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Official Formula 1 Thread (Part 8)
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Get Den Watts
25-05-2014
I wonder if Hamilton has got the dirt (and the tears) out of his eye. Happy-go-lucky Lewis lasted long, didn't it? No race win for the first time in a few races and he immediately turns into a big crybaby.
TVScourge
25-05-2014
Funny he got away with "cheating" when Michael Schumacher didn't get away with it in 2006.
jonner101
25-05-2014
Originally Posted by TVScourge:
“Funny he got away with "cheating" when Michael Schumacher didn't get away with it in 2006.”

It wasn't possible to prove it. Schumacher's was more blatant and even then I think they deliberated for 8 hours.

They also have to think about the level of interest, obviously it would have made for a much less interesting race if Rosberg had been put at the back of the pack.

Lack of class to be honest from both, especially from Rosberg though.

At least the sport has become a lot more interesting.
Justabloke
25-05-2014
Well a standard Monaco race... that is to say mostly tedious.

I don't mind if the championship see-saws backwards and forwards all season but if Louis does ultimately lose I really hope the difference isn't attributable to his DNF in Austrailia cos that would be a bummer, the only race that hasn't been a Mercedes one, two this season so far and that doesn't look like changing anytime soon.

I don't have strong opinions either way but I'd be pretty sulky if every dick with a microphone asked me the same basic question... "How are things with your teammate?" Rosberg was equally sulky when he was getting asked pretty much the same question after the last 4 races.

To the media, they're human there will be tensions! that's it, there is nothing more to the story so STFU and find something else to talk about.
Justabloke
25-05-2014
Originally Posted by Get Den Watts:
“I wonder if Hamilton has got the dirt (and the tears) out of his eye. Happy-go-lucky Lewis lasted long, didn't it? No race win for the first time in a few races and he immediately turns into a big crybaby.”

I wonder if you've ever driven a motorcycle or some other kind of open cockpit car?
I have done both and tiny bits of grit can and do make there way in the helmit and I fancy even with one eye shut Hamilton would still be a better racer than you.

Seriously, some of you people need to show a bit more respect for *all* the drivers. Even the back of the F1 grid are considerably better than pretty much everyone who's sitting behind a keyboard telling them how crap they are.
Si_Crewe
25-05-2014
Originally Posted by Fudd:
“Hamilton 'cheated' in Spain to stay in front of Rosberg by using a power button that the team specifically told him not use; especially as he turned around and said that Rosberg had the faster car. Brundle stated maybe Rosberg believes it's 1-1 between them in those stakes if he did pull a fast one during qualifying.”

I thought the story was that Hamilton ran the engine in a higher power mode in order to stay in front of Rosberg.

The team didn't want him to do that cos it takes more out of the engine, which has to survive another 2 or 3 races.

Personally, I dunno why Hamilton should be criticised for that. It's the driver's call as to what he does with all the stuff in his control.
Leinxus
25-05-2014
Originally Posted by Get Den Watts:
“I wonder if Hamilton has got the dirt (and the tears) out of his eye. Happy-go-lucky Lewis lasted long, didn't it? No race win for the first time in a few races and he immediately turns into a big crybaby.”

This would make more sense if he lost pole (and hence the race) fair and square.
dsweetenham
25-05-2014
All I keep thinking about today is 2007 except in this case Lewis is the outsider whilst Nico (new contract and all) is the favoured son (at least in Lewis' mind).

It was in Monaco when the relationship between Lewis and Fernando started to go downhill (when Lewis was told to hold station after the final stop). We all know how that ended up.

The relationship between Lewis and Nico already seems more toxic than it was at this stage in 2007, although I'm sure there will be some kiss and make up PR stuff before Montreal.

I just wonder if the odds on Lewis leaving and Alonso turning up at Brackley have just shortened even so slightly? It's a long shot but maybe not quite as long as it was on Friday.
shhftw
25-05-2014
It's obviously silly season still in F1.

Lewis Hamilton needs to stick to his earlier comment about letting his driving do the talking. I feel he will be back to winning ways in Canada. Monaco is a special case. The circumstances that came about wouldn't have come about anywhere else. The lack of capability to race also is unique, as is the one stop and high probability of a safety car.

Nico Rosberg made a mistake in qualifying, but I think he compounded it by reversing in the full knowledge he would guarantee yellow flags and also knowing LH was coming up behind in his fastest sector. We'll never know what race control would have done if NR had gone and parked to the side of the run-off, but I can say there is more than an even chance the yellows would still have been out.

I think LH needs to be a bit bigger here and accept his second place gracefully, no matter how much he feels he has been denied the opportunity to win.

It's true I think the strategy calls are not benefitting him in recent races. That's an observation and the rest is just latent frustration. The same can be said of Sebastian Vettel and he has ultimately learned to control his tongue today. I think demons could rise for LH if he doesn't change his mindset quickly.

I was applauding him for just coming straight out and saying he overslept on Thursday. I understood it was just the heat of the moment on Saturday, but today after the race he really should have been a bit bigger. It proves his supreme confidence is a bluff, and he had me fooled.

Head to heads have all gone LH's way - the deck was stacked today but by accident (and a little opportune cuteness from NR) than any grand design. LH's greatest threat to his WDC challenge comes from within.
dansus
25-05-2014
Quote:
“I may be wrong but I'm under the impression that all radio transmissions have to be in English.”

If so, someone forgot to tell Ferrari.
Fudd
25-05-2014
Originally Posted by Si_Crewe:
“I thought the story was that Hamilton ran the engine in a higher power mode in order to stay in front of Rosberg.

The team didn't want him to do that cos it takes more out of the engine, which has to survive another 2 or 3 races.

Personally, I dunno why Hamilton should be criticised for that. It's the driver's call as to what he does with all the stuff in his control.”

Brundle certainly presented it as underhand for some reason; maybe both Hamilton and Rosberg were told to run in lower power mode which would mean they would race with Rosberg having the upper hand - but one did and one didn't which resulted in Hamilton staying ahead. Hamilton then turned around and said Rosberg had the faster car when he didn't as Hamilton was running in higher power mode?

It was the way that Brundle said it than struck me as strange; as though Rosberg had reason to feel upset about it.
Si_Crewe
25-05-2014
Originally Posted by shhftw:
“I think LH needs to be a bit bigger here and accept his second place gracefully, no matter how much he feels he has been denied the opportunity to win.

It's true I think the strategy calls are not benefitting him in recent races. That's an observation and the rest is just latent frustration. The same can be said of Sebastian Vettel and he has ultimately learned to control his tongue today. I think demons could rise for LH if he doesn't change his mindset quickly.

I was applauding him for just coming straight out and saying he overslept on Thursday. I understood it was just the heat of the moment on Saturday, but today after the race he really should have been a bit bigger. It proves his supreme confidence is a bluff, and he had me fooled.”

See, I think the problem is just that when Hamilton "vents" he's always jumped on for whining.

Guys like, say, Raikkonen, Alonso and Vettel have all had their moments. In fact, pretty much every time one of Kimi's radio messages is broadcast it's cos he's getting shouty about something or other but, for some reason, when Lewis does the same thing it's considered to be "whining".

As I already said, I dunno if Rosberg genuinely is pretty-much silent on the radio or whether his messages just rarely get broadcast but I guess, if Hamilton wants to shake off his "whiney" reputation, he needs to learn to keep his mouth shut, like his team-mate.
Course, OTOH, I'm not sure many people really put a lot of stock in radio comm's made during the heat of a race.
Personally, one of the things I kinda like about Lewis is the way he says exactly what he's thinking at the time even though it does sometimes give people ammunition to use against him.
Baccattack
25-05-2014
Couldn't care what one another says. Just glad that given Mercedes dominance that we have two competitive drivers and not a Vettel/Webber situation. BTW looks like Vettel has inherited his former team mates bad luck this season.
shhftw
26-05-2014
Originally Posted by Si_Crewe:
“See, I think the problem is just that when Hamilton "vents" he's always jumped on for whining.

Guys like, say, Raikkonen, Alonso and Vettel have all had their moments. In fact, pretty much every time one of Kimi's radio messages is broadcast it's cos he's getting shouty about something or other but, for some reason, when Lewis does the same thing it's considered to be "whining".

As I already said, I dunno if Rosberg genuinely is pretty-much silent on the radio or whether his messages just rarely get broadcast but I guess, if Hamilton wants to shake off his "whiney" reputation, he needs to learn to keep his mouth shut, like his team-mate.
Course, OTOH, I'm not sure many people really put a lot of stock in radio comm's made during the heat of a race.
Personally, one of the things I kinda like about Lewis is the way he says exactly what he's thinking at the time even though it does sometimes give people ammunition to use against him.”

Exactly. Compare Thursday's LH "Yeah, I overslept" *smile*
TheToonArmy
26-05-2014
Originally Posted by Fudd:
“Brundle certainly presented it as underhand for some reason; maybe both Hamilton and Rosberg were told to run in lower power mode which would mean they would race with Rosberg having the upper hand - but one did and one didn't which resulted in Hamilton staying ahead. Hamilton then turned around and said Rosberg had the faster car when he didn't as Hamilton was running in higher power mode?

It was the way that Brundle said it than struck me as strange; as though Rosberg had reason to feel upset about it.”

It's a non story as usual, lewis did it in the last race and Rosberg in the race before, it was brought up in the press conference after the race.

Quote:
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Q: (Oana Popoiu - F1 Zone) I have a question for Lewis. Niki Lauda said that in Barcelona you used an engine mode you were told not to and you had to apologise to Nico for that. Do you think that that mode would have helped you win the race today?
LH: No… today we were using all the modes. In the last race it was a mode that didn’t really affect the outcome of the race. We were told that we had to stay in a certain mode. Nico did it in Bahrain and I did it in Barcelona. In this race we stuck to the strategies we had to stick.
NR: I don’t know what Niki is referring to but it’s completely normal that we switch modes together you know, we always do that in the races. It’s nothing unusual.
”

http://www.formula1.com/news/headlin...4/5/15886.html
Si_Crewe
26-05-2014
Originally Posted by TheToonArmy:
“It's a non story as usual, lewis did it in the last race and Rosberg in the race before, it was brought up in the press conference after the race.”

It's kinda funny when you think about it...

I mean, the whole thing about Rosberg "cheating", the stuff about Hamilton monkeying around with engine modes and the general bleating about their friendship/rivalry is all obviously complete and utter bollocks generated by people who have nothing better to earn money from saying and then repeated by people who choose to believe it.

But... It kinda makes you think back to when you were young and naive and you were listening to Murray Walker raving about the rivalry between, say, Fangio and Ascari, Hill and Moss, Hunt and Lauda or Piquet and Arnoux and it all did sound so believable back then.
When you were about 10.

I suppose it all just goes to show that hacks who need to produce something to fill the column-inches or broadcast slots have been doing the same thing for decades and there'll always be people who're prepared to buy into it all.
jmclaugh
26-05-2014
Usual sort of race at Monaco though it seems Rosberg has heeded the calls for him to be more ruthless though perhaps not in a way that was envisaged.
indiana44
26-05-2014
The problem with Lewis's 'whining' is that in my view, and clearly many others, it comes across as particularly immature and self centred / victimised.

I am sorry if some folk don't like that opinion, but it is an honest opinion and I have no interest in saying that I think something if I don't.
alanwarwic
26-05-2014
It comes with the territory of being a 'winner'. It is usually the human flaws that create the drive. It is the same for Vettel, Alonso, Hunt etc etc. etc


50/50 the Rosberg thing was pre-planned.
droogiefret
26-05-2014
I think Lewis sees this as 'his' year. But if he doesn't start acting with more maturity and Nico proves he can bring the championship home for Mercedes, Lewis risks his position in the team altogether.
Si_Crewe
26-05-2014
Originally Posted by indiana44:
“The problem with Lewis's 'whining' is that in my view, and clearly many others, it comes across as particularly immature and self centred / victimised.

I am sorry if some folk don't like that opinion, but it is an honest opinion and I have no interest in saying that I think something if I don't.”

Oh, I wouldn't grudge anybody that opinion.

For a guy who's so insistent that he doesn't play mind games, he's being awfully vocal about how he doesn't do it whereas, IMO, Rosberg is doing a much better job of it by just not saying much at all which is, in itself, a pretty substantial mind game, intentional or not.

Trouble with Lewis is, when he says "I'm gonna go out and kick his ass on track", when he doesn't do it he looks like a bit of a jerk.

I just think that it's one of those things where, once you've got a reputation as a "moaner", you probably never lose it even if you only make summat like one comment every couple of years.
Beyond that, I kinda wonder how important a lot of this stuff is to Hamilton, himself. Whether he really does let it all get to him or whether he just says what he's thinking at the time, moves on and then leaves it for everybody else to pontificate over.
indiana44
26-05-2014
Originally Posted by alanwarwic:
“It comes with the territory of being a 'winner'. It is usually the human flaws that create the drive. It is the same for Vettel, Alonso, Hunt etc etc. etc


50/50 the Rosberg thing was pre-planned.”


99 / 1, now that is taking conspiracy theories too far

When did Lewis become such a wonderful actor ?? Hollywood awaits.
Si_Crewe
26-05-2014
Originally Posted by indiana44:
“99 / 1, now that is taking conspiracy theories too far

When did Lewis become such a wonderful actor ?? Hollywood awaits.”

I think the implication was that it was 50/50 as to whether Rosberg planned to do it deliberately, rather than it being some major team conspiracy involving Hamilton.

Personally, I don't buy it at all.
Bear in mind that, until Spain, Rosberg was actually leading the championship so if that was the sort of thing that goes through his mind, surely he would've been willing to take both himself and Hamilton out to retain the championship in Bahrain or Spain?

TBH, the fact that Rosberg HAS played fair thus far should be something that Hamilton considers the next time he feels like whining about dastardly plots and "dealing with it like Senna would" etc.

Best way that Senna ever "dealt" with stuff was by going out and proving he was head & shoulders above every other driver around him, often in a sub-par car.
Hamilton should really focus on emulating that facet of "the way Senna dealt with stuff" IMO.
dansus
27-05-2014
So will Alonso go to Macca in 2015?

I say yes, he will have performance clauses in his contract and its sounding like hes had enough of the politics that comes with driving for Ferrari.

Whitmarsh is gone now, and dont think Dennis has much love for Button.
dansus
27-05-2014
Interesting views on Lewis from US F1 blog. Comments too..

http://www.formula1blog.com/f1b-op-e...re-colleagues/
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