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Official Formula 1 Thread (Part 8)
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mattlamb
10-06-2014
Did Max Chilton get a penalty?

If Perez has, I'd say he should do too
mattlamb
10-06-2014
Originally Posted by Si_Crewe:
“S'funny, I don't recall anybody complaining about it a few weeks ago, in Bahrain, and I don't recall either Hamilton or Rosberg getting a penalty for doing it either.

Course, maybe it only becomes an issue when there's a crash, in which case we're back in the position of being forced to consider that it's the guy behind who makes the crash happen.”

I've seen both Nico Rosberg and Lewis Hamilton changing direction in braking zone on several occasions.
Felipe Massa also does it pretty regularly.

Pretty rare for Fernando Alonso, Jenson Button, Kimi Raikkonen or Nico Hulkenberg to do it though
Tadpole
10-06-2014
Originally Posted by mattlamb:
“Did Max Chilton get a penalty?

If Perez has, I'd say he should do too”

Three place grid penalty for the next race
gomezz
10-06-2014
If drivers didn't change direction in the braking zone then they would never get round the corner. And just because the edge of the track happens to go one way that that doesn't mean it shows the direct and best route for a driver to take between corners.
Si_Crewe
11-06-2014
Originally Posted by Tadpole:
“Three place grid penalty for the next race”

I hear they're also going to force him to paint his car red and black for the next race too.
jmclaugh
11-06-2014
Originally Posted by Tadpole:
“Three place grid penalty for the next race”

So does that mean he'll start behind himself.
gomezz
11-06-2014
Or on the opposite side of the grid with an empty row between himself and the next car?
ACU
11-06-2014
Originally Posted by gomezz:
“Or on the opposite side of the grid with an empty row between himself and the next car?”

Since hes so far back, whilst the others will start the race in Austria, he will probably start in Hungary.
Si_Crewe
14-06-2014
Just been reading THIS.

Vettel criticised publicly, and by Oberfuhrer Marko, no less.
I guess the real message, there, is "We like you a lot but we aren't going to support you forever if the other guy is doing better than you".

That should keep DR's nuclear-powered smile going for a few days.
mattlamb
14-06-2014
Originally Posted by Si_Crewe:
“Just been reading THIS.

Vettel criticised publicly, and by Oberfuhrer Marko, no less.
I guess the real message, there, is "We like you a lot but we aren't going to support you forever if the other guy is doing better than you".

That should keep DR's nuclear-powered smile going for a few days. ”

They were very evenly matched in Canada, really
dansus
20-06-2014
What do we think of having sparks back?
Si_Crewe
20-06-2014
Lewis seems to be liking the Speilberg circuit.

Nice double-spin Vrom Vettel in P2. 10/10.
Tadpole
20-06-2014
Would love to see the sparks return. Not sure how it will work with the wooden plank being compulsory nowadays but I hope they can get it working. Hope some teams can reintroduce them without the need for massive changes to the constructors rules.
Tadpole
20-06-2014
Sergio Perez penalty appeal rejected, related to his accident with Massa in Montreal: Perez will still face a 5 position penalty this weekend.
Si_Crewe
21-06-2014
Just heard that, as of next year, after a safety-car lapped cars will unlap themselves, the cars will all stop on the grid in current race order and the race will be restarted.

Which utterly negates the reason for actually having the f**king safety-car in the first place, rather than just red-flagging the race and then restarting it.
And, of course, also negates any advantage leading drivers have over the rest of the field.

So, Hamilton, Rosberg or Vettel etc could be a lap and a half ahead, only to be beaten into 2nd place upon a restart after an SC or, more likely, a car could be leading by 10 seconds, pit for tyres and, due to a SC incident, end up half way down the grid for the restart.

In summary, dafuq?
allthingsuk
21-06-2014
Hamilton = Grade A bottler. He ain't winning no championship if he can't pull himself together.

But what a stunner from Williams! Massa! Great stuff

EDIT: Looking back, it looked like some sort of rear brake problem for Lewis. Just completely dropped it on the brakes.
davethecue
21-06-2014
Well that was a surprise !

Massa on pole and no time set from Hamilton in Q3
Si_Crewe
21-06-2014
Originally Posted by allthingsuk:
“Hamilton = Grade A bottler. He ain't winning no championship if he can't pull himself together.”

What makes you say that?

*EDIT*

While I'm at it, I'm not sure Bottas will be very pleased if he watches a replay of quali' later on.
He's on pole and there's no real reaction from anybody in the garage and then, when Massa beats him, everybody's leaping around, cheering.
Bottas needs to talk to Webber to get advice about being an unofficial #2.
allthingsuk
21-06-2014
Originally Posted by davethecue:
“Well that was a surprise !

Massa on pole and no time set from Hamilton in Q3”

Hamilton very much in the danger zone. If he gets into incident tomorrow, it could be 110% advantage Rosberg in the championship. Either way, Hamilton bottled it on his first flying lap for the first race in a row. For that, he has no one to blame but himself.
allthingsuk
21-06-2014
Originally Posted by Si_Crewe:
“What makes you say that? ”

He should have nailed the first lap. Whatever issues he may have had on his last lap, he shouldn't have lost it on the penultimate corner.

That way, he probably would have got a 1:08.4 or .5 and then if he had brake issues on his final lap, it wouldn't have mattered...he'd have still been on pole.

What I can't work out is if his spin was an error or a brake issue. I can't figure it out.

However, a Williams winning the race tomorrow (however unlikely that is if Rosberg doesn't run into problems) would be fantastic for me. Love to see Massa on the top step again
Si_Crewe
21-06-2014
Originally Posted by allthingsuk:
“He should have nailed the first lap. Whatever issues he may have had on his last lap, he shouldn't have lost it on the penultimate corner.

That way, he probably would have got a 1:08.4 or .5 and then if he had brake issues on his final lap, it wouldn't have mattered...he'd have still been on pole.”

How's that "bottling it"?

Certainly, the pragmatic thing to do would be to put in a "safe" lap and then push on the 2nd lap and the fact Lewis ran wide on his first lap suggests he was pushing too hard which'd be the exact opposite of "bottling it".

Course, perhaps whatever screwed up his 2nd lap had already started to manifest on his first lap and the car was handling badly on what was supposed to be a safe lap.

Having said that, I wouldn't be surprised to wake up tomorrow and find Hamilton at the back of the grid due to an engine/gearbox change.
allthingsuk
21-06-2014
Originally Posted by Si_Crewe:
“How's that "bottling it"?

Certainly, the pragmatic thing to do would be to put in a "safe" lap and then push on the 2nd lap and the fact Lewis ran wide on his first lap suggests he was pushing too hard which'd be the exact opposite of "bottling it".

Course, perhaps whatever screwed up his 2nd lap had already started to manifest on his first lap and the car was handling badly on what was supposed to be a safe lap.

Having said that, I wouldn't be surprised to wake up tomorrow and find Hamilton at the back of the grid due to an engine/gearbox change. ”

Exactly my point...maybe I didn't quite express myself in the right way, but yes, he should have got a banker in. He was 4 tenths up, didn't need to go for gold in that penultimate corner. Although to be fair, the Mercs' handling problems on the super softs were on both cars, as both of them were unable to put good laps together.

I just hope that Hamilton can push on from 10th, because I don't want his poor grid position to spiral into worse things e.g. getting tangled in an accident.

BIB - That may not be such a bad thing if Mercedes can maybe change the setup for lower downforce to overtake and there are loads of safety cars to bring him back into contention, and fresh tyres. The only problem is, these cars are twitchy enough with high downforce, let alone lower downforce.
Si_Crewe
21-06-2014
Anybody else notice Massa in the interview?

It looked like Rosberg was drinking from a bottle of water and leaned down to put it on the floor before answering questions but he seemed to bump against Massa and Massa pushed him away and then waved at him in a sort of "Whaddaya think you're doing?!" gesture.

I like to see Massa doing well but, geez, he needs to chill out a bit.
allthingsuk
21-06-2014
Originally Posted by Si_Crewe:
“Anybody else notice Massa in the interview?

It looked like Rosberg was drinking from a bottle of water and leaned down to put it on the floor before answering questions but he seemed to bump against Massa and Massa pushed him away and then waved at him in a sort of "Whaddaya think you're doing?!" gesture.

I like to see Massa doing well but, geez, he needs to chill out a bit.”

I do hope Massa doesn't lose his cool tomorrow. He's in a great position but he is prone to clumsy incidents. But the car is fast enough to challenge for a podium provided it doesn't chew up its rears.
Si_Crewe
21-06-2014
Originally Posted by allthingsuk:
“Exactly my point...maybe I didn't quite express myself in the right way, but yes, he should have got a banker in. He was 4 tenths up, didn't need to go for gold in that penultimate corner. Although to be fair, the Mercs' handling problems on the super softs were on both cars, as both of them were unable to put good laps together.”

True enough.
It wasn't poor tyre-heating that caused Hamilton's rear axle to lock up though.
I suppose turn 8 might've led to some drivers adjusting the brake-balance rearward to help steer around the corner but it's hard to believe that Hamilton would be that ham-fisted.
Judging by the way it just locked up solidly, something went completely wrong.

The evil leprechaun seemed quite twitchy in his interview too.
I wouldn't mind betting that's 'cos he wanted to get back to figuring out what happened to Hamilton's car.
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