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Official Formula 1 Thread (Part 8)
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allthingsuk
21-06-2014
Originally Posted by Si_Crewe:
“True enough.
It wasn't poor tyre-heating that caused Hamilton's rear axle to lock up though.
I suppose turn 8 might've led to some drivers adjusting the brake-balance rearward to help steer around the corner but it's hard to believe that Hamilton would be that ham-fisted.
Judging by the way it just locked up solidly, something went completely wrong.

The evil leprechaun seemed quite twitchy in his interview too.
I wouldn't mind betting that's 'cos he wanted to get back to figuring out what happened to Hamilton's car.”

Mercedes will confirm in due course whether it was a brake problem or not. If it was, that's pretty disastrous for Lewis, and it's something the team need to sort out.

The way he suddenly spun almost looked half like a suspension problem. Or it could have just been driver error. Very hard to tell.

But I do hope the brake issue is resolved, if it is an issue. Because 1 or 2 more DNF's could be pretty awful from a championship perspective.
crake
21-06-2014
Originally Posted by allthingsuk:
“But I do hope the brake issue is resolved, if it is an issue. Because 1 or 2 more DNF's could be pretty awful from a championship perspective.”

This is true. In 2008, Massa failed to finish 3 races to Hamilton's 1 and missed out on the title by just a point.
allthingsuk
21-06-2014
Originally Posted by crake:
“This is true. In 2008, Massa failed to finish 3 races to Hamilton's 1 and missed out on the title by just a point.”

Despite winning 1 more race than Hamilton I think. Just goes to show how much damage a DNF can do. But poor qualifying performances and uncharacteristic mistakes don't help at all.

And as an article on the Sky F1 website has said, these last two races, Hamilton has been the architect of his own downfall.
Baccattack
21-06-2014
Mercedes really made a horlicks of that qualifying session. Don't expect it will cost them too badly thought come the race provided Hamilton can avoid any carnage at the start. They've got fast cars (http://184.106.145.74/f1-championshi...edTrap_V01.pdf) and if previous races are anything to go by expect the Williams to a) chew up their tyres, b) get the strategy wrong, c) crash. Expect a Mercedes one-two with a Red Bull on the final step of the podium.
dazc
21-06-2014
Nice To See Massa On Pole Felt Sorry For Bottas Should Be A Cracker Tom
tonypennys
22-06-2014
Bet massa glad he got sunglasses on during that track parade
davethecue
22-06-2014
Great start from Hamilton

Up to 5th already not even half way round Lap 1
davethecue
22-06-2014
Make that 4th at the end of Lap 1


Edit Vettel stopped

EDIT 2 Vettel moving again but looks like he"s a lap down
zieler
22-06-2014
Hamilton screwed by a comparatively slow pitstop. It's like he never left Mclaren.
allthingsuk
22-06-2014
Hamilton's pitstops have been really very poor this afternoon.

Now that it's looking likely Rosberg will win the race, Hamilton will be cursing himself. Cocked up qualifying on his own, which is a shame as he's had the pace on Rosberg all weekend.

Unsure what to make of this race to be honest. Everyone seems close to one another but not much actual on-track overtaking going on. It all seems to be in the pitstops. It's like going back to the refuelling era.

EDIT: Well done Nico. You get the feeling it's Rosberg with the head of steam and it will be a huge test of Hamilton's character whether he can halt this slide. And to be honest, I don't think he's up to it, judging from the errors I've seen from him after the Spanish GP. As Brundle said, Nico has got all the attributes he needs to be WC. That, and a little bit of luck.

Shame the Williamses dropped off. They could have given Merc a tougher time...they should have responded to Rosberg in the first stint. Massa will be extremely disappointed. Fantastic for Bottas though, excellent drive. I suspect the next race where Williams might be able to give the Mercs a tough time is probably Hungary. Tight and twisty, and their short gears will help them a lot.
Fudd
22-06-2014
Williams gifted that to Mercedes. Appalling strategy.
allthingsuk
22-06-2014
Originally Posted by Fudd:
“Williams gifted that to Mercedes. Appalling strategy.”

They could have pressured them for the win a lot more. They were way off the ball this afternoon, and yet again, the Mercs get away scot free despite having issues.
Iqbal_M
22-06-2014
Originally Posted by Fudd:
“Williams gifted that to Mercedes. Appalling strategy.”

But you have to remember Williams main target every race this year is just to bag as many points as possible. Yes, wins would be great, but it is not their main aim. After all, compared to last year Williams are having a fantastic year (so far).
d'@ve
22-06-2014
Originally Posted by allthingsuk:
“Hamilton's pitstops have been really very poor this afternoon.

Now that it's looking likely Rosberg will win the race, Hamilton will be cursing himself. Cocked up qualifying on his own, which is a shame as he's had the pace on Rosberg all weekend.

Unsure what to make of this race to be honest. Everyone seems close to one another but not much actual on-track overtaking going on. It all seems to be in the pitstops. It's like going back to the refuelling era.

EDIT: Well done Nico. You get the feeling it's Rosberg with the head of steam and it will be a huge test of Hamilton's character whether he can halt this slide. And to be honest, I don't think he's up to it, judging from the errors I've seen from him after the Spanish GP. As Brundle said, Nico has got all the attributes he needs to be WC. That, and a little bit of luck.”

Rosberg will likely win the championship by default (due to Hamilton's no-fault DNFs). And/or poor pitstops, it would be interesting to see a table of their pitstop times for all the races to date.

It could even out over the season of course, time will tell.
crake
22-06-2014
Originally Posted by d'@ve:
“Rosberg will likely win the championship by default (due to Hamilton's no-fault DNFs). And/or poor pitstops, it would be interesting to see a table of their pitstop times for all the races to date.”

The pitstop only cost Hamilton about 1 second (he was allowed the undercut as well which never happens when Rosberg is behind Hamilton). The truth is, Hamilton just wasn't significantly faster. He seemed to have a small edge which allowed him to close the gap, but he didn't even attempt to overtake.
Rodney McKay
22-06-2014
Originally Posted by Iqbal_M:
“But you have to remember Williams main target every race this year is just to bag as many points as possible. Yes, wins would be great, but it is not their main aim. After all, compared to last year Williams are having a fantastic year (so far).”

Spot on. Williams knew they couldn't win but wanted to get both cars as far up as possible, delaying their pit stops just made sure that at the end they still had decent tyres in case they needed to defend their positions on track.

I also understand Rob Smedley spoke to Massa over the radio telling him well done for obeying team orders not to go after his team mate and risk breaking both cars near the end.
crake
23-06-2014
Originally Posted by allthingsuk:
“Mercedes will confirm in due course whether it was a brake problem or not. If it was, that's pretty disastrous for Lewis, and it's something the team need to sort out.

The way he suddenly spun almost looked half like a suspension problem. Or it could have just been driver error. Very hard to tell.

But I do hope the brake issue is resolved, if it is an issue. Because 1 or 2 more DNF's could be pretty awful from a championship perspective.”

This is what the BBC are saying about the qualifying incident:

Quote:
“Hamilton was definitely partly to blame - he braked eight metres later on that lap than he had on any other that weekend and the rear wheels locked. Hamilton took the blame, but it was not quite as simple as that.

Just at that point, the car hit one of the bumps on the Red Bull Ring that are caused by the truck racing that takes place there. The rear wheels lifted off the ground, taking the load off the rear axle, at the same time Hamilton shifted down, which locked the rear wheels, sending him into a spin.

"I'd hesitate to call it a mistake," a Mercedes engineer said. "It was just a really unfortunate combination of circumstances."”

ACU
23-06-2014
Originally Posted by crake:
“This is what the BBC are saying about the qualifying incident:”

Thanks for confirming its Hamiltons fault.

I dont buy into the conspiracy theory that Merc are screwing up Hamilton's pitstops on purpose. For all we know Hamilton probably over/undershoot his marks in the pit stops. Merc do have markings on the ground, so they will be able to tell if a driver under/overshot their marks. These kind of things sort themselves out over a season. Was it the 2nd or 3rd race of the season, where Rosbergs stops were slower?

Another great race from Nico, he does seem to be growing as a driver this year. Hes beaten Hamilton in the mind games department, and now hes beating him on the track. He seemed to be fairly comfortable during the race, and wasnt really pressured by anyone. Vettels season just seems to be getting worse and worse. Hes given a car, that he isnt quite able to get the most out of. Not helped by the fact that its a very different car from last year.

It wasnt the most exciting of races, but then again non of them are this year. This was better than some of the others.
Woodentop
23-06-2014
F1 is so dull and uninteresting now. So what if the Mercedes drivers have issues, it doesn't affect the outcome. It's becoming hard to bear and watch.
DJ Jimmy
23-06-2014
Originally Posted by Woodentop:
“F1 is so dull and uninteresting now. So what if the Mercedes drivers have issues, it doesn't affect the outcome. It's becoming hard to bear and watch.”

Sad but true. Which is a shame considering the nice battles behind Mercedes between Force India / Williams, Red Bull, Ferrari and sometimes McLaren.
dansus
24-06-2014
Originally Posted by Woodentop:
“F1 is so dull and uninteresting now. So what if the Mercedes drivers have issues, it doesn't affect the outcome. It's becoming hard to bear and watch.”

Loved almost every minute of it so far, theres been plenty going on and title battle is just hotting up.

Cars are loose, engines are hand grenades, Ricciardo is spanking Vettel, we have a Prost vs Senna thing going on and Williams are back.

dee_eff
24-06-2014
Originally Posted by DJ Jimmy:
“Sad but true. Which is a shame considering the nice battles behind Mercedes between Force India / Williams, Red Bull, Ferrari and sometimes McLaren.”

Agreed, every silver lining has it's cloud
soulboy77
27-06-2014
Not a fan of the plan to introduce standing re-starts after a safety car period. The race leader can be further dis-advantaged after losing the gap they have earned and built up. Plus it can't be good for the car engines at the front, waiting for the back markers to line up on the grid.
dansus
27-06-2014
Changes are afoot at Caterham, new owners announced soon.
bingoman
27-06-2014
Originally Posted by dansus:
“Changes are afoot at Caterham, new owners announced soon.”

Any Ideas I think the new owners could well be the new team entering next year is Romainian
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