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Official Formula 1 Thread (Part 8)
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Si_Crewe
24-08-2014
Originally Posted by Fudd:
“No, they'll stop the drivers from racing each other to prevent the crowd from booing the drivers if they make an error.”

Not sure any team (other than Ferrari) have ever had a flat-out "Don't overtake the guy who starts ahead" order.
At best, it's usually a case of "no overtaking after the last pit-stop".
Fudd
24-08-2014
Have both Hamilton and Rosberg signed contracts for next season yet?
Si_Crewe
24-08-2014
Originally Posted by Fudd:
“Have both Hamilton and Rosberg signed contracts for next season yet?”

More to the point, I wonder if either of them have a clause in their contact which says they'll accept team-orders?
d'@ve
24-08-2014
So...

If Mercedes manage to finish 1-2 in every remaining race (unlikely I know, but if):

Hamilton needs to win 6 out of the remaining 7 races, including the last 'double points' race.

Ain't gonna happen. He's stuffed unless Rosberg fails to finish or has serious mechanical issues - and he knows it. Hamilton may need to do a Schumacher (henceforth known as a 'Rosberg').
indiana44
24-08-2014
Originally Posted by d'@ve:
“So...

If Mercedes manage to finish 1-2 in every remaining race (unlikely I know, but if):

Hamilton needs to win 6 out of the remaining 7 races, including the last 'double points' race.

Ain't gonna happen. He's stuffed unless Rosberg fails to finish - and he knows it.”

Would be so unfortunate if Rosberg had a DNF in the final race
Si_Crewe
24-08-2014
Originally Posted by d'@ve:
“So...

If Mercedes manage to finish 1-2 in every remaining race (unlikely I know, but if):

Hamilton needs to win 6 out of the remaining 7 races, including the last 'double points' race.

Ain't gonna happen. He's stuffed unless Rosberg fails to finish or has serious mechanical issues - and he knows it.”

Uhuh.

The math's is pretty unequivocal.

There's 7 points difference between 1st and 2nd place so, with a 29 point lead, it's gonna take Hamilton 5 wins just to recover the deficit.
One DNF sets you back by, effectively, 4 races.

All assuming "best-case" one-two finishes, of course.
d'@ve
24-08-2014
Just to highlight what I edited in at the end: Hamilton may need to do a Schumacher (henceforth known as a 'Rosberg').
crake
24-08-2014
Originally Posted by d'@ve:
“Just to highlight what I edited in at the end: Hamilton may need to do a Schumacher (henceforth known as a 'Rosberg').”

Drive quicker?
Si_Crewe
24-08-2014
Originally Posted by d'@ve:
“Just to highlight what I edited in at the end: Hamilton may need to do a Schumacher (henceforth known as a 'Rosberg').”

I think Hamilton already tried something like that in quali' at Silverstone and it just made him look like a bit of a nobber.

All Hamilton needs is a reliable car underneath him and then it's up to him not to screw up and get himself into situations where he can out-race Rosberg, which he should be able to do.

I'd much rather Hamilton came 2nd with honour rather than winning by being shifty and I kinda think Lewis would feel the same way too.
crake
24-08-2014
People here are really making a lot out of the smallest of errors (which, of course, is all it takes in F1). If drivers are going to race wheel to wheel, this can happen. You can't just say team mates should be able to race when Hamilton is behind!
SaddlerSteve
24-08-2014
I think Rosberg was an idiot for what he did but I don't think it was deliberate. I think after Hamilton got ahead of him at the start he panicked and tried to get back ahead with a desperate move.
d'@ve
24-08-2014
Originally Posted by crake:
“Drive quicker?”

He already does that, as you will see if you re-work the points table without the mechanicals or crashes that have been acknowledged not to be Hamilton's or Rosberg's fault.

Originally Posted by Si_Crewe:
“I think Hamilton already tried something like that in quali' at Silverstone and it just made him look like a bit of a nobber.

All Hamilton needs is a reliable car underneath him and then it's up to him not to screw up and get himself into situations where he can out-race Rosberg, which he should be able to do.

I'd much rather Hamilton came 2nd with honour rather than winning by being shifty and I kinda think Lewis would feel the same way too.”

Yes, and of course, he can't do a Schumacher because you have to be leading in the championship to make it work effectively.

I'm not claiming that Rosberg is necessarily doing it deliberately but you can (and he did) afford to take unacceptable risks when you have a lead in the championship with races starting to run out.
BinaryDad
24-08-2014
Originally Posted by crake:
“People here are really making a lot out of the smallest of errors (which, of course, is all it takes in F1). If drivers are going to race wheel to wheel, this can happen. You can't just say team mates should be able to race when Hamilton is behind!”

There's racing and there's bolloxing it up in the manner that Rosberg did. Had Lewis been in that position, I doubt he would have kept to that line on the outside. I would have expected him to drop back and follow, or cut across behind and take a different line altogether since the guy in front has already compromised his while defending.

Nico did get a good run, but that doesn't entitle him to hang on to that run when it hasn't worked out and hit the car in front.

And now we have Rosberg claiming he didn't see what happened, only to go on and explain his side of it. Then he has a whinge at the British media and fans who he reckons are "trying to make him look bad". What a colossal prat he's being.

He could just admit he flubbed it and there's be nothing more to say.
crake
24-08-2014
Originally Posted by d'@ve:
“He already does that, as you will see if you re-work the points table without the mechanicals or crashes that have been acknowledged not to be Hamilton's or Rosberg's fault.”

Sometimes Hamilton is quicker, sometimes Rosberg. They are a lot closer in speed that the Hamilton fans would like to admit. See Rosberg taking pole (again) yesterday. And, if anything, it seems to be Rosberg that is gaining as the season goes on.

But we'll see how it all turns out.
Si_Crewe
24-08-2014
Originally Posted by d'@ve:
“Yes, and of course, he can't do a Schumacher because you have to be leading in the championship to make it work effectively.

I'm not claiming that Rosberg is necessarily doing it deliberately but you can (and he did) afford to take unacceptable risks when you have a lead in the championship with races starting to run out.”

Well, on the bright side, Rosberg can only afford to take both himself and Hamilton out three times this year before he hands the lead to Ricciardo.
Si_Crewe
24-08-2014
Ho hum...

BBC muttering about how Hamilton had "given up" during this race while, apparently, ignoring the fact that Hamilton had already realised that he didn't have the pace to pass the mid-field cars, even if there was a SC to bunch the field up again.

That would seem to be two races in a row where Hamilton (a guy who seems to have a reputation for not being a thinker) appears to have a better grasp of what's going on than the guys in the garage who're sitting in front of computers.
Stunty
24-08-2014
Originally Posted by Si_Crewe:
“Bit worried about this sudden "This is totally unacceptable" rhetoric.

So, Rosberg's got a 30 point lead and now they're gonna tell the drivers not to fight with each other?
Convenient.... for Rosberg.”

During the BBC race commentary they did mention that Toto Wolff and Niki Lauda went out through the back of their garage to have a chat, at which point the pit guy said he would stick around with his microphone switched on!!

I can only presume that they were discussing their joint opinion and wording of any interview they may give, which was the 'it is totally unacceptable' line.

Looking and hearing the reaction and body language, Toto always seems a tad more pleased when Nico wins a race to when Lewis wins. Due to the fact that Nico is ahead in the championship, and that he 'survived' the skirmish with Lewis today, I can see why both Lauda and he came out with the vociferous line that they did ....... at least to keep the equalibrium, and impartiality as regards PR is concerned, irrespective of their personal allegiances.
Si_Crewe
24-08-2014
Originally Posted by Stunty:
“Looking and hearing the reaction and body language, Toto always seems a tad more pleased when Nico wins a race to when Lewis wins. Due to the fact that Nico is ahead in the championship, and that he 'survived' the skirmish with Lewis today, I can see why both Lauda and he came out with the line that they did ....... at least to keep the equalibrium, and impartiality as regards PR is converned, irrespective of their personal allegiances.”

Yeah, I kinda wonder about that myself.

Lauda, in particular, was pretty scathing of Hamilton in the past but it seems like he's usually "championing" Lewis these days.
I wouldn't be surprised if somebody at Merc' has decided that there needs to be some psychological support going on.
TheToonArmy
24-08-2014
Magnusson handed 20sec penalty, falls to 12th
Si_Crewe
24-08-2014
Originally Posted by TheToonArmy:
“Magnusson handed 20sec penalty, falls to 12th”

And, more importantly, Suzi Perry put on a chunky over-shirt before doing the ice-bucket thing.

Disappointment all around.
Fudd
24-08-2014
I'm surprised there's been a clear pro-Hamilton, anti-Rosberg view declared by the team after the incident. Most of the time the teams deal with all of that behind closed doors. If I was Rosberg, while I'd be admitting the mistake I'd be fuming that the lack of public support before the debrief - even if it was a no comment.
Si_Crewe
24-08-2014
Originally Posted by Fudd:
“I'm surprised there's been a clear pro-Hamilton, anti-Rosberg view declared by the team after the incident. Most of the time the teams deal with all of that behind closed doors. If I was Rosberg, while I'd be admitting the mistake I'd be fuming that the lack of public support before the debrief - even if it was a no comment.”

I guess they're just unambiguously pissed-off that one of their drivers took the other one out of the race.

Big surprise, eh?
Smufter
24-08-2014
Originally Posted by Old Endeavour:
“Certainly a debrief that I would love to listen too! ”


What. Suzi Perry's???


Why did I want to throw a brick through the telly when Jordan was talking after the race?
The bloke is a muppet
dansus
24-08-2014
Meh, if you let team mates race as Merc have done, then your going to get incidents like this happen from time to time.

Wasnt the smartest move by Rosberg to try round the outside when your that far back, but then he never was that great at wheel to wheel stuff. Look at Alonso, absolutely brilliant watching him from the onboard through the turn 5 complex onwards, and shows how it should be done.

Toto saying team orders will be applied from now on.
dansus
24-08-2014
Another great drive from Ricciardo, hes someone you can get behind and support, always positive and just happy to be there. Frankly i hope he beats the pair of em the championship.

Lot of respect for Vettels drive too, wasnt sure about his wheel to wheel prowess but today showed hes got some moves.
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