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Official Formula 1 Thread (Part 8)
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Si_Crewe
24-08-2014
Originally Posted by dansus:
“I remember a certain Mr Senna De Silva doing the same thing. More than once.. Thats racing.”

Senna did plenty of dubious things which, I'm sure we'd probably agree, went beyond "racing".
Fudd
24-08-2014
I think Rosberg tried to brake and understeered into Hamilton. If he hadn't understeered he would have fell behind Hamilton; instead he twitched into him. A couple of the pundits said that Rosberg may think that Hamilton hadn't left him enough room though Hamilton just stuck to the racing line.
Fudd
24-08-2014
Originally Posted by BinaryDad:
“Latest info





So Merc have pretty much thrown Nico to the wolves by backing up Hamilton's quote so readily.”

So... did Rosberg do it deliberately or is he blaming Hamilton?

And Lauda was mouthing off before the podium interview with Rosberg.
Si_Crewe
24-08-2014
Originally Posted by Fudd:
“I think Rosberg tried to brake and understeered into Hamilton. If he hadn't understeered he would have fell behind Hamilton; instead he twitched into him. A couple of the pundits said that Rosberg may think that Hamilton hadn't left him enough room though Hamilton just stuck to the racing line.”

Must admit, I kinda thought Rosberg was trying to cut back inside Hamilton but just misjudged it.

Certainly seemed like a deliberate move rather than a correction but I wouldn't say he deliberately swerved into Hamilton.
BinaryDad
24-08-2014
Originally Posted by Fudd:
“So... did Rosberg do it deliberately or is he blaming Hamilton?

And Lauda was mouthing off before the podium interview with Rosberg.”

Can't he do both? It's a typical thing when somebody is caught doing something wrong and they feel aggrieved; first they start off blaming the other person and the just say "sod it, what have I to lose here?".

To add some context; it could be that Nico just feels that he's being pushed around by Lewis when it comes to passing and kept his car there to see what would happen. Which is still a crappy thing to do. If Rosberg doesn't like being pushed around when he tries to pass, then perhaps he needs to develop more passing skills.
Forza Ferrari
24-08-2014
Originally Posted by dansus:
“http://www.crash.net/f1/news/207980/...iberately.html

Lewis stretching the truth a bit, according to reports, he didnt hit him on purpose but left his car there to see what Lewis would do.”

In general I don't attribute crash net to much credibility. Curious that in the same article Hamilton reports Rosberg admitting hitting Hamilton on purpose and Rosberg saying the contact was Hamilton's fault. Which actually was it? Hamilton hasn't got his story straight there.

The whole thing is a storm in a tea cup. Hamilton ignores team orders which were a clear tactical benefit to the team at a previous GP so Rosberg has to force the issue on track. A rattional assessment makes it clear that Rosberg pulled out of the move only slightly not enough. He won't want to break his front wing but with close racing these things can happen.

I a quite sure that in the rule about overtacking there is a clarification the for the avoidance of doubts a significant part of the car shall defined as any part of the front wing. Also on other occasions when Hamilton crashed with another car he has admitted not knowing the other car was there at all. So he has a track record of poor race craft in these situations. Lets not get in to Hamilton's previous for lieing about other competitors but its hard to forget he is not above it especially if he thinks it will be to his benefit.

I thought skys level of journalisum was terrible. Putting all their effort and bile in to vilifying Rosberg. Eddie Jordan did a good job calling out the nasty element in the crowd and getting Rosberg the respect he deserves.

The whole UK reaction and a return to booing during the podium (like silverstone 2013) is out of proportion and really quite disgusting.
Fudd
24-08-2014
Originally Posted by BinaryDad:
“Can't he do both? It's a typical thing when somebody is caught doing something wrong and they feel aggrieved; first they start off blaming the other person and the just say "sod it, what have I to lose here?".

To add some context; it could be that Nico just feels that he's being pushed around by Lewis when it comes to passing and kept his car there to see what would happen. Which is still a crappy thing to do. If Rosberg doesn't like being pushed around when he tries to pass, then perhaps he needs to develop more passing skills.”

Possibly, it may have become volatile after Rosberg said it was Hamilton's fault and spiralled out of control.

One thing is for sure - Mercedes have lost control now. How are they going to get it back?
ustarion
24-08-2014
What would be the next best team for Hamilton to move to?
Rodney McKay
24-08-2014
Being reported on BBC that Rosberg did hit Hamilton on purpose.

If that is the case Mercedes need to take action.
d'@ve
24-08-2014
Originally Posted by Fudd:
“I think Rosberg tried to brake and understeered into Hamilton. If he hadn't understeered he would have fell behind Hamilton; instead he twitched into him. A couple of the pundits said that Rosberg may think that Hamilton hadn't left him enough room though Hamilton just stuck to the racing line.”

Rosberg turned into Hamilton when he was still in the middle of the track, or at least a car's width from the edge. He had plenty of room, a very slight easing off on the accelerator would have left him well clear of a collision and safe on the track, in a place where he couldn't overtake. It was either deliberate or recklessly "who cares?" rookie careless.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/formula1/28921431 @ 1m:00s
Rodney McKay
24-08-2014
Originally Posted by ustarion:
“What would be the next best team for Hamilton to move to?”

Ferrari could afford his wages but he might end up with a dog of a car.
Fudd
24-08-2014
Originally Posted by d'@ve:
“Rosberg turned into Hamilton when he was still in the middle fo the track, or at least a car's width from the edge. He had plenty of room, a very slight easing off on the accelerator would have left him well clear of a collision and safe on the track. It was deliberate.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/formula1/28921431 @ 1m:00s”

I think he was braking for the corner and understeered rather than turning in at full speed for no reason.
d'@ve
24-08-2014
Originally Posted by Fudd:
“I think he was braking for the corner and understeered rather than turning in at full speed for no reason.”

They were coming out of the corner when he turned in.

Also:

Quote:
“"He said he could have avoided it, but he didn't want to. He basically said, 'I did it to prove a point'."

Hamilton said he was "gobsmacked" by Rosberg's admission. "He just came in there and said it was my fault," added Hamilton, who returned to the race after having his left rear tyre replaced only to quit with just a few laps remaining.

Rosberg has yet to react to Hamilton's claims but a Mercedes spokesman confirmed Hamilton had accurately represented what the German had said. ”

Fudd
24-08-2014
Originally Posted by ustarion:
“What would be the next best team for Hamilton to move to?”

Red Bull but I can't see them dropping either Vetted or Riccardo. Then Williams but I don't think they'll be able to afford him.
tonypennys
24-08-2014
Sky sports still very instant on riccardo winning 3 races in a row and 4 this season
indiana44
24-08-2014
Put his car ( and Lewis's ) in a compromising position to see what Lewis would do ? - fairly unacceptable.

Hit Lewis on purpose ? - totally unacceptable.

Looks like it's narrowing down and Toto and Niki ( if a bit prematurely ) were right with the "unacceptable".

I still find it difficult to believe it was the second scenario, but whatever it is going to be fascinating where things go from here.
Gary_LandyFan
24-08-2014
Originally Posted by dansus:
“http://www.crash.net/f1/news/207980/...iberately.html

Lewis stretching the truth a bit, according to reports, he didnt hit him on purpose but left his car there to see what Lewis would do.”

So you could say he purposely failed to avoid an accident then.

Originally Posted by BinaryDad:
“So Merc have pretty much thrown Nico to the wolves by backing up Hamilton's quote so readily.”

The way Merc are reacting seems to me at least, that things are all that great at Mercedes, and behind closed doors it is very bitter between Lewis and Nico.

Originally Posted by Si_Crewe:
“Must admit, I kinda thought Rosberg was trying to cut back inside Hamilton but just misjudged it.

Certainly seemed like a deliberate move rather than a correction but I wouldn't say he deliberately swerved into Hamilton.”

Same here. Unfortunate, but a mistake from Nico.
Fudd
24-08-2014
Originally Posted by d'@ve:
“They were coming out of the corner when he turned in.

Also:”

And entering another corner.
TheToonArmy
24-08-2014
If he really did admit to causing it/not avoiding it then we do have to re-examine Monaco again.
surfie
24-08-2014
Originally Posted by Fudd:
“Red Bull but I can't see them dropping either Vetted or Riccardo. Then Williams but I don't think they'll be able to afford him.”

Vettel in a Mercedes. I think Vettel would be pushing for it if he had the opportunity, and so would Mercedes being a German team.

That would open the door up for Hamilton to move the other way to Red Bull, that is unless Ron Dennis comes knocking at the door for Hamilton to return to McLaren given they will have Honda engines next year.
Gary_LandyFan
24-08-2014
Originally Posted by Fudd:
“And entering another corner.”

At the point of contact Nico had more than a car's width...
http://s29.postimg.org/enqk07g3b/Untitled.png

This whole thing about Lewis supposedly not giving him space is bull. Nico had space and chose to not avoid contact.
Fudd
24-08-2014
Originally Posted by surfie:
“Vettel in a Mercedes. I think Vettel would be pushing for it if he had the opportunity, and so would Mercedes being a German team.

That would open the door up for Hamilton to move the other way to Red Bull, that is unless Ron Dennis comes knocking at the door for Hamilton to return to McLaren given they will have Honda engines next year.”

Neither Hamilton, Rosberg or Vettel are team players. They don't like a World Championship challenge from within the team (and to be fair the majority of world champions are/were like this). They'd prefer someone like Barrichello or Massa at Ferrari where the other teammate is decent but a clear number two.

Originally Posted by Gary_LandyFan:
“At the point of contact Nico had more than a car's width...
http://s29.postimg.org/enqk07g3b/Untitled.png

This whole thing about Lewis supposedly not giving him space is bull. Nico had space and chose to not avoid contact.”

I agree with you it was Rosberg's fault. I'm astonished how a racing incident (as it seemed at the time) has blown up to this level.
bhoy07
24-08-2014
Seems to me now that Rosberg knows what he done and doesn't care, the team knows and are angry but won't punish him for it because he is leading the championship.

If there is any justice come the end of the season, Hamilton will win the championship in Abu Dhabi.
Gary_LandyFan
24-08-2014
Originally Posted by Fudd:
“I agree with you it was Rosberg's fault. I'm astonished how a racing incident (as it seemed at the time) has blown up to this level.”

People's hysterical opinions of Lewis, both or and against don't help, and then both Toto's and Niki's comments after the race have blown this all out of proportion.

As I said earlier there must me more to this story than we know about.
D_Peugeot
24-08-2014
So Hamilton has now been shown to be lying about Rosberg's claims he did it deliberately.
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