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So Hamilton has now been shown to be lying about Rosberg's claims he did it deliberately.
There's not a lot of difference between causing an accident and not bothering to avoid one. In the first you create the opportunity and in the latter, you use an opportunity that presents itself. After all...Wolff and Lowe did state that Hamilton's comments were an accurate representation of what had been said. |
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People's hysterical opinions of Lewis, both or and against don't help, and then both Toto's and Niki's comments after the race have blown this all out of proportion.
As I said earlier there must me more to this story than we know about. |
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Maybe the Mercedes PR team is on holiday; their handling of it has been little short of disastrous. Why did Lauda and Wolff speak out before talking properly to Rosberg? Why was Hamilton allowed to reveal what happened in the debrief in such a forthright way? Why did Mercedes seem to back him up without any clarifying comments? Normally the team tries to calm everything down in situations like this - in this case they've stirred it up further.
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Not at all.
There's not a lot of difference between causing an accident and not bothering to avoid one. In the first you create the opportunity and in the latter, you use an opportunity that presents itself. After all...Wolff and Lowe did state that Hamilton's comments were an accurate representation of what had been said. http://www.espn.co.uk/belgium/motors...ry/172425.html |
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#5255 |
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The truth will out and Rosberg is a dirty little cheat.
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Erm, have you read Wolff's comments? Either Hamilton has lied, or has deliberately misinterpreted Rosberg's comments.
http://www.espn.co.uk/belgium/motors...ry/172425.html |
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Not at all.
There's not a lot of difference between causing an accident and not bothering to avoid one. In the first you create the opportunity and in the latter, you use an opportunity that presents itself. After all...Wolff and Lowe did state that Hamilton's comments were an accurate representation of what had been said. |
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And entering another corner.
Whether or not any understeer occurred (and I haven't seen or heard any official or the media suggest that) is beside the point. |
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Hamilton is hardly holier than thou on the track. Winners in Formula One tend to have a nasty streak in them to say the very least. It's how the teams deal with this streak that is key.
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Yup, read it. It still doesn't really explain Merc's earlier comments, eh?
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Yup, read it. It still doesn't really explain Merc's earlier comments, eh?
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Hamilton can be hot-headed but I haven't seen anything to convince me that he would CHEAT on his way to a World Title
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[quote=Fudd;74428700]Neither Hamilton, Rosberg or Vettel are team players. They don't like a World Championship challenge from within the team (and to be fair the majority of world champions are/were like this). They'd prefer someone like Barrichello or Massa at Ferrari where the other teammate is decent but a clear number two.
You'll find the Constructors Title means far more to a team than the Drivers Title, so having two top drivers makes sense, it's the way you deal with those drivers. Mercedes need to lay down the law to both Nico and Lewis, telling them if they step out of line they are dropped for a few races. With a dominant team that is doable, especially if that team has a commanding lead in the Constructors titles as it will harm the driver more than the team. |
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Hamilton can be hot-headed but I haven't seen anything to convince me that he would CHEAT on his way to a World Title
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Erm, have you read Wolff's comments? Either Hamilton has lied, or has deliberately misinterpreted Rosberg's comments.
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"We just had a meeting about it and he basically said he did it on purpose. He said he could have avoided it, but he didn't want to. He basically said, 'I did it to prove a point.. He just came in there and said it was my fault." Wolff:http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/formula1/28921431 Quote:
"Nico felt he needed to hold his line [in the corner]. He needed to make a point, and for Lewis, it was clearly not him who needed to be aware of Nico. He [Rosberg] didn't give in. He thought it was for Lewis to leave him space, and that Lewis didn't leave him space.
"So they agreed to disagree in a very heated discussion amongst ourselves, but it wasn't deliberately crashing. That is nonsense. It was deliberately taking into account that if Lewis moves or would open then it could end up in a crash. "What we saw there was that Nico was not prepared to take the exit, and that caused the collision. That is not something we want to happen." Read more at http://en.espnf1.com/belgium/motorsp...Au4CO0m5F7C.99 |
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http://m.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/115558
It sounds like Hamilton has been lying again. Sad really. |
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Maybe the Mercedes PR team is on holiday; their handling of this has been little short of disastrous. Why did Lauda and Wolff speak out before talking properly to Rosberg? Why was Hamilton allowed to reveal what happened in the debrief in such a forthright way? Why did Mercedes seem to back him up without any clarifying comments? Normally the team tries to calm everything down in situations like this - in this case they've stirred it up further. If Rosberg wasn't in 'sod it' mood before he will be now.
Still very surprised by such a quite unprecedented undisguised immediate criticism of a driver from his team. |
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Errr, Australian grand prix 2009.
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Australia 2009?
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I wonder if Hamilton had won the race, or finished on the podium he'd have been so eager to smear his team mate.
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Hamilton can be hot-headed but I haven't seen anything to convince me that he would CHEAT on his way to a World Title
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That was bad advice from his team.
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He cheated.
Rosberg deliberately cheats on the track. There is a difference. He may win the battle but he is unlikely to win the war. |
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That was bad advice from his team.
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It struck me that there had to be quite a lot of previous within the team, and already some real issues with Nico. Monaco ?
Still very surprised by such a quite unprecedented undisguised immediate criticism of a driver from his team. Hamilton also commented that he was astonished that Rosberg's bitterness over Hungary still existed now so he must have been stewing on it throughout the break. |
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Under instruction from his team.
Rosberg deliberately cheats on the track. There is a difference. He may win the battle but he is unlikely to win the war. |
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