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Official Formula 1 Thread (Part 8)
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BinaryDad
24-08-2014
Originally Posted by D_Peugeot:
“So Hamilton has now been shown to be lying about Rosberg's claims he did it deliberately.”

Not at all.

There's not a lot of difference between causing an accident and not bothering to avoid one. In the first you create the opportunity and in the latter, you use an opportunity that presents itself.

After all...Wolff and Lowe did state that Hamilton's comments were an accurate representation of what had been said.
Fudd
24-08-2014
Originally Posted by Gary_LandyFan:
“People's hysterical opinions of Lewis, both or and against don't help, and then both Toto's and Niki's comments after the race have blown this all out of proportion.

As I said earlier there must me more to this story than we know about.”

Maybe the Mercedes PR team is on holiday; their handling of this has been little short of disastrous. Why did Lauda and Wolff speak out before talking properly to Rosberg? Why was Hamilton allowed to reveal what happened in the debrief in such a forthright way? Why did Mercedes seem to back him up without any clarifying comments? Normally the team tries to calm everything down in situations like this - in this case they've stirred it up further. If Rosberg wasn't in 'sod it' mood before he will be now.
ustarion
24-08-2014
Originally Posted by Fudd:
“Maybe the Mercedes PR team is on holiday; their handling of it has been little short of disastrous. Why did Lauda and Wolff speak out before talking properly to Rosberg? Why was Hamilton allowed to reveal what happened in the debrief in such a forthright way? Why did Mercedes seem to back him up without any clarifying comments? Normally the team tries to calm everything down in situations like this - in this case they've stirred it up further.”

The truth will out and Rosberg is a dirty little cheat.
D_Peugeot
24-08-2014
Originally Posted by BinaryDad:
“Not at all.

There's not a lot of difference between causing an accident and not bothering to avoid one. In the first you create the opportunity and in the latter, you use an opportunity that presents itself.

After all...Wolff and Lowe did state that Hamilton's comments were an accurate representation of what had been said.”

Erm, have you read Wolff's comments? Either Hamilton has lied, or has deliberately misinterpreted Rosberg's comments.

http://www.espn.co.uk/belgium/motors...ry/172425.html
Fudd
24-08-2014
Originally Posted by ustarion:
“The truth will out and Rosberg is a dirty little cheat.”

Hamilton is hardly holier than thou on the track. Winners in Formula One tend to have a nasty streak in them to say the very least. It's how the teams deal with this streak that is key.
BinaryDad
24-08-2014
Originally Posted by D_Peugeot:
“Erm, have you read Wolff's comments? Either Hamilton has lied, or has deliberately misinterpreted Rosberg's comments.

http://www.espn.co.uk/belgium/motors...ry/172425.html”

Yup, read it. It still doesn't really explain Merc's earlier comments, eh?
rodgepodge
24-08-2014
Originally Posted by BinaryDad:
“Not at all.

There's not a lot of difference between causing an accident and not bothering to avoid one. In the first you create the opportunity and in the latter, you use an opportunity that presents itself.

After all...Wolff and Lowe did state that Hamilton's comments were an accurate representation of what had been said.”

From ESPN, "Hamilton said Rosberg had admitted to causing the collision on purpose, but Wolff, who was also at the meeting , said that was not the case." Someone is lying and Hamilton has done that before (I don't know if Rosberg has). For me, it was just a racing incident.
d'@ve
24-08-2014
Originally Posted by Fudd:
“And entering another corner.”

I'm not sure what you are trying to prove but it's irrelevant to the main issue, that Rosberg was irresponsibly careless or turned in deliberately. In either case, it's unacceptable.

Whether or not any understeer occurred (and I haven't seen or heard any official or the media suggest that) is beside the point.
ustarion
24-08-2014
Originally Posted by Fudd:
“Hamilton is hardly holier than thou on the track. Winners in Formula One tend to have a nasty streak in them to say the very least. It's how the teams deal with this streak that is key.”

Hamilton can be hot-headed but I haven't seen anything to convince me that he would CHEAT on his way to a World Title
rodgepodge
24-08-2014
Originally Posted by BinaryDad:
“Yup, read it. It still doesn't really explain Merc's earlier comments, eh?”

Were those comments before or after the meeting?
D_Peugeot
24-08-2014
Originally Posted by BinaryDad:
“Yup, read it. It still doesn't really explain Merc's earlier comments, eh?”

I think you need to accept that Hamilton as gone rushing to the press to mouth off without thinking. Wolff has stated it wasn't deliberate and confirmed what was said, which doesn't support Hamilton's ludicrous claims.
rodgepodge
24-08-2014
Originally Posted by ustarion:
“Hamilton can be hot-headed but I haven't seen anything to convince me that he would CHEAT on his way to a World Title”

Errr, Australian grand prix 2009.
surfie
24-08-2014
[quote=Fudd;74428700]Neither Hamilton, Rosberg or Vettel are team players. They don't like a World Championship challenge from within the team (and to be fair the majority of world champions are/were like this). They'd prefer someone like Barrichello or Massa at Ferrari where the other teammate is decent but a clear number two.

You'll find the Constructors Title means far more to a team than the Drivers Title, so having two top drivers makes sense, it's the way you deal with those drivers. Mercedes need to lay down the law to both Nico and Lewis, telling them if they step out of line they are dropped for a few races. With a dominant team that is doable, especially if that team has a commanding lead in the Constructors titles as it will harm the driver more than the team.
D_Peugeot
24-08-2014
Originally Posted by ustarion:
“Hamilton can be hot-headed but I haven't seen anything to convince me that he would CHEAT on his way to a World Title”

Australia 2009?
Fudd
24-08-2014
Originally Posted by D_Peugeot:
“Erm, have you read Wolff's comments? Either Hamilton has lied, or has deliberately misinterpreted Rosberg's comments.

http://www.espn.co.uk/belgium/motors...ry/172425.html”

Hamilton:
Quote:
“ "We just had a meeting about it and he basically said he did it on purpose. He said he could have avoided it, but he didn't want to. He basically said, 'I did it to prove a point.. He just came in there and said it was my fault."

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/formula1/28921431”

Wolff:
Quote:
“"Nico felt he needed to hold his line [in the corner]. He needed to make a point, and for Lewis, it was clearly not him who needed to be aware of Nico. He [Rosberg] didn't give in. He thought it was for Lewis to leave him space, and that Lewis didn't leave him space.

"So they agreed to disagree in a very heated discussion amongst ourselves, but it wasn't deliberately crashing. That is nonsense. It was deliberately taking into account that if Lewis moves or would open then it could end up in a crash.

"What we saw there was that Nico was not prepared to take the exit, and that caused the collision. That is not something we want to happen."

Read more at http://en.espnf1.com/belgium/motorsp...Au4CO0m5F7C.99”

Forza Ferrari
24-08-2014
http://m.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/115558

It sounds like Hamilton has been lying again. Sad really.
indiana44
24-08-2014
Originally Posted by Fudd:
“Maybe the Mercedes PR team is on holiday; their handling of this has been little short of disastrous. Why did Lauda and Wolff speak out before talking properly to Rosberg? Why was Hamilton allowed to reveal what happened in the debrief in such a forthright way? Why did Mercedes seem to back him up without any clarifying comments? Normally the team tries to calm everything down in situations like this - in this case they've stirred it up further. If Rosberg wasn't in 'sod it' mood before he will be now.”

It struck me that there had to be quite a lot of previous within the team, and already some real issues with Nico. Monaco ?

Still very surprised by such a quite unprecedented undisguised immediate criticism of a driver from his team.
ustarion
24-08-2014
Originally Posted by rodgepodge:
“Errr, Australian grand prix 2009.”

Originally Posted by D_Peugeot:
“Australia 2009?”

That was bad advice from his team.
D_Peugeot
24-08-2014
I wonder if Hamilton had won the race, or finished on the podium he'd have been so eager to smear his team mate.
Fudd
24-08-2014
Originally Posted by ustarion:
“Hamilton can be hot-headed but I haven't seen anything to convince me that he would CHEAT on his way to a World Title”

Britain 2014 qualifying?
D_Peugeot
24-08-2014
Originally Posted by ustarion:
“That was bad advice from his team.”

He cheated.
ustarion
24-08-2014
Originally Posted by D_Peugeot:
“He cheated.”

Under instruction from his team.

Rosberg deliberately cheats on the track. There is a difference. He may win the battle but he is unlikely to win the war.
rodgepodge
24-08-2014
Originally Posted by ustarion:
“That was bad advice from his team.”

He knew it was a lie and should have told them where to put their advice, he didn't.
Fudd
24-08-2014
Originally Posted by indiana44:
“It struck me that there had to be quite a lot of previous within the team, and already some real issues with Nico. Monaco ?

Still very surprised by such a quite unprecedented undisguised immediate criticism of a driver from his team.”

I would say the big blow up was at Hungary where Rosberg was told Hamilton would move over and the latter refused to do so. Then the team backed Hamilton over Rosberg despite telling the latter something different during the race itself. Rosberg may have felt then that team orders should not be questioned but Hamilton was being given a free reign to defy orders when he wanted to, therefore elevating him ahead of Rosberg despite the fact that Rosberg was leading the Championship. In his eyes it was no longer even or fair and he would no longer get any support from the team over Hamilton.

Hamilton also commented that he was astonished that Rosberg's bitterness over Hungary still existed now so he must have been stewing on it throughout the break.
D_Peugeot
24-08-2014
Originally Posted by ustarion:
“Under instruction from his team.

Rosberg deliberately cheats on the track. There is a difference. He may win the battle but he is unlikely to win the war.”

Where has Rosberg deliberately cheated? Your head is full of the crap Hamilton spouts to turn people against his team mate.
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