Supposed understeer correction causing it was raised by the other fella, not me. If you'd read and understood the discussion prior to what you quoted, that should have been clear to you.

Back on topic, Rosberg clearly caused the damage to both cars by taking an unacceptable risk with his teammates car in the opening laps. He has rightly been hammered for that both by much of the media and public, as well as his own team bosses.

Not much can be done about it though and by driving like an impetuous novice, he's probably won himself a nice shiny World Championship trophy. That's not how things should be, at the pinnacle of what is usually a marvellous sport.

Probably not, because to be able to do that, he would not have had his race ruined by his team mate clipping his tyre meaning he ended up at the back.


IIRC he didn't refuse to, he just wasn't going to while Nico was so far back, because it would lose him too much time by slowing down enough to let him past.
Had Rosberg cruised up to the back of him he probably would have.

I disagree with Team Orders on the best of days, but ones where they makes one driver lose a chunk of time for the benefit of another annoy me.

It being a Racing Incident doesn't mean that one driver isn't to blame for it.

IMO Nico had enough room to move to the left in order to avoid any contact but he chose not to even though he was already backing out of it.

I don't believe there was any malice in the contact, just a simple misjudgment on Nico's part and he clipped the tyre with his wing accidentally.

And Lewis had the option of taking a wider line round the second part of the chicane knowing Nico was there ... but he didn't.

The reason the stewards did not look into it is because the allegations that Rosberg deliberately hit Hamilton did not come out until the race results had been made official. The FIA though can take retrospective action against Rosberg if need be.

I think the reason why EJ was having ago at Merc team was because the team haven't told the Driver to Behave on & of the track imo

Yes, other drivers have the option of getting out of the way of drivers making kamikaze manoeuvres, possibly helping them get through.

But especially when it's your teammate you should be able to trust that they will pull out of such manoeuvres.

No. Its unacceptable to the team because they lost points. Clearly Rosberg found it acceptable.


Unacceptable to who? You, the team, FIA?

The team are not happy, naturally Lewis is best not pleased, but for Rosberg it was an acceptable risk and to lay down a marker for the future.

This is part of the game, has been done before and will be done again. As ive said before, thats racing.

They hadn't even reached the second part, the line Lewis took gave him more than enough room to avoid a collision, had the collision happened because Hamilton squeezed him to the edge of the track I would blame Lewis, but Nico plenty of room to his left to avoid contact.

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What?

Stewards will asses incidents during the race itself and determine a resolution. They clearly thought this was a race incident which it was. Hamilton's lies, I doubt will change their view.

To be fair, Lewis wouldve been well within his rights to squeeze Rosberg off the track, as we saw with Magnussen on Button and Alonso. Also known as closing the door.

Ask Toto, he said it.

Didn't get around to it before but it's kind of ironic the way Hamilton's COLUMN for the BBC makes a big deal about the way there was tension in the team after Hungary but they talked it all through and how one of the things Lewis likes about Merc' is the way they manage their drivers to ensure there's no lingering resentment and hostility.

Guess Rosberg might not have been entirely honest about his feelings or intentions at those meetings, eh?

I accept the crash was Rosberg's fault, but Hamilton could also have avoided it. I'm simply saying a mistake was made and not a deliberate one. I crashed my motorbike three times many years ago, all my fault but none of them deliberate, they were deliberate acts but not with the intention of crashing, I thought I would stay on the road.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_9hXvw9yMw8

They were annoyed because it was an unnecessary crash which was caused by Rosberg, it was unacceptable but it wasn't done to deliberately cause an accident,

Agreed, it's not rocket science.

Now that I agree with totally. Not once have I said it wasn't Rosberg's fault, he simply made a mistake.

Responsibility isn't a binary thing though.

If you crash your motorbike, perhaps hitting another car in the process, simply because you misjudge a corner that's certainly your mistake but it wouldn't require malice.
If, on the other hand, you got to a roundabout and thought to yourself "F**k it, I'm sick of stopping at roundabouts so I'm just going straight across it regardless of whether there are any other cars around" and it ended up in a crash I'm sure you'd accept that was a different scenario because you'd made the deliberate choice to do something dumb.

Which is kinda what Rosberg did here.

After all, the other cars on our hypothetical roundabout could have taken avoiding action and prevented the crash.

Rosberg may not had deliberately thought "I'm gonna chop Lewis' back wheel" but he did, apparently, think "I'm sick of him pushing me around so I'm not getting out of his way any more" and it seems like he picked a rather poor situation to make that stand by doing it on lap 2, in a corner where there's really no room for 2 cars side-by-side and from a position where he didn't really have any right to claim track position.

I don't really understand why anyone is defending Rosberg Toto Wolff, Nikki Lauda, pretty much all of the media think he was in the wrong not to mention the majority of people watching (or so it seems)

Still, I guess being a protege of that other German that always felt it was " an acceptable risk" to drive into the only other car/driver that could challenge for the chanpionship, no one should really be surprised.

Magnussen has been penalized for pushing Alonso off the track.

There was more to it than simply making a mistake. He reportedly did it (refused to back off when he should have done) "to prove a point".

What that point is hasn't been specified as yet, but it looks like an overreaction to the commonly held view in the media and among many F1 fans that Hamilton is a better overtaker and pushes harder when it matters than Rosberg i.e. is a better driver when it's crunch time.

He failed abysmally to make that point, in fact if anything he reinforced the perception, but ironically, by making that rookie mistake on a teammate, he's probably won himself a Driver's Championship. I think that's why people are particularly irritated about it - the irony of the situation. How to win a championship by behaving like a complete tool.

I agree it was Rosberg's fault but Hamilton could also have avoided the crash, I think this video shows just how tiny the mistake was. Off to bed now, may come back later today, but it's obvious there are two sides here and never the twain shall meet

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_9hXvw9yMw8

Formula one drivers make premier league footballers look like paragons of sportsmanship. Sabotaging teammates, defying orders and a win at all costs mentality is surely damaging the sports standing.

Oh, I dunno. It's seems like there's already a broad consensus.

You're always going to get nutters at the extremes who either claim that Rosberg deliberately tried to chop Hamilton's tyre or that it was Hamilton's fault 'cos he should've got out of Niko's way but it seems like the truth is that Rosberg did make a deliberate choice not to yield but he just picked a pretty daft place and situation to make his stand.

Probably shouldn't say this, as a Hamilton fan, but if I was a betting man I would've put money on it being Lewis who first indulged in hard-headed stuff like this, probably while invoking the memory of Senna at Suzuka and quoting stuff about how "When there's a gap you've go to go for it or you're not a racing driver" etc.

Wonder how Keke feels about his lad's behaviour?

I actually doubt that very much, it's more great theatre in what could have been a fairly boring season with Mercedes so dominant.

I and others think Rosberg very much in the wrong here, irrespective of how deliberate or otherwise his actions. But there are a range of stridently held views and drama and controversy and publicity.

Having perceived goodies and baddies and intrigue doesn't necessarily damage a sport at all. And all being paragons of sportsmanship can in certain circumstances be dull.

Similarly, I would not like the Premier League to just contain the wholly virtuous. Welcome back, Mario

That was for the move down the straight.