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Old 05-10-2014, 13:15
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I've read that Bianchi is in a coma but has been breathing without assistance the whole time. Information said to come from the French media.
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Old 05-10-2014, 13:36
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Old 05-10-2014, 13:40
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Over the course of a whole season, whoever is top of the pile deserves to be there - don't think you could label them lucky.
Unless one driver has a disproportionate number of retirements due to mechanical problems.
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Old 05-10-2014, 13:59
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Old 05-10-2014, 14:08
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Dear god, those photos are awful.
Pray that Jules pulls through.
when you see the second pic it looks like the rear of the helmet is severely damaged
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Old 05-10-2014, 14:34
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Sky apparently won't show any race replays or highlights of the japanese GP. I wonder if they needed permission from FOM to change their schedule like this. If permission was easily granted then I wonder if this is and indication of favour turning away from the race promoter.

This event could mean the end of the japanese GP at suzuka any way and if there is criticism of Honda then they could reduce their involvement in F1.
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Old 05-10-2014, 14:44
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I feel sick looking at them.

Thoughts & prayers with Jules & his family.
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Old 05-10-2014, 14:44
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They shifted the start time of the Malaysian GP and then changed it back for pretty much the same reasons if I remember correctly. With Honda coming back with McLaren they'll be desperate to do anything to keep the GP there.

No idea why Sky aren't showing a re-run. BBC are.
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Old 05-10-2014, 15:07
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Forgive me if I'm recalling this wrongly, but did Niki Lauda not moan earlier in the season about a safety car incident, saying that it was nigh on impossible for another car to hit a car that had already crashed at the same spot and that they should carry on racing as normal?

I was just reminded of it, seeing him there now.
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Old 05-10-2014, 15:41
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'Going to the scene of an accident' - the number of times I've heard that said but I have rarely seen that happen in recent years, if at all
It so nearly happened during the MotoGP event at Silverstone last year when the marshalls were recovering Crutchlow's bike when Marquez went off at exactly the same point. Thankfully, the spotter marshall was on the ball and able to give the crew just enough time to avoid being skittled by Marquez' bike. Bear in mind this was only the morning warm up yet still a racer lost control under yellows. Marquez was given two penalty points on his licence for the incident.

I don't care about being considered insensitive. This is a pet hobby horse of mine which cannot be ridden hard enough.
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Old 05-10-2014, 15:43
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am i colour blind or is that a green flag?

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Old 05-10-2014, 15:45
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Forgive me if I'm recalling this wrongly, but did Niki Lauda not moan earlier in the season about a safety car incident, saying that it was nigh on impossible for another car to hit a car that had already crashed at the same spot and that they should carry on racing as normal?

I was just reminded of it, seeing him there now.
Yes he did, and today he's saying they should have run the race to the end. I disagree. If anything, they should have put out the safety car earlier, and kept it on until Sutil's car had been removed and the run-off area was clear. I think Lauda thinks it's still the 20th. century...

Surprised at Sky F1's decision to drop their schedule though, so one has to wonder if they know more about how serious this is than has been publically revealed.
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Old 05-10-2014, 15:46
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am i colour blind or is that a green flag?]
Yes. After the place of the incident.
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Old 05-10-2014, 15:51
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My guess is that at the very least should a car need recovery from the circuit during rain conditions where one or more cars are on intermediates or wets a safety car will be instantly deployed from now on.

I know it is tragic but the conditions were not poor enough for the race to be stopped prior to the incident, drivers were not complaining about aqua plaining.

Regarding the restart to the race, the FIA are very cautious these days and in so many examples in recent years they leave the safety car out so long that cars wish to run inters by the time we go green.

I appreciate these things are terrible and no one wants this but I fear that the reaction will be so over cautious that soon you will no longer race in the wet.

Following this simply change the rules as I said and deploy safety car to recover cars in these conditions and simply add on laps to the finish like they do in btcc, say maybe up to an additional 5 laps can be added to race distance.

Wishing bianchi a speedy recovery, fingers crossed.
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Old 05-10-2014, 15:52
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Yes. After the place of the incident.
its technically right above the crash so should still be yellows
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Old 05-10-2014, 15:58
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Sky apparently won't show any race replays or highlights of the japanese GP. I wonder if they needed permission from FOM to change their schedule like this. If permission was easily granted then I wonder if this is and indication of favour turning away from the race promoter.

This event could mean the end of the japanese GP at suzuka any way and if there is criticism of Honda then they could reduce their involvement in F1.
Can't.see it being the end of suzuka the one thing I can see that they are going to be really cautious they won't allow recovery vehicles on to the circuit till the safety car is deployed we will see an increase in safety cars
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Old 05-10-2014, 16:24
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Following that logic there should be a SC whenever a marshall needs to go on-circuit (to retrieve debris, for example). They deserve just as much protection as the drivers and do not have the benefit of a helmet, seatbelt and safety cell to protect them from the impact of a high speed missile.
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Old 05-10-2014, 16:28
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On the subject of drivers and yellow flags. For as long as I've watched motor racing I've seen them ignored. A wave out of the cockpit to acknowledge them without actually lifting, we've all seen it. The problem is they're are racing drivers, hardwired to go as fast as possible. Drivers are never going to slow down sufficiently of their own accord unless the wreckage is on the track. With the technology available, and trialled at this years Le Mans 24hrs, I would like to see a speed limit enforcement for yellow flag zones. Maybe a little harder to enforce for lower level national racing where cars aren't as sophisticated and might not have pit limiters etc. that could be used to limit their speed but not impossible. For example you could deploy radar guns for marshals to use and check cars aren't speeding through the scene of an accident.

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Old 05-10-2014, 16:42
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For lower level competition it should be sufficient for an experienced marshall to make a call on excessive speed under yellows without needing any expensive gadgetry.
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Old 05-10-2014, 16:52
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Sutil had aquaplaned off. In the past we have seen races where several cars have aquaplaning off in the exact same place.

At one race a driver was at risk when he was getting out of his car and another came crashing in towards him.

I don't think the recovery vehicle should have been there. Hindsight?
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Old 05-10-2014, 17:03
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Old 05-10-2014, 17:13
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At the moment we all have no information about how Bianchi was driving and so there is no point speculating to what extent he respected the yellow flags.

In wet conditions the cars can spin regardless of how tentative the drivers are.

I think a factor in both cars spinning was being on the intermediate tyre and not the full wet. The rain came on progressively and was monitored by the teams.

Only magnussen changed for the full wets but the track was much wetter. Nobody wants to do an extra stop if you can hold on for a safety car or wait for the rain to go off.

So perhapes race control should be able to stipulate that all cars must pit for full wets if the conditions are bad enough.
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Old 05-10-2014, 17:16
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who will take his place in the russia race?
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Old 05-10-2014, 17:25
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I think there is a chance Marrucia will only have one car at the next GP.
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Old 05-10-2014, 17:31
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'Going to the scene of an accident' - the number of times I've heard that said but I have rarely seen that happen in recent years, if at all.

(I mean while recovery mode is ongoing for the original accident).
"Going to the scene of the accident" is the phrase often used by Brundle, and was just a flippant way of saying "Having an accident". It was never intended to describe the scenario we've seen here, with a car hitting an existing crash scene.
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