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It wouldnt have benefited anyone this early in the season so I think it was right that lewis kept 3rd.
I just think it would have been fair either way.
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It's funny how in isolation, when they appear on programmes like Top Gear or whatever, most F1 drivers seem pretty nice.
When Vettel appeared on TG he seemed like a nice enough fella and even Schuey did too. It's only in-extremis that you really see the extremes of a drivers character though. You saw the worst of Schuey in 1995 when he ran Damon Hill off the track, and again in 1997 when he tried the same thing with Villeneuve, and then again when he parked his car in the final corner at Monaco and again when he tried to run Barrichello into the pit wall at Hungary (?). Same thing applies to Alonso. His pit-lane strop when he refused to clear the pit box was an example of what he's capable of and his waved insults to Petrov (who, effectively, lost him the 2011 championship by refusing to yield position to him) in Abu Dhabi were another example of poor sportsmanship. Button showed a similar side of his character when he tried to steal the lead off Hamilton in Turkey in 2011 and now Vettel has done the same thing. I think most drivers do things they're not proud of at one time or another but it takes a special kind of underhandedness to do something calculated and premeditated and there really aren't many drivers who actually indulge in those kind of shennanigans. I guess to be a great driver you probably do have to have a ruthless streak but it's a shame for me that some drivers seem so smug and arrogant (Allonso, Vettel) and others seem so nice (Hamilton, Rosberg, Massa) |
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#578 |
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Weasel words from Horner afterwards and hey you don't need to rely on code. Where was the "Seb, let Mark back through, racing was over !"
Anyway, Vettel understood the code and would no doubt have ignored direct orders too, I guess, but they could have at least made the effort. Vettel knew it was a no loser to go for it, well as long as he didn't crash. What are RBR effectively going to do? Well, nothing and 7 more points evidently seem to Vettel worth much more than being bothered about getting a reputation as a piece of shit. Who's the ruddy reserve driver ? I dare you, RBR, put him in for the next race, Of course you won't, so no real consequences. |
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of course vettel understood the code. hes just a bitter, horrible person. not the 1st time hes completely ignored direct orders from the team.
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#580 |
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Lewis wasn't deploying anything! He was sat there conserving his fuel as told to do. It was the team principle who told Nico not to overtake. He could have just as easily said "Yeah, go for it"
Lewis only had to race Jenson at Mclaren but it still resulted in bumper cars and Jenson ahead of Lewis in the WDC. Everybody thought Lewis went to Mercedes for the money but clearly it was for the team orders. |
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Given the tyre issues RB had been experiencing, I found it a strange call by Mercedes.
Surely with the possibility of Vettel/Webber having to slow down, then the proper call would have been to get Rossberg up the road to be in a better position to pick up points should the tyre gremlins strike. |
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Only he didn't say that even although Lewis had a problem and was limping at the end. How pathetic at the end of the race was the sight of two F1 cars not even accelerating to a moderate level and all because only one was low on fuel.
Lewis only had to race Jenson at Mclaren but it still resulted in bumper cars and Jenson ahead of Lewis in the WDC. Everybody thought Lewis went to Mercedes for the money but clearly it was for the team orders. |
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of course vettel understood the code. hes just a bitter, horrible person. not the 1st time hes completely ignored direct orders from the team.
I guess he just wants to win at any cost. You could call that selfish and greedy, but then every point counts and could you blame him? It is a difficult one. But he just needs to get less irate when he doesn't get a clear route to position #1. |
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Who's the ruddy reserve driver ? I dare you, RBR, put him in for the next race, Of course you won't, so no real consequences. |
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I think Alonso has come out of this well.
With all the attention on Vettel/Webber and a lesser extent on Hamilton/Rosberg, I don't seem to have heard any questions/reasons why he didn't come into the pits at the end of lap 1. The reporter on 5live said the pit crew were expecting him. |
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I think Alonso has come out of this well.
With all the attention on Vettel/Webber and a lesser extent on Hamilton/Rosberg, I don't seem to have heard any questions/reasons why he didn't come into the pits at the end of lap 1. The reporter on 5live said the pit crew were expecting him. Sky had TV pictures of it and the mechanics all ready |
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Now the tyres are to be changed to make Red Bull win all the time again.
F1 is so fake! |
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...or Mercedes simply have team orders to hold station at that stage and it would have worked in favour of Rosberg if the other way round.
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I think Alonso has come out of this well.
With all the attention on Vettel/Webber and a lesser extent on Hamilton/Rosberg, I don't seem to have heard any questions/reasons why he didn't come into the pits at the end of lap 1. The reporter on 5live said the pit crew were expecting him. Can you imagine the F1 media treating things the same had say Alonso/Massa had those team orders behind the two Red Bull's for the final podium space and it had been Hamilton who had gone into the back of Vettel in lap 1 damaging his car; and then failed to go into the pits at the end of that lap and having the same DNF in lap 2. I think we all know the answer is No; as THE story of this race would be about Hamilton making another calamitous mistake.. .
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As a viewer Im all for team mates racing each other.... however all parties must know thats the case or its just plain cheating. But then Vettel looked straight into the camera and said he didnt know that he wasn't supposed to be racing Webber to the end of the race..... yeah right. .... no wonder Mark didnt accept the apology if it was basically sorry i didnt know and not sorry i broke the pact ...and another schumaker is born.
Lewis .. nice to hear him taking the mick out of himself when he said he did a Button when he pulled up in the wrong garage, |
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I'm no fan of Hamilton but thought he handled the podium interview well. Unless he was just saying what he thought the public wanted to hear and was actually happy he got third and didn't care what happened to Rosberg. But knowing that they were team-mates in the past, I thought it was fitting to mention on the podium that Rosberg should have been in his place. I hope it's not soured the team spirit and introduced any animosity.
If I had been in third and if Rosberg was not needing to conserve fuel, I would have sent him after the Red Bulls. There's always a danger of the two leading cars tangling and resulting in a slow lap time or puncture and to make Rosberg wait when there was an (albeit slim) chance for him to get second or even win is something I'd happily take fourth place for. Swapping the two Mercedes over was not going to change their constructor points. But maybe that (allowing a team-mate ahead of you) is the attitude that doesn't make you world champion. |
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Apparently strong enough feelings to make a point of whining about how I'm "one of the most repulsive people on D.S."
Which, as I said, is a burden I will just have to learn to live with. |
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No geek on F1 but surely its all about winning isnt it? Whatever Vettel says he strikes me as someone who wants as many titles as he possibly can and after three in a row that feeling must be supercharged. No other reason for ignoring team orders than for another 25 points. Does that make him bad? Annoying if your not a fan for definite.
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No geek on F1 but surely its all about winning isnt it?
And Vettel has shown once again that he's not a team player. |
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No geek on F1 but surely its all about winning isnt it?.
Without constructors' championship money a fair few drivers wouldn't have a drive as they would need to bring in more sponsorship themselves. When you've got cars in a guaranteed 1-2 it's nonsensical for them to race so hard for a measly 7 points in a season that's only just begun. And 7 points isn't ever going to be the difference between Vettel and Webber, and Vettel knows that. So all he was doing was feeding his own ego, and making himself wildly unpopular at the same time, especially as Webber's generally respected on the grid. Vettel's an idiot, and I don't know how anyone can defend what he did today, particularly given his pathetic excuses afterwards. All he's done is damage his own reputation - it's all very well being a decent driver (though I think he's far from the best on the grid), but if you're not a team player then you might find it very hard to get a drive when the inevitable day comes that your contract ends or your team isn't competitive anymore... |
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Only two races in and Lewis is deploying team orders against Rosberg.
There was no sense in Rosberg going through - he didn't have enough time to catch the leaders, so the sensible thing was for all of them to conserve their engines as much as possible, and Hamilton had earned his third place so he may as well just have kept it. Exact same applied to Red Bull, only Vettel didn't have the maturity or common sense to comply. Rosberg showed maturity in eventually accepting the decision, whereas Vettel just showed he is nothing but egotistical. |
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Vettel being an utter tw*t, no surprise there, hopefully people will start to wake up to it.
Glad to see Hamilton in third, fair dues to him for coming out and saying Nico should of been stood on the podium. |
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Maybe Mark will have an opportunity to avenge the situation later in the season. As he must be nearing the end of his F1 career, he can afford to play maverick for the remaining races (maybe at Vettel's ultimate expense and our entertainment).
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...or Mercedes simply have team orders to hold station at that stage and it would have worked in favour of Rosberg if the other way round.
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I feel Webber deserved a lot better than what he got today. My feeling is though that the team is built around Vettel that it doesn't seem to be a level playing field
Found the drivers interviews uncomfortable listening. A situation that needs sorting out pronto |
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