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of course vettel understood the code. hes just a bitter, horrible person. not the 1st time hes completely ignored direct orders from the team.
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I feel Webber deserved a lot better than what he got today. My feeling is though that the team is built around Vettel that it doesn't seem to be a level playing field
Found the drivers interviews uncomfortable listening. A situation that needs sorting out pronto http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/mot...an-Vettel.html Of course, there were also claims that Webber was deliberately obstructive to Vettel in the Brazilian Grand Prix last season. The fact that the 2012 Championship went to the last race of the season proves that every point is vital so I can understand why Vettel wanted the additional number, I think the recent world champions have been all the same; they seem perfectly nice guys outside of the car but have a competitive - some would call nasty - streak when they put the helmet on. Webber's no different; he's just in a team with someone who appears better than him. To be honest, they're not suited to one another because they are both arguably good enough to be a number one driver and both carry the ego to insist this. Personally, I loathe team orders. I much preferred watching the Red Bull's going toe-to-toe than the Mercedes performing a procession which was dull in the extreme. It's racing, they're supposed to be able to race. Not trailing one after the other. IMO they should also abandon the radio calls and communicate with the drivers using the pit board so everything can be picked up by the public. |
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Vettel being an utter tw*t, no surprise there, hopefully people will start to wake up to it.
I understand they were told to race up to the final pitstop. But they came out practically side-by-side, so the racing continued. Mark Webber should have responded by staying ahead of Vettel, not sulking that the better driver won. Quote:
Glad to see Hamilton in third, fair dues to him for coming out and saying Nico should of been stood on the podium.
Rosberg was simply better than Hamilton today. A predictable pattern we will see repeated throughout the season. |
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I guess to be a great driver you probably do have to have a ruthless streak but it's a shame for me that some drivers seem so smug and arrogant (Allonso, Vettel) and others seem so nice (Hamilton, Rosberg, Massa)
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Not that Mark Webber is perfect when it comes to team orders, of course. Let's get it out of our heads that Webber is a latter day saint and Vettel is some evil beggar who should leave Formula One at the earliest opportunity.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/mot...an-Vettel.html Of course, there were also claims that Webber was deliberately obstructive to Vettel in the Brazilian Grand Prix last season. The fact that the 2012 Championship went to the last race of the season proves that every point is vital so I can understand why Vettel wanted the additional number, I think the recent world champions have been all the same; they seem perfectly nice guys outside of the car but have a competitive - some would call nasty - streak when they put the helmet on. Webber's no different; he's just in a team with someone who appears better than him. To be honest, they're not suited to one another because they are both arguably good enough to be a number one driver and both carry the ego to insist this. Personally, I loathe team orders. I much preferred watching the Red Bull's going toe-to-toe than the Mercedes performing a procession which was dull in the extreme. It's racing, they're supposed to be able to race. Not trailing one after the other. IMO they should also abandon the radio calls and communicate with the drivers using the pit board so everything can be picked up by the public. |
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Lee Mackenzie - top presenter. "I feel disappointed as a F1 fan watching all this"
Racers are racers - scrap team orders NOW |
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I feel sorry for Mark - Sebastian should not have ignored a team order. I actually think Webber is a better driver that Vettel.
I have to disagree on whether Mark is a better driver than Seb - Seb has proven time and again that he can get more out of a Red Bull than Mark and Mark has often been well off the pace. Favourtism can't be the only reason. |
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Yet it's ok for Mark to ignore team orders?
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In this case it was Vettel who ignored a team order - and that is what i am referring to
The trust has broken down completely in that team. |
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In this case it was Vettel who ignored a team order - and that is what i am referring to
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Why should Seb obey team orders when Mark has shown a willingness in the past to ignore them?
The trust has broken down completely in that team. |
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They were both told not to race.
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I agree entirely re the trust point you make - if Webber is still at the RB next season I'll start believing in Santa Claus and the Easter Bunny
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They were both told not to race.
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I agree entirely re the trust point you make - if Webber is still at the RB next season I'll start believing in Santa Claus and the Easter Bunny
The thing is both Vettel and Webber need to be clear number one; their egos will not allow otherwise. Something needs to give and any team in this position would lean towards the multi-world champion. The problem is where can the other go? McLaren seems the obvious choice but their car isn't up to scratch; Button seems placate enough to accept someone else being number one as he did with Hamilton. Ferrari and Mercedes are both out of the question and no other care is strong enough to even compete at the top of the grid. BTW you still haven't answered the question why Seb should respond to team orders while Mark doesn't.
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We know Santa exists. He appeared at the end of this race to give Hamilton a gift (despite not having been a very good boy).
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Mmmm it could be argued that Webber was trying to hold his position as he was leading the race
Personally, I love Vettel's attitude in this race. This is why he's a three time champion. |
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Though I can't blame Mark for trying to fight back when Seb suddenly appeared beside him. Why shouldn't he?
They've come through worse - remember Turkey? The thing is both Vettel and Webber need to be clear number one; their egos will not allow otherwise. Something needs to give and any team in this position would lean towards the multi-world champion. The problem is where can the other go? McLaren seems the obvious choice but their car isn't up to scratch; Button seems placate enough to accept someone else being number one as he did with Hamilton. Ferrari and Mercedes are both out of the question and no other care is strong enough to even compete at the top of the grid. BTW you still haven't answered the question why Seb should respond to team orders while Mark doesn't. ![]() I agree team orders should be respected by everyone - no one man bands |
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Did Suzi Perry have to dress for the presentation as if she was going straight onto the Red Bull Cocktail Party without having to change
I'm quite content that she's a member of the BBC F1 Presentation Team but what she was wearing today looked distinctly odd on a Grand Prix circuit. |
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Or what about whoever lead exiting the first corner takes precedence for that particular race
The issue was Seb was handling the race better than his team mate - as was Rosberg. They were the better racer so why shouldn't they have a chance of overtaking? Team orders are farcical and are ruining the sport for me. Quote:
I agree team orders should be respected by everyone - no one man bands
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My overriding point is that it should be a level playing field- if they are going to use team orders then they have to be respected by everyone at all times
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Lee Mackenzie - top presenter. "I feel disappointed as a F1 fan watching all this"
Racers are racers - scrap team orders NOW |
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My overriding point is that it should be a level playing field- if they are going to use team orders then they have to be respected by everyone at all times
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Scrap team orders and bring back refuelling!
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And with Red Bull they're not - by either driver.
But will that happen |
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A bit of interest in today's race, but the same predictable season seems to be panning out as usual:yawn:
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