That said cant we just get back to pure racing and scrap team orders. Being told to come 2nd or in Rosberg's case 4th is against the instincts of these guys. Sorry but carry on ignoring Seb.

Not that Mark Webber is perfect when it comes to team orders, of course. Let's get it out of our heads that Webber is a latter day saint and Vettel is some evil beggar who should leave Formula One at the earliest opportunity.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/mot...an-Vettel.html

Of course, there were also claims that Webber was deliberately obstructive to Vettel in the Brazilian Grand Prix last season. The fact that the 2012 Championship went to the last race of the season proves that every point is vital so I can understand why Vettel wanted the additional number,

I think the recent world champions have been all the same; they seem perfectly nice guys outside of the car but have a competitive - some would call nasty - streak when they put the helmet on. Webber's no different; he's just in a team with someone who appears better than him. To be honest, they're not suited to one another because they are both arguably good enough to be a number one driver and both carry the ego to insist this.

Personally, I loathe team orders. I much preferred watching the Red Bull's going toe-to-toe than the Mercedes performing a procession which was dull in the extreme. It's racing, they're supposed to be able to race. Not trailing one after the other. IMO they should also abandon the radio calls and communicate with the drivers using the pit board so everything can be picked up by the public.

Vettel was simply being a racing driver. There was no reason for him not to pass Webber. It's the second race of the season, it's not like Webber needed the points to take the title. This has cost Redbull nothing.

I understand they were told to race up to the final pitstop. But they came out practically side-by-side, so the racing continued.

Mark Webber should have responded by staying ahead of Vettel, not sulking that the better driver won.


Oh, come on. Words are cheap. Hamilton MUST have been aware of what was going on -- he was being gifted third. He could have easily told the team over the radio to let Rosberg move past, or simply move aside for him. Instead he chose to take third.

Rosberg was simply better than Hamilton today. A predictable pattern we will see repeated throughout the season.

Hamilton nice, Vettel smug and arrogant. Ok.

I feel sorry for Mark - Sebastian should not have ignored a team order. I actually think Webber is a better driver that Vettel.

Lee Mackenzie - top presenter. "I feel disappointed as a F1 fan watching all this"

Racers are racers - scrap team orders NOW

Yet it's ok for Mark to ignore team orders?

I have to disagree on whether Mark is a better driver than Seb - Seb has proven time and again that he can get more out of a Red Bull than Mark and Mark has often been well off the pace. Favourtism can't be the only reason.

In this case it was Vettel who ignored a team order - and that is what i am referring to

Why should Seb obey team orders when Mark has shown a willingness in the past to ignore them?

The trust has broken down completely in that team.

They were both told not to race.

I agree entirely re the trust point you make - if Webber is still at the RB next season I'll start believing in Santa Claus and the Easter Bunny

Mmmm it could be argued that Webber was trying to hold his position as he was leading the race

We know Santa exists. He appeared at the end of this race to give Hamilton a gift (despite not having been a very good boy).

Though I can't blame Mark for trying to fight back when Seb suddenly appeared beside him. Why shouldn't he?


They've come through worse - remember Turkey?

The thing is both Vettel and Webber need to be clear number one; their egos will not allow otherwise. Something needs to give and any team in this position would lean towards the multi-world champion.

The problem is where can the other go? McLaren seems the obvious choice but their car isn't up to scratch; Button seems placate enough to accept someone else being number one as he did with Hamilton. Ferrari and Mercedes are both out of the question and no other care is strong enough to even compete at the top of the grid.

BTW you still haven't answered the question why Seb should respond to team orders while Mark doesn't.

I thought it was Easter Bunny

Yes, he was trying to hold his position by racing his team-mate. And, to his credit, Webber did quite a good job of that and came back at SV a few times -- the most exciting few corners of the race.

Personally, I love Vettel's attitude in this race. This is why he's a three time champion.

Or what about whoever lead exiting the first corner takes precedence for that particular race

I agree team orders should be respected by everyone - no one man bands

Did Suzi Perry have to dress for the presentation as if she was going straight onto the Red Bull Cocktail Party without having to change

I'm quite content that she's a member of the BBC F1 Presentation Team but what she was wearing today looked distinctly odd on a Grand Prix circuit.

Which would have been Seb today (and indeed on most occasions) but situations change. Just because you lead going into the first corner doesn't mean you'll be in the best position at the end of the first lap.

The issue was Seb was handling the race better than his team mate - as was Rosberg. They were the better racer so why shouldn't they have a chance of overtaking?

Team orders are farcical and are ruining the sport for me.


Which is a huge issue when both drivers are willing to break them. Red Bull should accept fate, ditch team orders and allow both of them to race. They're both perfectly happy to ignore them when it suits so they're pointless.

My overriding point is that it should be a level playing field- if they are going to use team orders then they have to be respected by everyone at all times

Scrap team orders and bring back refuelling!

And with Red Bull they're not - by either driver.

The lack of refueling is another stupid rule; Hamilton would have been able to go faster and possibly be involved in the race for top spot if it hadn't been for that.

I agree with you Fudd - I sense that things are going to go down the Senna and Prost route when they were both at McLaren - Something has got to give - and maybe some home truths need to be spoken to both drivers.

But will that happen

A bit of interest in today's race, but the same predictable season seems to be panning out as usual:yawn: