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Official Formula 1 Thread (Part 8)
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gomezz
05-12-2014
It suggests the exact opposite.
Assa2
05-12-2014
The reality is that Ron knows who he wants (Magnussen) but he is not empowered to make the decision on his own and the board are very much split on the matter.
BinaryDad
05-12-2014
Originally Posted by dansus:
“These are huge multinational companys. F1 is part of their marketing and R&D strategy.”

But still, ventures have to make a profit. I've worked at huge multinationals...in fact, I work for one now. If a certain part of the business is making a loss, it gets cut.

The losses simply aren't absorbed and repeatedly ignored. There has to be tangible rewards, so that R&D can keep on going.
Si_Crewe
05-12-2014
Originally Posted by uberman:
“Then that would suggest that he already knows which option he's chosen, so let us know.”

I was watching THIS documentary about Mclaren Automotive (well worth a watch if you have an hour spare BTW) a few weeks ago.

The main thing that comes across from the segments involving Ron is his apparent "Do it right, regardless of cost" attitude.
He really does seem to be hugely OCD about doing things "properly" and that money isn't important if it creates the best possible environment for being successful.

After seeing that, I can't help thinking that it must be eating him up inside that the current palava with the F1 team appears to be such a shambles,
As I said, even if he knows, personally, that there are good reasons why it's all happening, it must be keeping him awake at night to know that it's making his team look like a complete clusterf**k.

Good.
BinaryDad
05-12-2014
Originally Posted by Si_Crewe:
“The main thing that comes across from the segments involving Ron is his apparent "Do it right, regardless of cost" attitude.
He really does seem to be hugely OCD about doing things "properly" and that money isn't important if it creates the best possible environment for being successful.”

Exactly. If you get it right from the get go, then it'll end up paying for itself. Ron typically has a much more long-term view that most team bosses who seem to focus on short term title battles. Look at RBR's whining about PU's as a prime example - Horner knows that the fizzy drinks company won't tolerate continued 2nd places, slipping down the order and will pull the plug accordingly.
coopermanyorks
05-12-2014
Originally Posted by Assa2:
“The reality is that Ron knows who he wants (Magnussen) but he is not empowered to make the decision on his own and the board are very much split on the matter.”

The board it seems cannot agree or come to a decision , so just who will make the decision ?
dansus
06-12-2014
Originally Posted by BinaryDad:
“But still, ventures have to make a profit.

There has to be tangible rewards, so that R&D can keep on going.”

Profit comes from selling millions of cars and services globally.
Si_Crewe
06-12-2014
Originally Posted by dansus:
“Profit comes from selling millions of cars and services globally.”

I guess that's why there's such a rush for manufacturers to participate in F1, eh?
dansus
06-12-2014
Originally Posted by Si_Crewe:
“I guess that's why there's such a rush for manufacturers to participate in F1, eh?”

Mercedes 2014 reach was worth $2.8b on a $350m spend. Quite attractive to the big boys, like Audi..
simongvs70
07-12-2014
While Daniel Riccardo was in Qatar, along with the rest of the great and not so good, receiving his trophy for third place in the WDC, a gang of 'desperate ruffians' (although I would more inclined to describe them as plonkers) ram raided the Red Bull factory to steal the team's other trophies. Sometimes, words fail me...
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england...herts-30359781
gomezz
07-12-2014
Well if they will site their factory near the most insalubrious part of MK ...
droogiefret
07-12-2014
Originally Posted by gomezz:
“That he does not suggests that to do so would close off at least one of the possible choices.”

Originally Posted by uberman:
“Then that would suggest that he already knows which option he's chosen, so let us know.”

Originally Posted by Assa2:
“The reality is that Ron knows who he wants (Magnussen) but he is not empowered to make the decision on his own and the board are very much split on the matter.”

Originally Posted by coopermanyorks:
“The board it seems cannot agree or come to a decision , so just who will make the decision ?”

From reading the dedicated motor forums it seems the general opinion is that Ron Dennis would like to announce Kevin Magnussen but cannot do so unless he can secure sponsorship funding for him. The current delay is all about trying to garner sponsorship for Kevin.

There is a view that Honda favour Button and are happy to stand his wage. That Button is also viewed to be worth sponsorship money to the team in his own right (£10m was mentioned). So, the view goes, Ron needs to convince the board that choosing Kevin makes sense financially.

Goodness knows why Ron would still prefer Kevin if Jensen's wage is effectively zero and he is bringing in £10m besides. But Dennis doesn't like being told what to do or proved wrong, that's for certain.
Si_Crewe
07-12-2014
Originally Posted by simongvs70:
“While Daniel Riccardo was in Qatar, along with the rest of the great and not so good, receiving his trophy for third place in the WDC, a gang of 'desperate ruffians' (although I would more inclined to describe them as plonkers) ram raided the Red Bull factory to steal the team's other trophies. Sometimes, words fail me...
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england...herts-30359781”

Clever thieves.

I mean, they're bound to be able to find a buyer for a bunch of F1 trophies with names engraved on them, right?

Maybe Vettel paid somebody to do the job?
dansus
07-12-2014
Originally Posted by droogiefret:
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Goodness knows why Ron would still prefer Kevin if Jensen's wage is effectively zero and he is bringing in £10m besides. But Dennis doesn't like being told what to do or proved wrong, that's for certain.”

Hes also trying to raise the cash to buy a controlling share of the team, which is no doubt complicating things.

He has until 31st Dec to close the deal, so we may not hear anything until the new year.
droogiefret
08-12-2014
Originally Posted by dansus:
“Hes also trying to raise the cash to buy a controlling share of the team, which is no doubt complicating things.

He has until 31st Dec to close the deal, so we may not hear anything until the new year.”

Ah - I'd read that but didn't know if it was definite. Thanks - wait for New Year then.
North Downs
08-12-2014
So much for economising, paying Alonso a reputed £25.5m a year when Jenson is currently getting £13m. They could have had them both for that.
dansus
09-12-2014
Originally Posted by North Downs:
“So much for economising, paying Alonso a reputed £25.5m a year when Jenson is currently getting £13m. They could have had them both for that.”

To complicate things further, i read that Alonso's contract is with Honda, who is paying his wages and is willing to fork out for Jenson too.

Sounds like Ron wants a Danish investor to give him the cash he needs to buy the controlling stake and Kevin gets the seat in return. Hence the delay.
dansus
09-12-2014
Originally Posted by droogiefret:
“Ah - I'd read that but didn't know if it was definite. Thanks - wait for New Year then.”

It was supposed to be done by 31st October, Ron had to fork out £30m to extend the period.

For those interested, think he is buying shares from his old mate Mansour Ojjeh, who reported is to be very ill and probably wants to liquidate his stake before he meets his maker.
Si_Crewe
09-12-2014
Originally Posted by dansus:
“For those interested, think he is buying shares from his old mate Mansour Ojjeh, who reported is to be very ill and probably wants to liquidate his stake before he meets his maker.”

That'd suggest there's a lot going on behind the scenes, if true.

It was only a year ago that it was being reported that MO's son (IIRC) was administrating the TAG shares in McLaren in order to allow Ron to regain control of the team.
That being the case, it seems like Ron could rely on MO's support without having to buy the shares.

If Ron is buying out MO's stake in McLaren it would suggest that he's concerned that somebody who doesn't agree with him might buy them instead.
Kinda ironic that, a few years ago, he refused to sell a controlling interest in the team to Merc' and, more recently, he had to enact a "hostile takeover" to get his own team back and now it looks like both of those things might end up being a waste of time if, say, it's Honda who're competing to buy up MO's shares.

Wouldn't go as far as to say it will happen but I can see Ron quitting McLaren within the next month or so if he doesn't manage to sort this out to his satisfaction.
maycontainnuts
10-12-2014
McLaren driver lineup to be revealed tomorrow
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/formula1/30417196#
pork.pie
10-12-2014
Button all but confirmed, great news.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/formula1/30328327
ati_qtimporta
11-12-2014
I'd be really glad if Button is finally the teammate of Alonso. I think he is a very good driver and it doesn't make sense letting him go.

And, in my opinion, he is the typical person that you look at and seems to be a good guy. I don't know him, but that's the impression I get.
Si_Crewe
11-12-2014
Maybe somebody can refresh my memory?

Did Magnussen do anything particularly spectacular this year?

I recall seeing Kvyat make that epic save in Monza, when his STR threw a wobbly, but I don't recall Magnussen having any similarly notable moments which might cause people to pay attention to him.

Don't get me wrong, I'm sure he's a decent enough driver but I just can't recall any particular "Blimey! that guy's got some skills" moments during this season, although it's certainly possible I've just forgotten them.
Hoffmister
11-12-2014
BBC reporting Button will stay at Maclaren.

fingers crossed
Forza Ferrari
11-12-2014
Bad news for McLaren.
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