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Official Formula 1 Thread (Part 8)
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dansus
05-02-2015
Strategy Group say 'non' to Manor using 2014 chassis, which basically means they are buggered.

Also..

Originally Posted by F1 Insider:
“In terms of Power Unit concept, however, has given no innovations. On the contrary, by the end of 2016, the current 1.6-liter V6 turbo-hybrid engines will definitely endure. After that one we will see. But the teams want 2016 more aerodynamic freedoms, wider chassis and wider tires. A source said: “As a result, the cars will not only be more aggressive to drive but also look again more aggressive.””

deadmancarl
05-02-2015
Originally Posted by dansus:
“Strategy Group say 'non' to Manor using 2014 chassis, which basically means they are buggered.

Also..”

I think that is harsh on Manor, as the only real change this year is the nose and they could have said you can start the season but by Spain you need a new nose, even if it compromised the aero due it it being a rush job at least they would be legal.

All because of the money
Si_Crewe
07-02-2015
Originally Posted by dansus:
“Strategy Group say 'non' to Manor using 2014 chassis, which basically means they are buggered.”

Isn't that a complete about-face from what they previously said?

Pretty sure that either Caterham or Marussia were told that they would be allowed to run a 2014 chassis in 2015 in order to stay in the sport.
If it was okay for those teams, how come Manor won't get the same consideration?
zieler
07-02-2015
Originally Posted by Si_Crewe:
“Isn't that a complete about-face from what they previously said?

Pretty sure that either Caterham or Marussia were told that they would be allowed to run a 2014 chassis in 2015 in order to stay in the sport.
If it was okay for those teams, how come Manor won't get the same consideration? ”

They do get the same consideration. Apparently there were guidelines set out for any team seeking dispensation to run a 2014 car, the team would have to prove they could be sustainable financially and the car would be changed in a few ways for safety reasons. Bob Fernley claims that other teams as well as Force India weren't satisfied with Manor's progress.

Either that or they just need the extra money...
Si_Crewe
10-02-2015
Kudos to DR for managing to get around the Top Gear track 0.7s faster than Lewis Hamilton, who was (in turn) about a second quicker than Vettel.

Kind of an interesting interview with DR on TG too.
It seems like he really doesn't give off that "single-minded determination" vibe like a lot of F1 drivers do but his easy-going nature obviously doesn't seem to stop him from being competitive.

So, the big question is, is DR going to end up being another one of those guys who really should have won a championship but never found himself in the right car at the right time?
dansus
13-02-2015
Great, with the tighter restriction of only having 4 engines this year, sounds like there will be less running on Fridays free practice.
scragend
14-02-2015
Originally Posted by deadmancarl:
“I think that is harsh on Manor, as the only real change this year is the nose and they could have said you can start the season but by Spain you need a new nose, even if it compromised the aero due it it being a rush job at least they would be legal.”

It's not just the nose though, the whole front bulkhead needs to be 50mm lower than in 2014, which isn't something you can just graft on, it needs the whole front end of the car to be redesigned.

Although...

Originally Posted by deadmancarl:
“All because of the money”

I don't disagree with you on that one!
Batch
22-02-2015
Alonso taken to hospital after a crash in today's testing. Said to be 'concious and OK'

Originally Posted by McLaren twitter:
“McLaren ‏@McLarenF1 3m3 minutes ago

Fernando is conscious and is speaking. He has been airlifted to hospital for further checks.”

simongvs70
22-02-2015
More details about the crash.
gomezz
22-02-2015
Some cracking two-wheel racing from Phillip Island this morning. Catch it on Eurosport if you can.
Forza Ferrari
22-02-2015
Originally Posted by simongvs70:
“More details about the crash.”

Glad to hear Alonso is ok. It sounds like a strange crash and Mclaren have cancelled running with the 2nd driver which they were going to do at first.

I hope Mclaren haven't made a dangerous car and if they have I hope they investigate and correct the issue and don't just Ronwash it.
Assa2
25-02-2015
Ignoring FF's rather inflamatory post above... Alonso remains in hospital despite repeated updates suggesting he's not injured. The circumstance of the crash and Mclaren's unbelievable assertion that it was a 'gust of wind' that sent Alonso off is making me wonder if perhaps he did lose consciousness while driving, leading to to the crash, and that he's being kept in for an extended period for observations. I really hope not. In any case I doubt he'll be in the car this weekend at all.
gomezz
25-02-2015
The other thing which occurred to me is that they have uncovered a long term health issue which may even affect his eligibility to ever race again. But of course, personal medical privacy overrides prurient public interest so we shall just have to wait and see.
TVScourge
25-02-2015
I find it hard to believe that a strong gust of wind was the cause of Alonso's accident as well as Sainz Jr.'s, but that's me I'm not an expert of aerodynamics. I'm told if a strong gust as opposed to a steady stream of wind can bring airliners down, it would throw an F1 car away too. If that's really the case then I'm surprised it hasn't happened more often, let alone happen to two different drivers on the same day.
Si_Crewe
26-02-2015
Originally Posted by TVScourge:
“I find it hard to believe that a strong gust of wind was the cause of Alonso's accident as well as Sainz Jr.'s, but that's me I'm not an expert of aerodynamics. I'm told if a strong gust as opposed to a steady stream of wind can bring airliners down, it would throw an F1 car away too. If that's really the case then I'm surprised it hasn't happened more often, let alone happen to two different drivers on the same day.”

I wonder if it might be something to do with set-up?

I mean, Ferrari haven't exactly been renowned for building cars that handle well over the last few years so (without meaning to be derogatory), maybe Alonso isn't quite up to speed with what sort of set-up tweaks are be required to optimise the McLaren and, as a result, he's ended-up asking for something which made his car unstable?

I'm thinking of a scenario where, for example, at Ferrari he might've found that if the car lacked turn-in he could fix it by changing the ratio of the steering rack, running harder suspension at the back, adding a couple of degrees of front wing and removing a couple of degrees from the rear so, if a similar situation occurred with his McLaren, he's asked for the same changes to be made, only to find those changes were way too aggressive on this car.

Certainly hard to believe that a gust of wind could cause it or you'd think we'd be seeing whole groups of cars getting blown off the track at various times during the year.
Anybody know if Alonso was alone on the track when this happened?
Was anybody else affected by this freak gust of wind?
Batch
26-02-2015
Originally Posted by Si_Crewe:
“ ...what sort of set-up tweaks are be required to optimise the McLaren ,,,”

Given testing to date, get out and push?

Sorry, not trivialising it, thankfully he's OK(ish) and on the mend. McLaren haven't released anything sinister behind the accident and I doubt a) they would cover it up b) let Jenson out in the car if there were any safety issues whatsoever. And they'd sure as hell screened FA health wise.

Racing accident.
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Hard to tell much from pre-season testing. Mercs will obviously be the ones to beat early on, wonder how much/if the gap has closed?
dearmrman
27-02-2015
Originally Posted by Si_Crewe:
“I wonder if it might be something to do with set-up?

I mean, Ferrari haven't exactly been renowned for building cars that handle well over the last few years so (without meaning to be derogatory), maybe Alonso isn't quite up to speed with what sort of set-up tweaks are be required to optimise the McLaren and, as a result, he's ended-up asking for something which made his car unstable?

I'm thinking of a scenario where, for example, at Ferrari he might've found that if the car lacked turn-in he could fix it by changing the ratio of the steering rack, running harder suspension at the back, adding a couple of degrees of front wing and removing a couple of degrees from the rear so, if a similar situation occurred with his McLaren, he's asked for the same changes to be made, only to find those changes were way too aggressive on this car.

Certainly hard to believe that a gust of wind could cause it or you'd think we'd be seeing whole groups of cars getting blown off the track at various times during the year.
Anybody know if Alonso was alone on the track when this happened?
Was anybody else affected by this freak gust of wind?”

One of the Ferrari's was behind him, think it was Vettel.
Assa2
27-02-2015
Right now the pecking order seems to be...

Mercedes
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Ferrari/Williams
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Everyone else.

Reports suggest the Renault engine has gone backwards in terms of performance in their attempts to make it reliable meaning Red Bull may just be a mid-field runner at the start of the season. I expect they'll be 4th behind the obvious top 3. The mid-filed should be very close this season, though. Right now McLaren need to treat the first fly-aways as testing sessions as they simply don't have a car ready to race.

Sadly, in terms of a competative spectacle, I think this season could turn out to be worse than last season.
Si_Crewe
27-02-2015
Originally Posted by Assa2:
“Right now the pecking order seems to be...

Mercedes
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Ferrari/Williams
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Everyone else.

Reports suggest the Renault engine has gone backwards in terms of performance in their attempts to make it reliable meaning Red Bull may just be a mid-field runner at the start of the season. I expect they'll be 4th behind the obvious top 3. The mid-filed should be very close this season, though. Right now McLaren need to treat the first fly-aways as testing sessions as they simply don't have a car ready to race.

Sadly, in terms of a competative spectacle, I think this season could turn out to be worse than last season.”

Any speculation on where Lotus fits in?

I mean, they were up there until they went with the silly "walrus" thing.
This year, with Merc' power and a more conventional chassis, one hopes they've got it all back together.

I sooo want to see Grosjean finishing ahead of Kimi.
ati_qtimporta
27-02-2015
Alonso uploaded this video to his youtube account thanking people for their support


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pxuVHLjuwkk
Pat_Smith
28-02-2015
Glad he's OK.

Hamilton on £50,000,000 now? Seriously, c'mon.
Si_Crewe
01-03-2015
Originally Posted by Pat_Smith:
“Glad he's OK.

Hamilton on £50,000,000 now? Seriously, c'mon.”

Hamilton is "on" whatever was agreed to when he signed for Merc' back in 2012.

He has, however, decided that he's going to try cutting his own deal, rather than relying on a management team to sort it out for him, during contract negotiations later on this year so expect tantrums while that's happening.
Si_Crewe
01-03-2015
Was just having a bit of a nose through some of the available information about this year's cars and it seems that, for reasons best known to themselves, McLaren have decided to forego the usual philosophy of mounting the rear suspension to the gearbox and, instead, have decided to move the lower wishbones backwards and bolt them to the rear crash structure, which has ended-up rather chunky in order to provide the required rigidity.

Wonder if Alonso's off was a sign that something isn't right with the rear of their car?
Si_Crewe
03-03-2015
Originally Posted by ati_qtimporta:
“Alonso uploaded this video to his youtube account thanking people for their support


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pxuVHLjuwkk”

Seems Alonso's not quite as okay as he claimed to be.

He's missing Oz now.
ati_qtimporta
03-03-2015
Originally Posted by Si_Crewe:
“Seems Alonso's not quite as okay as he claimed to be.

He's missing Oz now.”

Yes, bad news. Something smells in that accident.
Anyway, I hope he can be in the second race
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