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Official Formula 1 Thread (Part 8)
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Forza Ferrari
08-09-2015
Originally Posted by Assa2:
“What's to stop the other teams all starting their 2017 development early as well? Especialy if they think 2016 is a lost cause?”

Everbody seems to think that teams can just chuck in the towel early but's really not as simple as that. If you don't resolve your current issues there are lessons you never learn and they do relate to an extent. Then there are other reasons such as driver motivation, the image of your team and these days with so few sponsors interested in F1 the money from slipping a few WCC places cannot be risked.

Generally it is the teams in the best position right now can start to do other work early.
Javier_deVivre
08-09-2015
What a farce Sunday was. The FIA showing once again how incompetent they are. It's a completely unworkable rule and hey proved it on Sunday.

It is basic physics that air pressure is altered by the temperature. Even I know that the pressure of a tyre drops as the temperature drops. You would have thought someone would have twigged onto this when the tyres weren't at 110 degrees like they are when they are in the tyre warmers with them turned on.

Mercedes set the tyres to the correct pressure as required to when they tyres when in the tyre warmers, they complied with the rules and this was all caused by another rushed rule that has been put in place without a single thought of how to actual enforce it properly.

If you are going to have a minimum starting pressure, you either have to ensure the tyres are all at the same temperature when you measure the pressures, or you have the ability to compensate for the pressure drop that comes with lower temperatures.

But for them to know about it before the race started, and then to only do something about it over an hour into the race is disgraceful, especially if they try and claim it is a safety issue! If it is a safety issue why did they let them start the race?

I did feel a bit sorry for Pirelli up until this because they are getting a lot of abuse for creating tyres as they were asked to, but enforcing this higher pressure simply because Ferrari went to far on them at Spa resulting in the tyre failing because of wear is just taking the p!ss.
Ferrari and Vettel immediately went defensive blaming Pirelli for it when they only have themselves to blame for going with a one-stop strategy that pushed the tyres too far.

Rosberg's tyre failure was unfortunate, tyres can and do fail at times, Vettel's was self-inflicted by Ferrari.

Had Hamilton been stripped of the win I would seriously have just stopped watching altogether.
I will not think twice about it if this stupid tyre pressure rule continues to cause trouble.
Forza Ferrari
19-09-2015
Anyone still interested in F1, what did you all make of qualifying?
Assa2
19-09-2015
You've said enough this season how you're not interested anymore, so why should anyone respond to your obvious fishing?
TheToonArmy
19-09-2015
Originally Posted by Assa2:
“You've said enough this season how you're not interested anymore, so why should anyone respond to your obvious fishing?”

He slams F1 most of the season and says he's lost interest and then the team in red show some form and he's is back in love with it

Us true fans will watch til our dying day, not just when our team or driver does well
catsaregrey
19-09-2015
havent been able to see the practices or the qualifying this week. Have mercedes had problems on track or just having issues with their setup?
Mark F
19-09-2015
I still fancy Hamilton at least top be top 3 or even win!

Just seem to be off the pace TBH.
Forza Ferrari
19-09-2015
Originally Posted by catsaregrey:
“havent been able to see the practices or the qualifying this week. Have mercedes had problems on track or just having issues with their setup?”

Well it appears to be some set up issues and a tyre management problem, over heating the rears.

It really is a bit strange as Singapore is quite stop start so you would think there engine advantage would really help them.

The clarification on tyre pressure measurements mean Mercedes excuses from Monza will no longer be accepted so it is kind of funny that their cars are now 5th and 6th.

What I suspect might also be happening is Mercedes now have to do some engine conswevation. Rosberg had problems with two units at Monza I wonder if there is some doubt still about their new spec engine in higher power modes.

This wouldn't really explain why red bull did better though.
Forza Ferrari
19-09-2015
Originally Posted by Mark F:
“I still fancy Hamilton at least top be top 3 or even win!

Just seem to be off the pace TBH.”

Yeah you would expect them to move forward in the race. Although if it is tyre overheating that could get worse in the race. Their brakes looked very hot to.
nainz
20-09-2015
The mix up in the grid should at least give us some decent fighting in the race. But Vettel will still run away with it as long as his engine hold out.
Mystical123
20-09-2015
Originally Posted by catsaregrey:
“havent been able to see the practices or the qualifying this week. Have mercedes had problems on track or just having issues with their setup?”

I'm in Singapore for the GP and having watched practice from trackside the Mercs just didn't sound as good as the Red Bulls or Ferraris - it just doesn't seem as if their car works as well on this track as it does elsewhere. Damage limitation for Hamilton today, but I suspect the aim will just be to keep Rosberg behind and claw back a couple of positions towards inevitable winner Vettel if he can. They certainly can't afford a bad start here though!

The crowd is very partisan here - huge cheer when Vettel took pole, lots of laughing and cheering when Hamilton only managed 5th!
surfie
20-09-2015
Originally Posted by Forza Ferrari:
“Well it appears to be some set up issues and a tyre management problem, over heating the rears.

It really is a bit strange as Singapore is quite stop start so you would think there engine advantage would really help them.

The clarification on tyre pressure measurements mean Mercedes excuses from Monza will no longer be accepted so it is kind of funny that their cars are now 5th and 6th.

What I suspect might also be happening is Mercedes now have to do some engine conswevation. Rosberg had problems with two units at Monza I wonder if there is some doubt still about their new spec engine in higher power modes.

This wouldn't really explain why red bull did better though.”

It was mentioned on Sky F1 that Red Bull had raised the ride height in the back of their car to allow more air to go through the rear diffuser. They probably that better handling as a result.

What gets me though is the mockery of penalties for engine changes. Red Bull get penalised for 2 engine changes at Monza so they could have an engine for Singapore with no penalties.

The FIA need to really sort this out once and for all. Either go for one grid penalty for using more than one engine more what the teams are allowed during a season. Two consecutives grid penalties for using a second extra engine during a season. Then start deduction points from their constructors title points for using three or more extra engine.
Forza Ferrari
20-09-2015
Originally Posted by surfie:
“It was mentioned on Sky F1 that Red Bull had raised the ride height in the back of their car to allow more air to go through the rear diffuser. They probably that better handling as a result.

What gets me though is the mockery of penalties for engine changes. Red Bull get penalised for 2 engine changes at Monza so they could have an engine for Singapore with no penalties.”

Yeah it was strange that Red Bull went back to using high rack. It's as if they have discovered a new way to get the rear of the car to work or perhapes it is just due to there being no high speed corners.

Taking two engines at one GP is a farce and should not be allowed. McLaren Honda started that really they have abused every bit of good faith in the engine regulations.
Forza Ferrari
20-09-2015
Originally Posted by nainz:
“ But Vettel will still run away with it as long as his engine hold out.”

The Monza engine upgrades for Ferrari allow for extra power during qualifying and so all of Sebs pace might not carry over to the race.
BillyBatty
20-09-2015
Will there ever be a week when they don't interview Niki Lauda.
JSemple3
20-09-2015
Looks like Lewis might be struggling. Car's lost power.

Now he's gone
JSemple3
20-09-2015
Another safety car as a fan decided to go for a walk on the track
nainz
20-09-2015
It's been a terrible race in all honesty, poor track for overtaking, dodgy technology, long safety car periods and excessive tire management. Bernie's even been forced to throw a spectator on to the track to create a bit of excitement.
JSemple3
20-09-2015
Somehow the race finishes within the 2 hour limit
Forza Ferrari
20-09-2015
A better race today but not helped by the safety car. Riccardo possible lost out to the sc most. I think it would have been a tight battle with him and Vettel had the strategies been un interupted.

It would have beem good for F1 if a third team had won. Still not much interest in the WDC a shame Rosberg is having such a poor year.
natalian
21-09-2015
The most interesting aspect of the race for me was the controversy over team orders between Verstappen and Sainz at the end. I particularly enjoyed Eddie Jordan lecturing Verstappen during the post race interview along the lines of "how dare you disobey orders, if I was your boss I would kick your arse".

I have never really bought into the 'team orders' thing as it does seem to go against the spirit of fair competition given that it is an individual sport as well as a team one. Particularly in this case, switching the cars around would have resulted in the same points for the team just with the cars finishing in a different order.
Forza Ferrari
21-09-2015
TR are baking Max for ignoring the order. Sainz hadn't let him through earlier in the race he just thought Max should move over because he had a better chance of passing the Force India.

Not sure why the age of the tyres were at that point but Max didn't think his team mate had any more chance of passing than he did and so refused the order.
gomezz
21-09-2015
I am in two minds over the Massa / Hulkenberg clash. On the one hand Nico was wrong to turn into a car that was already there but on the other hand it is Felipe that should have given way to Nico because: a) he was the one exiting the pits (they normally have a blue flag/light showing at the pit exit); and b) if he had got there from a normal dive up the inside from an on track lunge he would clearly have been in the wrong. The main culprit is the layout of the pit exit and blend line of course, they need to do something about that.
Jimez
21-09-2015
Bit of a boring race, apart from the wandering spectator, it was predictable. The top 3 never felt threatened in terms of anyone overtaking them, it was like they wanted the safety car to come into effect.
gemma-the-husky
21-09-2015
Mercedes must be concerned. It would be easy to see Vettel winning the championship from this point.
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