Originally Posted by Hoffmister:
“We reflect this weekend in the memory of Jules.JB17”
“We reflect this weekend in the memory of Jules.JB17”
Can't say that better.
Official Formula 1 Thread (Part 8)
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I quite enjoyed it.
The race was fairly straightforward for Hamilton but there was plenty of action throughout the field.
Interesting radio comm's from both Button and Alonso.
That probably isn't what Honda were hoping to hear at their home race but at least their cars finished the race.
At one point it looked as though Vettel might re-catch Rosberg and that was good news for Ferrari's competitiveness but then he dropped back again.
I wish somebody had asked Vettel about that to find out what was going on.
The race was fairly straightforward for Hamilton but there was plenty of action throughout the field.
Interesting radio comm's from both Button and Alonso.
That probably isn't what Honda were hoping to hear at their home race but at least their cars finished the race.
At one point it looked as though Vettel might re-catch Rosberg and that was good news for Ferrari's competitiveness but then he dropped back again.
I wish somebody had asked Vettel about that to find out what was going on.
Originally Posted by Aslan52:
“I quite enjoyed it.
The race was fairly straightforward for Hamilton but there was plenty of action throughout the field.
Interesting radio comm's from both Button and Alonso.
That probably isn't what Honda were hoping to hear at their home race but at least their cars finished the race.
At one point it looked as though Vettel might re-catch Rosberg and that was good news for Ferrari's competitiveness but then he dropped back again.
I wish somebody had asked Vettel about that to find out what was going on.”
“I quite enjoyed it.
The race was fairly straightforward for Hamilton but there was plenty of action throughout the field.
Interesting radio comm's from both Button and Alonso.
That probably isn't what Honda were hoping to hear at their home race but at least their cars finished the race.
At one point it looked as though Vettel might re-catch Rosberg and that was good news for Ferrari's competitiveness but then he dropped back again.
I wish somebody had asked Vettel about that to find out what was going on.”
I agree I enjoyed it, the first 10 laps there wasn't a lot going on but after than, plenty of battles around
Originally Posted by Aslan52:
“I wish somebody had asked Vettel about that to find out what was going on.”
“I wish somebody had asked Vettel about that to find out what was going on.”
Rosberg fuel saving or engine saving will likely the answer to that I think.
Rosberg was terrible today terrible start which allowed hamilton to push him off the track. Then he did nothing much from there ended up 2nd as it is the cars default position.
Vettel solid 3rd unable to stay with the mercedes and so not much hope there.
Red Bull could have given Ferrari a race if they didn't screw up. Watching the red bulls mucking around with Perez and some slow saubers and mclarens I don't really find entertaining.
Thinking about Button and Alonso they should think about going to Haas at least it won't be a Honda engine.
Originally Posted by Forza Ferrari:
“PSA: The race was super dull if you haven't watched this yet consider saving the time.”
“PSA: The race was super dull if you haven't watched this yet consider saving the time.”
But if the race had been exactly the same in every respect except that the lead car had been painted red you would be saying that it was an amazingly exciting race!
There is feud brewing with eccelstone and Mercedes. Apparently Bernie arranged for the Mercedes not to appear on screen due to them refusing to supply red bull with engines.
Originally Posted by Forza Ferrari:
“Nope.”
“Nope.”
Yeah, you would have called it the best race ever, do you fancy a prawn sarnie ?
"There is feud brewing with eccelstone and Mercedes. Apparently Bernie arranged for the Mercedes not to appear on screen due to them refusing to supply red bull with engines."
This seems to be a popular theory at the moment but I suspect it's more likely that it's merely a result of the Mercedes cars not being involved in a lot of close racing during the last couple of events.
With all the rumours circulating that Helmut Marko is keen to buy out Ecclestone and turn the whole of F1 into a "Red Bull" event, the idea that Ecclestone might already be in cahoots with Red Bull is something that no F1 fan should be in favour of.
This seems to be a popular theory at the moment but I suspect it's more likely that it's merely a result of the Mercedes cars not being involved in a lot of close racing during the last couple of events.
With all the rumours circulating that Helmut Marko is keen to buy out Ecclestone and turn the whole of F1 into a "Red Bull" event, the idea that Ecclestone might already be in cahoots with Red Bull is something that no F1 fan should be in favour of.
Originally Posted by Aslan52:
“"There is feud brewing with eccelstone and Mercedes. Apparently Bernie arranged for the Mercedes not to appear on screen due to them refusing to supply red bull with engines."
This seems to be a popular theory at the moment but I suspect it's more likely that it's merely a result of the Mercedes cars not being involved in a lot of close racing during the last couple of events.
With all the rumours circulating that Helmut Marko is keen to buy out Ecclestone and turn the whole of F1 into a "Red Bull" event, the idea that Ecclestone might already be in cahoots with Red Bull is something that no F1 fan should be in favour of.”
“"There is feud brewing with eccelstone and Mercedes. Apparently Bernie arranged for the Mercedes not to appear on screen due to them refusing to supply red bull with engines."
This seems to be a popular theory at the moment but I suspect it's more likely that it's merely a result of the Mercedes cars not being involved in a lot of close racing during the last couple of events.
With all the rumours circulating that Helmut Marko is keen to buy out Ecclestone and turn the whole of F1 into a "Red Bull" event, the idea that Ecclestone might already be in cahoots with Red Bull is something that no F1 fan should be in favour of.”
If true i can see the teams doing that threat of breaking away and form there own championship
Originally Posted by Forza Ferrari:
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Thinking about Button and Alonso they should think about going to Haas at least it won't be a Honda engine.”
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Thinking about Button and Alonso they should think about going to Haas at least it won't be a Honda engine.”
We're due for an announcement on Tuesday from Haas, so it's a tad late for them. Apparently Grosjean & one of Ferrari's development drivers are joining them next year.
Originally Posted by simongvs70:
“We're due for an announcement on Tuesday from Haas, so it's a tad late for them. Apparently Grosjean & one of Ferrari's development drivers are joining them next year.”
“We're due for an announcement on Tuesday from Haas, so it's a tad late for them. Apparently Grosjean & one of Ferrari's development drivers are joining them next year.”
Rossi perhapes. Not sure if he is as good as they say. I find GP2 drivers hard to judge. A lot of them are great one year and then poor the next. It seems the worst thing you can do after being GP2 champ is more GP2.
Originally Posted by Aslan52:
“This seems to be a popular theory at the moment but I suspect it's more likely that it's merely a result of the Mercedes cars not being involved in a lot of close racing during the last couple of events.”
“This seems to be a popular theory at the moment but I suspect it's more likely that it's merely a result of the Mercedes cars not being involved in a lot of close racing during the last couple of events.”
Could be but apparently they were only on for 6mins, not even a full merc pit stop shown. So it looks like a real snub bernie has done this before to other teams.
Originally Posted by Forza Ferrari:
“Rossi perhapes. Not sure if he is as good as they say. I find GP2 drivers hard to judge. A lot of them are great one year and then poor the next. It seems the worst thing you can do after being GP2 champ is more GP2.”
“Rossi perhapes. Not sure if he is as good as they say. I find GP2 drivers hard to judge. A lot of them are great one year and then poor the next. It seems the worst thing you can do after being GP2 champ is more GP2.”
Once you've won the GP2 championship you aren't allowed to race in GP2 again. Do you think Palmer chose to sit on his backside other than the odd FP1 for Lotus rather than defend his title and do the odd F1 practice like others do?
Bernie needs to be careful. According to Lauda it's Red Bull's fault they aren't getting Merc engines. He claimed he met with Mateschitz to discuss a deal but Mateschitz made so many demands in the meeting and then never actually followed it up so the board decided to give their spare customer engine to Manor. If Bernie thinks a drinks company are essential to F1 he'll realise pretty quickly that F1 needs Mercedes a lot more than Mercedes needs F1.
Nikki Lauda is in a very intertesting and powerful position in F1 at the moment as a power broker. Apart from his obvious relationship with Mercedes he has close ties to Ferrari and Mclaren as a former WDC winner with both and some sort of relationship with Red Bull based on the Austrian connection. Then you have Berger who is virtually a clone of Lauda except without the titles or the employment at the moment (or likely in the future now). What is it with these Austrians?
Nikki Lauda is in a very intertesting and powerful position in F1 at the moment as a power broker. Apart from his obvious relationship with Mercedes he has close ties to Ferrari and Mclaren as a former WDC winner with both and some sort of relationship with Red Bull based on the Austrian connection. Then you have Berger who is virtually a clone of Lauda except without the titles or the employment at the moment (or likely in the future now). What is it with these Austrians?
So according to Ron Dennis after the race, once Sky had stopped beating him up verbally, both Button and Alonso will be driving Mclarens next season. Good to get that all sorted then. Button's language after the race seemed to be much more about next season so I believe he is sorted i.e. Dennis finally stopped trying to renegotiate Button's pay rise. I'm not so sure Alonso is as cut and dry, though. Dennis may think a contract is a contract (despite trying to ignore the contract he had with Button) but Alonso had a three year contract with Mclaren once before and look how that ended.
I thought it was a bit unfair the way the BBC got an off-the-cuff comment from Lauda and then went scurrying straight to Button with it to "confront" him.
Lauda said something about how Button is the best driver in F1 in the wet, one of the best overall and that Ron just needs to pay him the money and get him in the car next year.
The BBC scurried straight to Button and said "Niki Lauda says that Ron refuses to pay you what your contract stipulates and that's why you might be retiring. Is that true?" which forced Button to say that he hadn't spoken to Lauda so he had no idea where he'd got that idea.
Of course, Lauda wasn't really suggesting that he had any inside information and was only stating the opinion that Button is a decent driver and Dennis should try and do what he can to keep him in F1.
I wouldn't be surprised if Dennis is trying to renegotiate Button's contract but, in fairness, the point that Dennis was trying to make was that Button also has a performance-related clause in his contract which allows him to walk away from McLaren if they fail to deliver a competitive car so Button might decide to retire regardless of the financial situation.
It seems likely that Alonso also has a similar clause in his contract too so Dennis is probably aware that McLaren's current performance allows both of the his drivers to quit.
The only thing that's really open to "spin" is that Dennis might be trying to give people the impression that it's all about money because that'd save him having to admit that both his drivers decided to quit because the car was hopeless.
I was never a big fan of Lauda but I get the distinct impression that he's not an outright liar.
I wouldn't trust anything that people like Christian Horner, Helmut Marko or Ron Dennis might say but I get the impression that Lauda would choose not to say anything rather than saying something that was a lie.
I always think that you can tell when there's something iffy happening at Mercedes because that's when Lauda resorts to saying things like "I have no idea about that. You tell me!"
Lauda said something about how Button is the best driver in F1 in the wet, one of the best overall and that Ron just needs to pay him the money and get him in the car next year.
The BBC scurried straight to Button and said "Niki Lauda says that Ron refuses to pay you what your contract stipulates and that's why you might be retiring. Is that true?" which forced Button to say that he hadn't spoken to Lauda so he had no idea where he'd got that idea.
Of course, Lauda wasn't really suggesting that he had any inside information and was only stating the opinion that Button is a decent driver and Dennis should try and do what he can to keep him in F1.
I wouldn't be surprised if Dennis is trying to renegotiate Button's contract but, in fairness, the point that Dennis was trying to make was that Button also has a performance-related clause in his contract which allows him to walk away from McLaren if they fail to deliver a competitive car so Button might decide to retire regardless of the financial situation.
It seems likely that Alonso also has a similar clause in his contract too so Dennis is probably aware that McLaren's current performance allows both of the his drivers to quit.
The only thing that's really open to "spin" is that Dennis might be trying to give people the impression that it's all about money because that'd save him having to admit that both his drivers decided to quit because the car was hopeless.
I was never a big fan of Lauda but I get the distinct impression that he's not an outright liar.
I wouldn't trust anything that people like Christian Horner, Helmut Marko or Ron Dennis might say but I get the impression that Lauda would choose not to say anything rather than saying something that was a lie.
I always think that you can tell when there's something iffy happening at Mercedes because that's when Lauda resorts to saying things like "I have no idea about that. You tell me!"
Originally Posted by simongvs70:
“We're due for an announcement on Tuesday from Haas, so it's a tad late for them. Apparently Grosjean & one of Ferrari's development drivers are joining them next year.”
“We're due for an announcement on Tuesday from Haas, so it's a tad late for them. Apparently Grosjean & one of Ferrari's development drivers are joining them next year.”
According to Sky F1 it's liable to be Esteban Gutiérrez as the second driver for Haas. This would tie in with the links Haas has to Ferrari as Gutiérrez is a Ferrari test driver.
Originally Posted by Aslan52:
“I was never a big fan of Lauda but I get the distinct impression that he's not an outright liar.
I wouldn't trust anything that people like Christian Horner, Helmut Marko or Ron Dennis might say but I get the impression that Lauda would choose not to say anything rather than saying something that was a lie.
I always think that you can tell when there's something iffy happening at Mercedes because that's when Lauda resorts to saying things like "I have no idea about that. You tell me!"”
“I was never a big fan of Lauda but I get the distinct impression that he's not an outright liar.
I wouldn't trust anything that people like Christian Horner, Helmut Marko or Ron Dennis might say but I get the impression that Lauda would choose not to say anything rather than saying something that was a lie.
I always think that you can tell when there's something iffy happening at Mercedes because that's when Lauda resorts to saying things like "I have no idea about that. You tell me!"”
I think Mercedes in general have the idea they can hide things from the world. How funny was totto wolf after the GP at Monza. No no we can't tell you what the speeding up at the end was about. Ted was perplexed as the GP was over already. Mercedes had been contacted by the FIA about their tyre pressures already and so telling the truth would hake no difference. Default position though was to try and hide it.
Really the truth is you can't trust anything people in F1 say. Even when they tell the truth they only do so from a certain point of view.
I think it was fairly obvious that they told Hamilton to speed up at the end of Monza because they hoped to create a gap which might exceed any possible time penalty.
It seems a little unfair to suggest that everybody involved in F1 is equally untrustworthy.
I'm sure that most of them will be evasive at times but not everybody has lied about things in the same way that people like Ron Dennis and Flavio Briatore have in the past.
It seems a little unfair to suggest that everybody involved in F1 is equally untrustworthy.
I'm sure that most of them will be evasive at times but not everybody has lied about things in the same way that people like Ron Dennis and Flavio Briatore have in the past.
You may be right but I cannot see how it would work. Red Bull would have to sell the teams and stop sponsoring otherwise it would be a clear conflict of interest. I can't see the other teams wanting Red Bull to own the sport anyway. Red Bull aren't in F1 to make money so why would they want to become the commercial owner? The only reason is to exert control over the sport's direction.
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