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Official Formula 1 Thread (Part 8)
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BinaryDad
11-10-2015
Originally Posted by Aslan52:
“Noticed there was a bit of booing for Hamilton on the podium.
Never nice when that happens.”

Thought I heard that too. Not sure if it's aimed at him or Merc's dominance, or knowing Russia, it could be a bit of both.

Oh well....these things happen. It's not nice, but y'know, this stuff happens everywhere. I was at the Nüburgring in 2013, and witnessed a bunch of angry muttering and not so quietly spoke racial slurs when Hamilton took pole from Vettel in the dying moments of quali.

Idiots will be idiots.
jenzie
11-10-2015
what a crazy second half to that race

grosjean was very unlucky to crash, he over compensated the back sliding where he should have just straightened the front, instead oppositing the correction ..... therefore when the correction was completed he was facing out the corner, and at his speed he was on the marbles in zero time. however that may have actually saved him from a really nasty crash into the barriers as that caused him to start spinning, and hitting them with the rear end then all that forward energy dissipating into the spin!

poor carlos sainz, he'll remember that weekend for a while, and raikonnen should be DQ'd for that unbelievable lunge at the last lap, no wonder bottas was cursing him

hamilton is world champion all in name now, is that the first fly-by-wire throttle failure of the hybrid era?
Aslan52
11-10-2015
I wouldn't be surprised if Grosjean suffered a puncture prior to his crash.

The car looked like it was "sitting down" at the back and it was a bit weird the way the tyre came off the wheel.
Don't think I've ever seen that happen before.

A shame that Mercedes took the Constructors title due to a stewards decision and deprived everybody of seeing the celebrations.
It might have been better to give Raikkonen a grid penalty for the next race instead.
He certainly deserved a penalty of some kind though.

I only hope that Mercedes securing the title doesn't lead to Rosberg deciding that it's okay for him do silly things in the remaining races.
jenzie
11-10-2015
WHAT A KOP OUT by the FIA, what the bloody hell are they only giving raikonnen a three place penalty?????

WHAT A JOKE!
Forza Ferrari
11-10-2015
Originally Posted by Aslan52:
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I only hope that Mercedes securing the title doesn't lead to Rosberg deciding that it's okay for him do silly things in the remaining races.”

Hardly. Anyway one more broken car for Rosberg and it would be all over so think mercedes will finish it at the next GP.

Hope it's concluded before Abudabi would be great not to have to watch that one at all.
TheToonArmy
11-10-2015
Originally Posted by Forza Ferrari:
“Hardly. Anyway one more broken car for Rosberg and it would be all over so think mercedes will finish it at the next GP.

Hope it's concluded before Abudabi would be great not to have to watch that one at all.”


Ferrari fan at their worst, how unsporting can you get.

You are saying one more broken car then it's all over for Roaberg, implying Merc will fix it for LH to win.

You are one sour immature F1 fan, the black, Yes I say BLACK British driver is going to win the championship from being the best F1 driver on the grid.

you are no true F1 fan
alanwarwic
11-10-2015
We know Rosberg is more prone to mistakes. And funnily enough, it does leave one wondering if sharp braking for the safety car caused the throttle break.
gulliverfoyle
11-10-2015
the Merc steamroller continues well apart from those duff tires in Singapore

2 years into the hybrid years and the 0.7s lap gap continues

Lewis has Nico beat, so time to get Fred into a Merc

let RBR go they never were a proper motoracing team

3 cars for merc and jobs a good un
gulliverfoyle
11-10-2015
Originally Posted by alanwarwic:
“We know Rosberg is more prone to mistakes. And funnily enough, it does leave one wondering if sharp braking for the safety car caused the throttle break.”

its just a potentiometer

braking has no effect on it
Forza Ferrari
11-10-2015
Originally Posted by jenzie:
“what a crazy second half to that race

grosjean was very unlucky to crash, he over compensated the back sliding where he should have just straightened the front, instead oppositing the correction ..... therefore when the correction was completed he was facing out the corner, and at his speed he was on the marbles in zero time.”

The Grossjean crash to me is unacceptable I don't think he over compensated the amount of grip on the front varied through the corner. He put in a steering correction proportionate to the grip he was feeling from the car.

The problem is he went straight from a simple oversteer moment to the medical centre because there was no run off at the corner.

I would really like to see F1 stop going to Sochi.
Forza Ferrari
11-10-2015
Originally Posted by gulliverfoyle:
“the Merc steamroller continues well apart from those duff tires in Singapore

2 years into the hybrid years and the 0.7s lap gap continues

Lewis has Nico beat, so time to get Fred into a Merc

let RBR go they never were a proper motoracing team

3 cars for merc and jobs a good un”

Yeah the gap is still bad. It will never change while all the teams are regulated to doing the same amount of engine development every year.

Rosberg has underperformed this year. He doesn't even appear bothered by it. He's lost a competitive edge. It could come back but I don't see it. I think his career has peaked and is going into the racing for cash mode.

Who was Fread again this was one of Brundles jokes wasn't it.
gulliverfoyle
11-10-2015
Originally Posted by Forza Ferrari:
“Yeah the gap is still bad. It will never change while all the teams are regulated to doing the same amount of engine development every year.

Rosberg has underperformed this year. He doesn't even appear bothered by it. He's lost a competitive edge. It could come back but I don't see it. I think his career has peaked and is going into the racing for cash mode.

Who was Fread again this was one of Brundles jokes wasn't it.”

fred = fernando
Forza Ferrari
11-10-2015
Originally Posted by gulliverfoyle:
“fred = fernando”

Alonso is saying he will finish his career at Mclaren now.

I don't understand Alonso any more. I think there has been times when he drives with pain. Would be surprised if he pared with hamilton again but I was surprised when he went back to mclaren.

The mclaren situation isn't going to get better soon they are almost saying it now.

Alonso is getting wasted, Vettel is somewhat utilised, Ricciardo is getting wasted. F1 is starting to become a place were driver tallent isn't really being show cased. Like last year DR showed what he is made of but then this year is a wast for him.

So some big changes needed and I think engine equalisation needs to come in to it.
Hoffmister
11-10-2015
Poo-Tin in the winning drivers cool off room demanding a handshake ...umm at that point I would be happy I had a Honda unit & not have to interact with that @@@@@@@@@@@s I mean lovely sane man.( Who did Mr BE sell his soul too ?)

Nico tried and failed to take out lewis..

JB called Carlos on his rule break crossing the pit line..not poor form poster above, we rejoiced he was ok sat but today he is racing and fair game.

Felt for Botas, he was taken out by a rookie .. oh wait
Aslan52
12-10-2015
Originally Posted by Hoffmister:
“Poo-Tin in the winning drivers cool off room demanding a handshake ...umm at that point I would be happy I had a Honda unit & not have to interact with that @@@@@@@@@@@s I mean lovely sane man.( Who did Mr BE sell his soul too ?)”

I noticed that too.

Of the three drivers in there I think Vettel is probably the "edgiest" and I was cringing in case he decided to take the opportunity to make some barbed comment about politics, human rights or military operations.
Nobody wants to see a 4-time champion contract a strange and mysterious case of polonium poisoning.

I suppose I can put up with having politicians handing out the silverware but it seems unfair to inflict them on sportspeople any more than that.
Aslan52
12-10-2015
Originally Posted by gulliverfoyle:
“its just a potentiometer

braking has no effect on it”

It wasn't an electrical component that failed.

Wolff said it was a small mechanical part of the throttle assembly that had broken.


If Rosberg deliberately did something in an attempt to harm Hamilton's race - such as standing on the brakes at the apex of turn 4 or stamping on the throttle to break traction - it might have damaged the throttle assembly but it'd also surely show up on the telemetry and he'd probably be in for a roasting from the team.

As it is, I think he just saw the yellow flags, got to the apex of turn 4 and took his foot right off the throttle in the hope that it'd cause a shunt behind him.
I suspect somebody will have a word with him about that too.
Hoffmister
12-10-2015
Originally Posted by Aslan52:
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Of the three drivers in there I think Vettel is probably the "edgiest" and I was cringing in case he decided to take the opportunity to make some barbed comment about politics, human rights or military operations.
Nobody wants to see a 4-time champion contract a strange and mysterious case of polonium poisoning.
”


If only Seb had given him the finger.. would of been worth the risk of a poison jab from a pointy umbrella.

Was it my imaginatoin that the red cars and mercs werent the editors favs?
Forza Ferrari
12-10-2015
Remember though when it comes to F1 taking money to race in countries with poor human rights records sport and politics have nothing to do with each other.
Forza Ferrari
12-10-2015
Originally Posted by Hoffmister:
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If only Seb had given him the finger.. would of been worth the risk of a poison jab from a pointy umbrella.

Was it my imaginatoin that the red cars and mercs werent the editors favs?”

Well one silver car not put together right and out. The other first all by its self, nothing to see there.

Seb we saw while he was racing Bottas then he was pretty much solid 2nd.

Kimi saw plenty of him as he was in the action until the end. Pretty much just the race director doing their job I think.
jmclaugh
12-10-2015
Bad luck for Rosberg and also Bottas, Raikkonen must have caught a dose of podiumitus. Meanwhile Alonso with an upgraded engine finishes behind Button.
Javier_deVivre
12-10-2015
Originally Posted by Aslan52:
“That wasn't intended as a serious suggestion. I was merely poking fun at the way the Red Bulls are plastered with Infiniti stickers despite them having no real involvement in the car, the engine or the sport. ”

Just like the Lotus stickers on the Enstone care then...

Neither are technical partners and are purely just sponsors (in Lotus' case as sponsor that no longer pays...).

Originally Posted by Aslan52:
“Interesting to hear Claire Williams tell DC "We need to help our engine supplier bring home the Constructors championship today".
She obviously knows which side her bread is buttered - not that there's anything wrong with that.

It'll probably be a bit worrying for Ferrari to think that Mercedes customer-teams ARE aware that they have a role to play in helping their engine supplier though.

Of course, "helping Mercedes" means finishing ahead of the Ferraris so it's not like there's any real conflict of interests so it's all good.”

Ironically, in a way they did, by having one of their cars punted out by a Ferrari resulting in a penalty.
Kimi taking out Bottas and getting a penalty meant he got less points than he would have had he finished behind him.
Javier_deVivre
12-10-2015
Originally Posted by TheToonArmy:
“It was quite a dangerous place to slow down for a SC, during and out of a corner.

drive out of the corner then gradually slow down would have been a better way to do it

Good avoiding by LH and KR, Rosberg could have caused quite a pile up”

I really do not know what they hell he was playing at there. That could have quite easily been a multiple car crash there as they all concertina'd up.

Originally Posted by NLoyall:
“So nice to see the drivers have a bit of a laugh afterwards esp Lewis, seems like whenever Rosberg is in with him its all subdued.”

Whenever the two of them are in there with another driver, Rosberg always seems to start talking to the other driver in a mutual language, almost as if he is doing it on purpose to exclude Hamilton knowing he doesn't speak the language.
Javier_deVivre
12-10-2015
Originally Posted by Aslan52:
“I wouldn't be surprised if Grosjean suffered a puncture prior to his crash.

The car looked like it was "sitting down" at the back and it was a bit weird the way the tyre came off the wheel.
Don't think I've ever seen that happen before.

A shame that Mercedes took the Constructors title due to a stewards decision and deprived everybody of seeing the celebrations.
It might have been better to give Raikkonen a grid penalty for the next race instead.
He certainly deserved a penalty of some kind though.

I only hope that Mercedes securing the title doesn't lead to Rosberg deciding that it's okay for him do silly things in the remaining races.”

To me it didn't look like a puncture. Just a lack of traction causing the initial slide out, then he got onto the marbles and it was game over.
Due to the corner that corner of the car would be under load so would be sitting down.

As for Raikkonen's penalty. I would rather they applied any penalties to the race weekend it happened where possible. He made the mistake at Russia, so the result of the race should be affected, not the race after where he could have a mistake free weekend but be punished.
Aslan52
12-10-2015
Originally Posted by Javier_deVivre:
“To me it didn't look like a puncture. Just a lack of traction causing the initial slide out, then he got onto the marbles and it was game over.
Due to the corner that corner of the car would be under load so would be sitting down.

As for Raikkonen's penalty. I would rather they applied any penalties to the race weekend it happened where possible. He made the mistake at Russia, so the result of the race should be affected, not the race after where he could have a mistake free weekend but be punished.”

Looking at the slow-motion replays, it didn't appear that Grosjean's tyre was "wobbly" or moving around on the rim which usually happens when there's a puncture.
The car just seemed to have a rather awkward stance in the corner, as if the camber was wrong or a tyre was at low pressure.

And, as I said, I can't recall seeing a tyre come off a rim like that before.
Inflated tyres are locked to the rim and regularly stay attached to the wheel in much harsher impacts.
Perhaps Grosjean suffered a puncture during the crash and that's what allowed the tyre to come off the rim?


Regarding penalties, I'm not sure what they should do for the best.
On the one hand I agree with you that it'd be nice if drivers didn't enter each new race with penalties "hanging over them" but on the other hand I also think that it undermines the sport to have the result of a race decided hours after the cars have finished racing by a group of people in an office.

Overall, I think it's better if the results on-track stand as a result (exceptional circumstances aside) and then teams & drivers get a penalty at the next race.
That way a casual spectator isn't left with any confusion as to what's happened and the more informed fans are likely to understand why a driver has a penalty at the following race.
Assa2
12-10-2015
Really not sure what's going to happen with Red Bull now. Eclestone seems confident an engine deal will be done but I really can't see it happening. I suppose Ferrari might finally agree to a deal but only when they're sure it's actually too late for Red Bull to properly integrate it into their 2016 chassis. I really do think in that scenario Mateschitz will walk away. Worst case is they leave and Mercedes & Ferrari have to run 3rd cars. I suspect Mclaren & Renault (if they get the deal done with Lotus) wouldn't be adverse to running an extra car either.
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