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Yea naughty schoolboy breaks the rules do they punish him?
No they change the rules, If I was Mark Webber I would want to get out of that team ASAP!! I wonder if Webber and Hamilton are starting to wish this had all kicked-off a year earlier? RBR now muttering about having an option on Raikkonen for next season. I bet that'd keep Vettel awake at night. Some strange results from FP in China. Lots of spins, lots of tyre graining and lots of reports of tyres doing odd things and yet, somehow, the FP times are within a second of last year's pole-position time. Not sure if that's cos they've improved the aero' and are making up time on the long straight or, perhaps, they're all trying to run less wing which is killing the tyres more quickly but it seems odd that they're going so quickly even though they don't seem to like how the cars are working. Early days but Massa ahead of Alonso too. Again.
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I get the feeling that if Webber and Vettel are racing each other at any point from now on it will be no-holds-barred and to hell with any orders the team tries to give them. I will not be at all surprised to see a coming-together in the next few races. It may even get to the point where RB decide to drop Webber.
This race looks like a bit of a lottery TBH because of the tyres. Massa is looking really strong although Alonso may not have been pushing 100% on any of his quick laps. It's going to be a really hard race to call I think. |
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I get the feeling that if Webber and Vettel are racing each other at any point from now on it will be no-holds-barred and to hell with any orders the team tries to give them. I will not be at all surprised to see a coming-together in the next few races. It may even get to the point where RB decide to drop Webber.....
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I get the feeling that if Webber and Vettel are racing each other at any point from now on it will be no-holds-barred and to hell with any orders the team tries to give them. I will not be at all surprised to see a coming-together in the next few races. It may even get to the point where RB decide to drop Webber.
I can't help thinking the the "Vettel camp" is hoping that Webber is going to roll over immediately as a means of trying to get himself a contract for next year. TBH, I think Webber is a straighforward sort of guy who'll be thinking "f**k it, I'm not going to stay at a team where I don't get a fair shot" but he'll also be thinking that a #2 seat in RBR is better than a seat at Caterham or nowhere at all. Raikkonen to RBR and Webber to Lotus for 2014? |
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Yes, I can see that it is going to end in tears. Mark will feel that he needs to return the 'favour' back to Seb when the opportunity arises and it wouldn't surprise me if happens this Sunday.
I can't see Kimi and Vettel in the same team, Kimi would rip his head off; I'd be surprised if anyone other than Lotus took a chance on him... maybe Mclaren in an act of desperation now they've seen Perez and Button with an average car. |
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No they change the rules, If I was Mark Webber I would want to get out of that team ASAP!!
I'm now half expecting him to now have a very slow car. Obviously they are now quite likely to wipe each other out if they are more equal. . |
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My suspicious mind saw a slow pit stop recent(1st GP maybe) that I wondered if was intended to get Vettel ahead.
I'm now half expecting him to now have a very slow car. Obviously they are now quite likely to wipe each other out if they are more equal. . I do, however, think that the boffins at RBR will be working overtime to figure out different strategies to achieve the same thing at each race. This weekend, for example, I'd bet my house that both RBR drivers won't be doing the same number of pit-stops. |
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If I were Mark Webber I'd be hugely regretting not getting out of RBR at the end of last season, it's not as if any of this is really surprising. But then again he probably didn't have any other real options, which is going to be his issue again at the end of this season unless Raikkonen leaves Lotus (and even then Webber might not be first choice). The difference being that this year he might not have the option to stay on at RBR...
I wonder if McLaren, given Perez's slightly inauspicious start to the season, are wishing they'd given Webber a twilight year or two in their car - they might actually have got somewhere in the constructors' championship and left RBR with the less convenient situation of bedding in a new driver. Then McL could have developed a couple of drivers through their academy to be waiting in the wings for Button and Webber to retire. Instead this year could well be a write-off as Perez is clearly going to take some time to settle in... |
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I wonder if McLaren, given Perez's slightly inauspicious start to the season, are wishing they'd given Webber a twilight year or two in their car - they might actually have got somewhere in the constructors' championship and left RBR with the less convenient situation of bedding in a new driver. Then McL could have developed a couple of drivers through their academy to be waiting in the wings for Button and Webber to retire. Instead this year could well be a write-off as Perez is clearly going to take some time to settle in...
Not actually sure why it'd be such a terrible idea to have 2 guys like Button and Webber. They're not exactly decrepit at age 33 and 36, respectively, but that just seems to be the way teams work. I can't help wondering if money has a lot to do with it. I mean, these teams buy options on a whole heap of young drivers and once they're a "proper" F1 driver their value probably goes through the roof so they can be sold on at huge profit. Having two old farts sitting in your cars, accumulating cobwebs, means that you're not actually "levelling up" any of your junior drivers so you can make that money out of them. |
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A thrilling quali so far. Just as I say that Bianchi comes out.
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It really does seem to be getting a bit stupid with the tyres now.
It seems like the soft tyre won't even last for a whole lap and the teams have been testing to see which sector gives the biggest advantage so they can, presumably, take it a bit easy in the first sector so they'll have grip left for the end of the lap. That can't be the way F1 cars/tyres should be, can it? |
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Sabotage? I did see Vettel looking suspicious...
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Surprised more of them didn't consider doing Q3 on the hard tyre.
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Great lap from Lewis, the biggest surprise was Kimi's pace. Webber must be annoyed to be 14th.
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I always trusted the move
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Nice to see Hamilton and Button chatting after quali'.
Strange quali' really. Not much in the way of "edge of the seat" stuff. Almost like the old "1 flying lap" system, done informally. |
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Bit of a disappointing Q3 today. I wish teams were compelled to do a least a couple of flying laps. I know it's all tactical but we also have paying spectators and a viewing public.
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Bit of a disappointing Q3 today. I wish teams were compelled to do a least a couple of flying laps. I know it's all tactical but we also have paying spectators and a viewing public.
Nice to see 3 top drivers at the top though, will make for an interesting for 5 laps. |
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Eddie's back
. But he's a bit subdued with Susie Perry - cold body-language in the heat of China ![]() And when Coulthard joins them they're all a bit downbeat .I'd love to know how much the BBC offered Jake Humphries to continue! I spose he just got fed up with the travelling and no amount of money would make him stay. |
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To echo what someone said earlier it looks like it all comes down to the tyres... Vettel's actions (well that of RBR as well) speak volumes of that... to not bother even coming out in Q3.
Nice to see 3 top drivers at the top though, will make for an interesting for 5 laps. The 5 lap point mentioned and then also near the end of the race when those who haven't used the soft option have to come in to change. |
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Looking at Qualifying results... This is just totaly unexpected order. Tyre play? Edit: Sorry stupid ads on image hosting service. Link removed. I appologize. |
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Looking at Qualifying results... This is just totaly unexpected order. Tyre play?
Beyond that, there wasn't anything terrifically surprising. Webber had a problem in Q2 and RBR decided not to run Vettel in Q3 so they could choose tyres. Be (vaguely) interesting to see how the race turns out. I mean, if you're not going to start on the options and then run primes for the rest of the race, the logical choice is to leave the options right to the end so you can run the lighter car for longer on the faster tyre. All theoretically, of course. Apparently, the difference between thrashing your tyres and doing 3 stops and looking after your tyres and doing 2 stops is only around 6 seconds overall soooo somebody like Hamilton could race hard, make 3 stops and still create a situation where a car running the final stint on the options would be forced to push and burn up their tyres. I can see this race ending with Vettel coming out of the pits for his final stint just ahead of Hamilton (or Rosberg, Alonso or Massa etc), pulling out a bit of a gap and then being caught when his options lose grip. |
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Going to be very competitive I feel with 3 different teams in the top 3 (no team orders etc) and Vettel having to come back from 9th.
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My suspicious mind saw a slow pit stop recent(1st GP maybe) that I wondered if was intended to get Vettel ahead.I'm now half expecting him to now have a very slow car.Obviously they are now quite likely to wipe each other out if they are more equal.
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The track has developed so much througout the weekend so far though that I don't think anyone really knows what will happen tomorrow. I actually think those that went for pole and are now stuck with the soft tyres for the first few laps are going to be at a massive dissadvantage. Sadly I think Vettel is going to win this at a canter. I hope that somehow the Force Indias can stay with him although they've got to get past the TRs first. Its either going to be a madly chaotic race or a bit of a procession with people dipping in and out of the pits all the time.
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