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Official Formula 1 Thread (Part 8)
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homer911
31-10-2015
With the length of that straight it looks like being on the second row will be the place to be and pole will be a disadvantage. I will be surprised if the pole sitter is leading after the first corner, maybe even further down than that.

Also the DRS zone has the potential to be way too easy.
Aslan52
31-10-2015
Another thing I wanted to mention...

It was rather worrying the way Vettel lost it on the way into the pits and nearly slid into the start of the pit wall.

I've always thought it was a bit iffy to have the pit entry on the inside of a corner.
Firstly, it means that you've got cars entering the pits who will be on the same general line as cars aiming for the apex of the corner and secondly it means that any car that over-cooks the pit entry is likely to run wide - back onto the circuit.

With a pit-straight the length of the one in Mexico, why on Earth they couldn't have gone for a more conventional pit entry (such as the one at Monza) is beyond me.
Forza Ferrari
31-10-2015
Originally Posted by homer911:
“With the length of that straight it looks like being on the second row will be the place to be and pole will be a disadvantage. I will be surprised if the pole sitter is leading after the first corner, maybe even further down than that.

Also the DRS zone has the potential to be way too easy.”

It seems to me that the whole place is a Mercedes slam dunk. They decided to have these long straights to help with overtaking. Now we have this engine formula having a long straight on track nulls the rest of the track and really takes driver skill out of the equation.
Aslan52
31-10-2015
Originally Posted by Forza Ferrari:
“It seems to me that the whole place is a Mercedes slam dunk. They decided to have these long straights to help with overtaking. Now we have this engine formula having a long straight on track nulls the rest of the track and really takes driver skill out of the equation.”

That'll teach 'em for building a venue similar to Monza - a circuit specifically designed to assist Ferrari in the old days - Eh?


Succinct exchange between Toto Wolff and Ted Kravitz there.

Ted: "Rosberg's been on it all weekend hasn't he?"
Toto: "Angry!"

Fireworks at the first corner tomorrow?
homer911
31-10-2015
Hamilton or Vettel will lead after the first corner.....if there are no crashes.
Aslan52
31-10-2015
ForceIndia to rebrand themselves as a "factory" Aston Martin team next year?

Also, Ted an Crofty pointing out that Rosberg now has more pole positions than any other driver who's never won a championship.
I'm sure that'll be doing wonders for Rosberg's inner calm.
Forza Ferrari
31-10-2015
Originally Posted by Aslan52:
“That'll teach 'em for building a venue similar to Monza - a circuit specifically designed to assist Ferrari in the old days - Eh?


Succinct exchange between Toto Wolff and Ted Kravitz there.

Ted: "Rosberg's been on it all weekend hasn't he?"
Toto: "Angry!"

Fireworks at the first corner tomorrow?”

Oh did they build it to be like Monza? Can't say I like the squiggle at the end either. Basically the cars stop once a lap to wave at the crowd.

Don't think it will matter that nicco is on pole he always lets hamilton get passed him during the race.
Hoffmister
01-11-2015
Turbos & brakes...cooling & altitude will make the race random.

Will the mercs wipe each other out at the start? I think Lewis will not play into angry Nicos hand..why would he care now hes already champ let Niko ruin his own race.
Forza Ferrari
01-11-2015
I think this angery Nicol thing is being over played now for some fake excitement.

Mclaren Honda now up to a 70 place penalty for the Jenson car. The thing is this isn't the fault of the penalties it is the fauly of mclaren honda. Almost three whole power units for one GP whats the point of that obviously done to try and be a benefit at the other gps. Not the first time they've done it and it hasn't even work. They must be up to around ten power units and you are supposed to only use four.

I don't think it is fair for mclaren to be allowed to score points at the remaining GPs over teams who have used the correct number of elements. Mclaren should be competing as a non classified paticipant removed from the standings.
Aslan52
01-11-2015
Originally Posted by Forza Ferrari:
“Mclaren Honda now up to a 70 place penalty for the Jenson car. The thing is this isn't the fault of the penalties it is the fauly of mclaren honda. Almost three whole power units for one GP whats the point of that obviously done to try and be a benefit at the other gps. Not the first time they've done it and it hasn't even work. They must be up to around ten power units and you are supposed to only use four.

I don't think it is fair for mclaren to be allowed to score points at the remaining GPs over teams who have used the correct number of elements. Mclaren should be competing as a non classified paticipant removed from the standings.”

I can understand where you're coming from but surely if that's the case then it most certainly IS the fault of the penalties for failing to sufficiently deter Honda from using those extra engines?

If you created a system whereby it was forbidden to do anything beyond replacing an unserviceable part then you would effectively make it all but impossible for any team to improve through the season.

And, let's face it, even if that WAS the way the rules worked, a team wishing to fit an upgraded part would simply find a way of destroying the old part in order to allow the upgraded part to be fitted.

With F1 in it's current state, surely any fan has to respect Honda's perseverance, if not their results?
pork.pie
01-11-2015
Originally Posted by Forza Ferrari:
“I think this angery Nicol thing is being over played now for some fake excitement.

Mclaren Honda now up to a 70 place penalty for the Jenson car. The thing is this isn't the fault of the penalties it is the fauly of mclaren honda. Almost three whole power units for one GP whats the point of that obviously done to try and be a benefit at the other gps. Not the first time they've done it and it hasn't even work. They must be up to around ten power units and you are supposed to only use four.

I don't think it is fair for mclaren to be allowed to score points at the remaining GPs over teams who have used the correct number of elements. Mclaren should be competing as a non classified paticipant removed from the standings.”

You continue to amuse me, please keep up the good work.
Aslan52
01-11-2015
Incidentally, didn't Ferrari fit new engines in Vettel and Raikkonen's cars in Austin under exactly these circumstances?

Should they be treated in the same way as McLaren Honda?
Forza Ferrari
01-11-2015
Originally Posted by Aslan52:
“Incidentally, didn't Ferrari fit new engines in Vettel and Raikkonen's cars in Austin under exactly these circumstances?

Should they be treated in the same way as McLaren Honda?”

btw jusy a quick note for everybody I am not responsible for what ferrari do so please don't ask me about it all the time.

To me its clear that introduction an additional engine to use the development tokens is different from introducing multiple engines at once so you get them for free and use them at other gps. If this deprives the other back marker teams then i don't think its fair. Certainly not what the rules intended. They should have never stopped adding driver throughs and carrying the penalties over as mclaren just abused the good faith offered.
BillyBatty
01-11-2015
Such a shame what they've done to the Peraltada.
Forza Ferrari
01-11-2015
Well thats just silly there is a failed part on Alonso's car but they aren't able to change it and start the gp knowing they can only do one lap. F1 is really perverse now.
Forza Ferrari
01-11-2015
Sainz should get a penalty anyway he's missed a whole corner.
Aslan52
01-11-2015
I might be wrong but surely if Vettel and Button only got to lap 30-odd on the prime tyres the rest are going to struggle to get all the way to the end on the primes?

Might be better to swap to a 2-stop strategy and go flat-out rather than trying to nurse a single set of primes all the way to the end.
Aslan52
01-11-2015
Solid win for Rosberg there.

Hamilton was a tiny bit faster at certain points but made a lot of little mistakes.
Forza Ferrari
01-11-2015
I really wonder if hamilton wouldn't have been just a bit faster if there was still a championship on going.
Hoffmister
01-11-2015
Nico didnt get weighed with his helmet or hans device which he left on the car ?
Sylvester2007
01-11-2015
Let's not start the 'if their was a championship at stake' theories.

Hamilton is a racer and will have wanted it just as much. Just have to put this weekend down to Rosberg turning up for one of his better races.

It would be a bit harsh if Rosberg lost time etc for not weighing with his equipment although nothing would surprise me.

Mansell a bit far up Rosbergs behind on the podium.
Hoffmister
01-11-2015
Originally Posted by Sylvester2007:
“L

It would be a bit harsh if Rosberg lost time etc for not weighing with his equipment although nothing would surprise me.
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I have never seen a winner do that ?


It was very odd..
Sylvester2007
01-11-2015
Originally Posted by Hoffmister:
“I have never seen a winner do that ?


It was very odd..”

To be honest I usually turn over as soon as I know the top 10 but stayed on the channel as I saw the top 3 pulling off in front of the fans and the other cars carrying on so wondered what was happening, so don't know the full protocol but noticed Nico didn't have what Lewis and Valteri had and they mentioned it on Sky F1.
hufflestuff
01-11-2015
Originally Posted by Forza Ferrari:
“It seems to me that the whole place is a Mercedes slam dunk. They decided to have these long straights to help with overtaking. Now we have this engine formula having a long straight on track nulls the rest of the track and really takes driver skill out of the equation.”

You surely aren't suggesting when they built this circuit back in the day it was to help Mercedes this year? If so you sound incredibly paranoid and somewhat bitter.
Forza Ferrari
02-11-2015
Originally Posted by hufflestuff:
“You surely aren't suggesting when they built this circuit back in the day it was to help Mercedes this year? If so you sound incredibly paranoid and somewhat bitter.”

No funnly enough I am not suggesting they used foresight to design the track. It's kind of clear at the moment though if a track has two 1k straights it's going to give a massive advantage to the team with the most horse power.

So it was really a very simple analysis required to figure out a merc one, two was a shoeing from the outset due to track layout.

While they have a tendency towards long straights in track design writen in to circuit guidelines they realy need to temper this with making sure the rest of the layout is still a significant factor in over all lap time and then you still have some swings and roundabouts between the various different cars on grid and it moves performance and racing closer together.
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