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Official Formula 1 Thread (Part 8)
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Si_Crewe
14-04-2013
Originally Posted by gomezz:
“Just goes to show that even the more "interesting" events in an F1 race can be yawn-making. Compare with the scillintating MotoGP racing across all three races last weekend. ”

At the risk of labouring the point, they're all too busy trying to make their tyres last to bother fighting with each other most of the time.
Si_Crewe
14-04-2013
Can't believe that Hamilton will be happy to finish 3rd when the 2nd-place car is only a second in front of him.
Mystical123
14-04-2013
Originally Posted by kendoguk:
“A lot of penalties coming here i reckon, surely it's cut and dry if you've used it.?”

Must be some kind of centralised error with notifying whether DRS was enabled or not, it's very strange for so many cars to make the same mistake at the same time.
Mystical123
14-04-2013
Originally Posted by Si_Crewe:
“Can't believe that Hamilton will be happy to finish 3rd when the 2nd-place car is only a second in front of him.”

The Lotus has more straight-line speed, not much Hamilton can do about it without wrecking his tyres and ending up behind Vettel and possibly Massa and Button!
Mrs Teapot
14-04-2013
Well done Button such an unboring move
Si_Crewe
14-04-2013
Originally Posted by Mystical123:
“The Lotus has more straight-line speed, not much Hamilton can do about it without wrecking his tyres and ending up behind Vettel and possibly Massa and Button!”

Listening to the commentators talking about that and I can't see it myself.

Vettel is only 5 seconds up the road from LH and a stop takes 19 seconds.
No way he's going to be 4 seconds a lap faster for the remaining laps.

*EDIT*
Must say, the merc' really doesn't seem to have much pace at the end of races.
zieler
14-04-2013
He can't do it, can he?
Mrs Teapot
14-04-2013
Originally Posted by zieler:
“He can't do it, can he? ”

He's a lunatic but great excitement for the last lap
janetcomelately
14-04-2013
That was exhilarating!
Mrs Teapot
14-04-2013
What a great finish

My heart is in my mouth, well done Alonso and Lewis and Raikekin but cannot spell it
zieler
14-04-2013
Bloody hell, that was close...

Oh and Alonso wins, no-one really cares

Good to see Button finish 5th, Mclaren desperately need to improve the car but right now 5th is a good result.
Si_Crewe
14-04-2013
Really surprised at the way Raikkonen got away from Hamilton at the end.
Hamilton obviously had nothing left at all to challenge with.

I bet Vettel was thinking that was gonna be payback for the US race last year.
The Caterham did a spectacular job of getting in LHs way at the end.
The_Sleeper
14-04-2013
Originally Posted by Mrs Teapot:
“What a great finish

My heart is in my mouth,
well done Alonso and Lewis and Raikekin but cannot spell it”

No fag? ........ how strange !
Mrs Teapot
14-04-2013
Originally Posted by The_Sleeper:
“No fag? ........ how strange ! ”

I was chewing my finger nails by that point Sleeps hoping Hamilton would retain 3rd place, great finish that
zieler
14-04-2013
Originally Posted by Si_Crewe:
“Really surprised at the way Raikkonen got away from Hamilton at the end.
Hamilton obviously had nothing left at all to challenge with.

I bet Vettel was thinking that was gonna be payback for the US race last year.
The Caterham did a spectacular job of getting in LHs way at the end.”

I'm just glad Vettel made a mistake getting past the Caterham as well. Hamilton's tyres had completely gone by that stage.

I was originally thinking payback for China 2 years ago when Lewis took victory with a few laps ago, as Vettel seems to like payback...
Mystical123
14-04-2013
Originally Posted by Si_Crewe:
“The Caterham did a spectacular job of getting in LHs way at the end.”

Yes I wonder will they be getting spoken to about that...

I'm glad Vettel didn't get past Hamilton, though it was fun to watch those last couple of laps!

Credit to McLaren and Button for getting such a bad car to 5th place, and have to feel bad for Webber especially as he was doing a good job, and also Rosberg - would have been an even more interesting race with both of them still involved.
BillyBatty
14-04-2013
Looks like Hamilton made a wise move going to Mercedes.
Si_Crewe
14-04-2013
Originally Posted by Mystical123:
“Yes I wonder will they be getting spoken to about that...

I'm glad Vettel didn't get past Hamilton, though it was fun to watch those last couple of laps!

Credit to McLaren and Button for getting such a bad car to 5th place, and have to feel bad for Webber especially as he was doing a good job, and also Rosberg - would have been an even more interesting race with both of them still involved.”

That's something I always find interesting.

You look at Alonso and then look at Massa, who finished 41s behind.
Perez finished 30 seconds behind Button and Grosjean followed Raikkonen by 45 seconds.

I noticed that Massa made his first stop a couple of laps after Alonso and that, alone, seemed to lose him 10 seconds but you've got to wonder about the relative abilities of the team-mates.
Seems like Rosberg and Hamilton are about the most evenly matched team-mates.

*EDIT*
Just listening to the interview with Vettel...
Fair play to him. At least he didn't try to moan that the Caterham cost him the opportunity to pass Hamilton cos he must obviously have realised that it'd cost LH at least as much time.
Si_Crewe
14-04-2013
Coulthard accusing Perez of "weaving" to block Raikkonen at the hairpin.

I thought the rule was that you were allowed to make one move to block AND then move back onto the racing line before going into the corner?

After all, if you weren't allowed to move back onto the racing line then, basically, there'd be no point in ever attempting ANY kind of blocking manoevre because it'd put you off the racing line and hand the racing line to a following driver.
HungerCult
14-04-2013
Originally Posted by Si_Crewe:
“Coulthard accusing Perez of "weaving" to block Raikkonen at the hairpin.

I thought the rule was that you were allowed to make one move to block AND then move back onto the racing line before going into the corner?

After all, if you weren't allowed to move back onto the racing line then, basically, there'd be no point in ever attempting ANY kind of blocking manoevre because it'd put you off the racing line and hand the racing line to a following driver.”

I'm pretty sure that if you take the inside tight line you have to stay with it. Even if the other car is on the racing line he can't drive through you, this is why driving defensively is slower.
fluffed
14-04-2013
I'm with Villeneuve at the moment about F1. You have a bunch of cars doing their own thing, sometimes they come across other cars in the process, but they can make the pass and be away into their own little world again pretty quickly most of the time. Not really thrilling stuff.
Si_Crewe
14-04-2013
Originally Posted by fluffed:
“I'm with Villeneuve at the moment about F1. You have a bunch of cars doing their own thing, sometimes they come across other cars in the process, but they can make the pass and be away into their own little world again pretty quickly most of the time. Not really thrilling stuff.”

I really don't enjoy agreeing with JV cos, for the most part, he just likes sh*t-stirring but, erm, I do too.

Today's race was a classic example.
You can't tell me Hamilton enjoyed letting Raikkonen pull away from him in the last few laps for fear of damaging his tyres too much to allow him to defend against Vettel.

It kinda bugs me when Coulthard and EJ are stood there trying to tell us that the race was "fascinating" or "intriguing" or "interesting" when they conveniently forget to mention that it wasn't actually exciting.

Vaguely related, I have an old bit of software which was used (back in the 1990s) to predict pit-stops and fuel consumption etc.
I was trying to modify it to predict the results of races and it never ceased to amaze me just how much you needed to twiddle stuff to emulate real world performances.
I mean, say you started off with 2 equal cars and then you wanted to adjust the performance of one to reflect the difference in lap-time between a McLaren and a HRT, you'd have to reduce the engine power of the HRT to around 400bhp before it'd lap suitably slowly.

Point being, I think Pirelli kind of have a similar problem with the tyres today.
If you make one tyre just10% "worse" than another one, the difference in lap-time will barely be noticeable.
So you make it worse and worse and worse until you get the desired step in lap-time but by then you've created a tyre that's ridiculously hard or soft.

Thing is, the tyres are NOT the problem.
The problem is the aero' and sooner or later they're going to have to grasp the proverbial nettle and try to implement a means of policing turbulent air flow behind the cars.

Once they find a way to regulate the turbulent air flow they'll be able to allow the teams to use the best possible tyres again.
Forza Ferrari
14-04-2013
JV is talking fish. Drivers like Lewis need to learn to drive. You saw him after his pit stop pull out from kimi two fastest laps and I just thought great ruining the tyres straight away. No wonder kimi could beat Lewis with a damaged car.

Terrible year for Rosberg two broken cars and a team orders. I think Ross Brawn is trying to end his career.
Nessun Dorma
14-04-2013
Originally Posted by BillyBatty:
“Looks like Hamilton made a wise move going to Mercedes.”

I have to tentatively agree, I was very sceptical at first and even suggested that he had make quite a mistake, but I will be very happy to eat my words.
Nessun Dorma
14-04-2013
Originally Posted by Si_Crewe:
“Coulthard accusing Perez of "weaving" to block Raikkonen at the hairpin.

I thought the rule was that you were allowed to make one move to block AND then move back onto the racing line before going into the corner?

After all, if you weren't allowed to move back onto the racing line then, basically, there'd be no point in ever attempting ANY kind of blocking manoevre because it'd put you off the racing line and hand the racing line to a following driver.”

As far I interpret the rules, the return move is considered a blocking move, because the driver from behind has moved to the side to cut through. If the driver ahead moves in front of them again, it is still preventing them from progressing.
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