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Official Formula 1 Thread (Part 8)
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MR_Pitkin
19-06-2016
Hopefully they'll never cone back here, most boring grand prix I've watched
d'@ve
19-06-2016
Oh nice one Lewis, figured it out! Too late to do much now though methinks.
MR_Pitkin
19-06-2016
Originally Posted by d'@ve:
“Oh nice one Lewis, figured it out! Too late to do much now though methinks.”

The miserable arrogant git will be dining out on this after the race. Couldn't happen to nicer chap.
JSemple3
19-06-2016
Not quite the mayhem that was expected. Rosberg wins by a countrymile
steviex
19-06-2016
Originally Posted by MR_Pitkin:
“Hopefully they'll never cone back here, most boring grand prix I've watched”

Thankfully I slept through most of it!

About as exciting as watching a bowl of cold rice pudding. This will be a regular on the race calendar because Baku has money and Bernie loves that, forgetting that it was a dull and boring GP. Venues like this will flourish while we have the real prospect of losing Monza next year.

The European GP that's not even in Europe. Thanks Bernie, you knob!
Carlos_dfc
19-06-2016
Originally Posted by MR_Pitkin:
“Hopefully they'll never cone back here, most boring grand prix I've watched”

I really didn't like that tight, clumsy-looking section up by the castle - shades of turn 10 at Singapore, I really don't like that either.
The rest of the circuit.... meh! Like Valencia, it all looks pretty much the same.

Most of the newer, Tilke influenced circuits do nothing for me - only really Austin that I like

Bring back Magny-Cours, I always liked that track.
If Monza goes it'll be a sad day - though Bernie could redeem himself to a degree, if Imola returns in place of it.

Just IMHO, obviously.
d'@ve
19-06-2016
Originally Posted by MR_Pitkin:
“The miserable arrogant git will be dining out on this after the race. Couldn't happen to nicer chap.”

Don't hold back, why not tell us what you really think.
alanwarwic
19-06-2016
Normal Mercedes service has been resumed for Hamilton. The prior race must have been a blip.
ACU
19-06-2016
Originally Posted by alanwarwic:
“Normal Mercedes service has been resumed for Hamilton. The prior race must have been a blip.”

Both cars had the same problem. Rosberg was smart enough to figure out what setting should be used, whils Hamilton couldnt.

The rules are the same for all drivers. No team can tell them drivers what setting to set the car to. Obviously the FIA didnt account for drivers not to do their homework and learn the setting of their car. Hamilton has no one to blame but himself. No point blaming the FIA for Hamiltons problems.
gomezz
19-06-2016
Originally Posted by ACU:
“Rosberg was smart enough to figure out what setting should be used, whils Hamilton couldnt”

Rosberg just undid the setting change he had made himself. Hamilton had not changed anything himself so was left looking for a needle in a haystack. Two very different challenges.
kev
19-06-2016
Bernie says don't drink and drive, but it's fine to spend ages faffing with the computer on your stearing wheel for ages will driving at over 200km/h....
Smufter
20-06-2016
Originally Posted by kev:
“Bernie says don't drink and drive, but it's fine to spend ages faffing with the computer on your stearing wheel for ages will driving at over 200km/h....”

Yep. Imagine how much worse it would have been had he necked about 5 pints of Wifebeater too.
culttvfan
20-06-2016
Surely they won't return to Baku. It was only luck that prevented similar disruption as in the GP2 races. A large part of the circuit is quite simply a no-go area for racing, and this was confirmed in GP2 by having waved yellows in that narrow part even though there were no obstructions. THE worst circuit I've seen in my 40 odd years of following F1.
Smufter
20-06-2016
How about going up the M1 from Jct 17 to 18 and back again with a quick blat around the services to spice things up a bit.
ACU
20-06-2016
Originally Posted by gomezz:
“Rosberg just undid the setting change he had made himself. Hamilton had not changed anything himself so was left looking for a needle in a haystack. Two very different challenges.”

Not according to Toto. He said Rosberg, undid a change he made, and then changed another setting. So in essence it was harder for Rosberg, he had to undo a change and then make another change. Hamilton, since he didnt change anything, just had to make a change.

I do agree, two very different challenges.
ACU
20-06-2016
Originally Posted by kev:
“Bernie says don't drink and drive, but it's fine to spend ages faffing with the computer on your stearing wheel for ages will driving at over 200km/h....”

Are you suggesting the stewards should have black flagged Hamilton...as what he was doing was a danger to others and himself. I think you have a point.
kev
20-06-2016
Originally Posted by ACU:
“Are you suggesting the stewards should have black flagged Hamilton...as what he was doing was a danger to others and himself. I think you have a point.”

Pretty much - seems daft the FIA promoting road safety on the one hand, then letting F1 drivers spend ages basically playing with the menu system on there steering wheel.

Arguably it should be limited to presets that the drivers can choose what they want - e.g. Slow Speed, Start, Race, Fuel Safe, Failsafe, Reset - that are no more difficult to select that a radio station on a preset - not dozens of nested menus!
SepangBlue
21-06-2016
Originally Posted by alanwarwic:
“Normal Mercedes service has been resumed for Hamilton. The prior race must have been a blip.”

He's a three times world champion, mate .. normal service is Hamilton up front and Rosberg breathing his exhaust fumes. Let's hope those halcyon days return soon.

Originally Posted by ACU:
“Both cars had the same problem. Rosberg was smart enough to figure out what setting should be used, whils Hamilton couldnt.

The rules are the same for all drivers. No team can tell them drivers what setting to set the car to. Obviously the FIA didnt account for drivers not to do their homework and learn the setting of their car. Hamilton has no one to blame but himself. No point blaming the FIA for Hamiltons problems.”

Nobody on here really knows what all this settings stuff is about, do they? It's more than likely that the garage sets the mode required for the race, based on practice and qualifying and, until this year, the team would then advise of any changes required based on race-going telemetry.

Rosberg didn't have a problem with his setting, Hamilton did. Luckily Hamilton stumbled upon the 'correct' setting (in spite of being told not to blindly press all the buttons in the hope of hitting the right one .. could have been expensive!), but too late in the race for it to help him close the gap.

If communications were to be reinstated we wouldn't have this farcical situation of drivers second guessing electronics in £1M cars travelling at over 200 mph.
Forza Ferrari
21-06-2016
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“Bring back Magny-Cours, I always liked that track.*”

Agree with this I loved that place. You didn't get loads of overtaking but the cars were spectacular all the time. High speed commitment and direction change.

If we ever went back I bet the modern generation would struggle.
ACU
22-06-2016
Originally Posted by SepangBlue:
“Nobody on here really knows what all this settings stuff is about, do they? It's more than likely that the garage sets the mode required for the race, based on practice and qualifying and, until this year, the team would then advise of any changes required based on race-going telemetry.

Rosberg didn't have a problem with his setting, Hamilton did. Luckily Hamilton stumbled upon the 'correct' setting (in spite of being told not to blindly press all the buttons in the hope of hitting the right one .. could have been expensive!), but too late in the race for it to help him close the gap.

If communications were to be reinstated we wouldn't have this farcical situation of drivers second guessing electronics in £1M cars travelling at over 200 mph.”

If you believe that Rosberg didnt have a problem with his settings, then you are saying the Lauda and Toto both lied on tv. Highly unlikely, laughable to suggest it. He did have a problem, he was able to fix it. Something that both Lauda and Toto said on tv.

The farcical situation is that Hamilton wasnt clued up with the settings on his car like Rosberg was. If Rosberg knew what change had to be made, then so should Hamilton. They pay Hamilton millions, you would think he would do his homework and learn the settings for his car. This has nothing to do with the FIA ban on communications, its to so with Hamilton not doing his homework.

Makes you think without the pit telling Hamilton what to change and what to do, would he have won the previous 2 world championships? The answer is probably yes he would have, but it does make you think.
gomezz
22-06-2016
Perhaps you need an analogy: Rosberg flicked the light switch from ON to OFF and when it went dark could easily work out that all he needed to do was flick the light switch back to ON. On the other hand Hamilton was left in a dark room and was having to blindly find which amongst the many switches on the walls of the room was the light switch.
SepangBlue
23-06-2016
Originally Posted by gomezz:
“Perhaps you need an analogy: Rosberg flicked the light switch from ON to OFF and when it went dark could easily work out that all he needed to do was flick the light switch back to ON. On the other hand Hamilton was left in a dark room and was having to blindly find which amongst the many switches on the walls of the room was the light switch.”

Nice analogy gomez, and probably far nearer the truth than those people who are slagging off Hamilton would care to agree!
Assa2
23-06-2016
I think Baku has the potential to be a great circuit. The issue was this being the first time none of the teams really had a clue how to push the envelope so played it very cautiously. Next year they'll have the right number of the right tyres, a better set-up and maybe the organisers will make a few changes to the track to enhance it.

It makes me laugh people comparing Baku to Valencia like it's a bad thing. Valencia was transformed with the introduction of DRS and the last race there (Alonso won IIRC) was a cracker with loads of overtaking and not all of it DRS assisted.
mattlamb
24-06-2016
Originally Posted by ACU:
“If you believe that Rosberg didnt have a problem with his settings, then you are saying the Lauda and Toto both lied on tv. Highly unlikely, laughable to suggest it. He did have a problem, he was able to fix it. Something that both Lauda and Toto said on tv.

The farcical situation is that Hamilton wasnt clued up with the settings on his car like Rosberg was. If Rosberg knew what change had to be made, then so should Hamilton. They pay Hamilton millions, you would think he would do his homework and learn the settings for his car. This has nothing to do with the FIA ban on communications, its to so with Hamilton not doing his homework.

Makes you think without the pit telling Hamilton what to change and what to do, would he have won the previous 2 world championships? The answer is probably yes he
would have, but it does make you think.”

Racing drivers should race cars, not play with their settings like a pilot.
mattlamb
24-06-2016
Originally Posted by SepangBlue:
“He's a three times world champion, mate .. normal service is Hamilton up front and Rosberg breathing his exhaust fumes. Let's hope those halcyon days return soon.



Nobody on here really knows what all this settings stuff is about, do they? It's more than likely that the garage sets the mode required for the race, based on practice and qualifying and, until this year, the team would then advise of any changes required based on race-going telemetry.

Rosberg didn't have a problem with his setting, Hamilton did. Luckily Hamilton stumbled upon the 'correct' setting (in spite of being told not to blindly press all the buttons in the hope of hitting the right one .. could have been expensive!), but too late in the race for it to help him close the gap.

If communications were to be reinstated we wouldn't have this farcical situation of drivers second guessing electronics in £1M cars travelling at over 200 mph.”




Communcations should definitely not be reinstated!
I never want to hear driver coaching whilst out on the track ever again. Makes the racing a n absolute farce!!
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