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Official Formula 1 Thread (Part 8)
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yellowlabbie
04-07-2016
Originally Posted by Puterkid:
“Unbelievable

He continues to try to put the blame on Hamilton too, even after the stewards decision. Not a nice man, a liar and a cheat.
No wonder Hamilton gets frustrated, fighting for the championship against his'team mate', and his 'team'.”

I agree, I have been saying for a while that Rosberg is a cheat and a liar. Definitely not a man to be trusted.
Matt35
04-07-2016
And team orders may be used. By doing that the team are blaming both drivers or at least that's what Lewis will think. I'm still convinced nico tried to take him out. He knew once Lewis got first his lead would be cut but if they're both out he keeps his 23 point lead.

Nico continuing to blame Lewis isn't doing him any favours. He does know there are onboard cameras right? We've all seen what happened and there are no excuses for what he did. If he'd come out straight away and said that was my fault then it would be all settled.
TrustFundBaby
04-07-2016
Mercedes got exactly what they deserved.

They keep Hamilton out 10 laps longer than Rosberg on the first stint. They could easily of brought him in 1 or 2 laps earlier to keep him ahead of Rosberg. If they had done this it would probably been a straight forward 1-2. They clearly realized their mistake of costing Hamilton the lead which is why they allowed him to make his 2nd stop first to give him a chance to undercut.

I had to laugh when they said the merc guy going up on the podium was the chief strategist. It is that idiot's fault that the faster driver was chasing his teammate all the way to the line.

As for trying to impose teammate orders on the 2 drivers fighting for the world title.... good way to kill the sport that. I can only hope Ferrari and red bull will improve.
Assa2
04-07-2016
I can't believe I'm going to defend Rosberg... well actually I'm not. He was was responsible for the accident, 100%. My issue is with the way the media and fans have over-reacted to the incident which bears striking similarities to Montreal this year and Austin last year. The only difference being that Lewis ran Rosberg off the road both times and Rosberg decided to avoid a collision rather than risk his and his team-mate's cars. There's huge double standards being displayed by a lot of people. Personally I saw it as an ill-judged racing incident that cost Rosberg dearly but it might give Lewis pause for thought next time the two are racing that closely. Maybe Rosberg is just fed up of being bullied. Of course the way Rosberg has tried to defend himself since doesn't help his cause.
killgore2_james
04-07-2016
Rosberg got a bad exit from turn one, Lulu therefore gets a good slipstream into turn two.
No prob thinks Rosberg ... defend the inside, brake extra late, run #44 over the curbs & mess up his exit for the drag to turn three...
But no, Ham turns into his team mate, who he MUST have seen, lucked out, damages & drops #6 to P4 and wins the race!
Cyberdame
05-07-2016
Just like to say well done to Jenson Button for starting on the 2nd row of the grid in Austria and for coming in 6th at the end of a very exciting race. Let's hope McLaren will be soon ready to give the other teams a real run for their money at all the circuits. Sad about the DNF for Alonso.
Assa2
05-07-2016
Mclaren should be safely in 5th by the end of the season. Honda have another engine upgrade on the way which is supposed to push them ahead of Renault in power terms and the Mclaren chassis is pretty good. A podium or two, in Hungary and/or Singapore, is on the cards.
Mark F
06-07-2016
Niki Lauda really sticking the knife into Hamilton today saying Lewis is lying and smashed up a room in Baku.

Clear to see which side the big boys at Mercedes are on...
Assa2
06-07-2016
Originally Posted by Mark F:
“Niki Lauda really sticking the knife into Hamilton today saying Lewis is lying and smashed up a room in Baku.

Clear to see which side the big boys at Mercedes are on...”

Mercedes have released a statement retracting what Lauda said. Not sure WTF is going on. Lauda made these claims in an Austrian TV program last week before the GP. The interview seems to have taken place in a wine cellar with the participants all partaking, so it's possible Lauda was not entirely sober. However what he said is absolutely clear with no room for ambiguity. Sky are running footage of the interview with a translation.

In any case, it makes things all a bit fractious. When a very senior member of the team management accusses a driver of being a liar and out of control, even if it's not true, someone is going to have to pay the price. In this case I suspect Lauda is less valuable to the team than Hamilton. You could interpret the Mercedes statement as hanging Lauda out to dry. I would not be hugely surprised if he's resigned before Friday.
alanwarwic
06-07-2016
I am not sure about that.

Many people assume Mercedes, understandably, want a German winner.
Rosberg, of course, is seen wanting it too much again.
Matt35
06-07-2016
Originally Posted by Assa2:
“Mercedes have released a statement retracting what Lauda said. Not sure WTF is going on. Lauda made these claims in an Austrian TV program last week before the GP. The interview seems to have taken place in a wine cellar with the participants all partaking, so it's possible Lauda was not entirely sober. However what he said is absolutely clear with no room for ambiguity. Sky are running footage of the interview with a translation.

In any case, it makes things all a bit fractious. When a very senior member of the team management accusses a driver of being a liar and out of control, even if it's not true, someone is going to have to pay the price. In this case I suspect Lauda is less valuable to the team than Hamilton. You could interpret the Mercedes statement as hanging Lauda out to dry. I would not be hugely surprised if he's resigned before Friday.”

It seems from lauda's interview that he seems to want to cause friction otherwise why bring it up. He even said the reason why lewis lied about making up with rosberg basically to shut the media up for the team yet lauda reveals it and things are now worse than ever. The partnership is now beyond repair so one of them surely has to go and can't see it being Lewis. Wouldn't surprise me if lauda also goes.
Lin4237
07-07-2016
Originally Posted by killgore2_james:
“Rosberg got a bad exit from turn one, Lulu therefore gets a good slipstream into turn two.
No prob thinks Rosberg ... defend the inside, brake extra late, run #44 over the curbs & mess up his exit for the drag to turn three...
But no, Ham turns into his team mate, who he MUST have seen, lucked out, damages & drops #6 to P4 and wins the race!”

Obviously watching a totally different race to the Stewards and some of us here, oh well, to each his own.

He got off lightly. I think Rosberg should have been made to start last on the grid at Silverstone.
Assa2
07-07-2016
I recall Martin Brundell talking about the difference between himself and Senna when they were racing in F3 together. He said Senna used to throw his car into moves and leave it up to the other driver to decide if they were going to crash or not. 9 times out of ten the toher driver would bail out and lose the place. Hamilton has done that all his career as well, most effectively with Rosberg. Verstappn seems to have the same ruthless mentality. Generally speaking Rosberg doesn't have that edge and last weekend was a pretty poor attempt at it.

The difference though is that Hamilton will absolutely not allow himself to be bullied off the track. He'd rather take his chances with a collision. He'd rather risk a DNF than lose the mental upper-hand with his closest competitor. In the long term it's vitally important but in the short term it could have cost him dearly. In this case it didn't but I do think he was 100% in control and knew exactly what he was doing when he took the decision to try to take the corner even though he knew Rosberg was in the way. Still 100% Rosberg at fault but there's a lot more to it than just Rosberg took Hamilton out which is why the team haven't publically laid the blame at Rosberg's feet just yet.

With the Lauda / Hamilton thing, I think it's as simple as Lauda doesn't like Hamilton. They have totally different outlooks. I suspect Hamilton reminds Lauda of James Hunt but without any of the charm. Lauda was always the consumate professional and hated the fact that Hunt was able to have the playboy lifestyle and still turn up to races and be quick. Although they were friends Lauds always thought Hunt wasn't taking F1 seriously. I wouldn't be surprised if he thinks exactly the same about Hamilton and really hates the fact that Hamilton has the same number of WDCs and looks set to move on to 4. Meanwhile Rosberg, who is very similar to Lauda in personality, is being left behind.
Cyberdame
07-07-2016
Originally Posted by Assa2:
“I recall Martin Brundell talking about the difference between himself and Senna when they were racing in F3 together. He said Senna used to throw his car into moves and leave it up to the other driver to decide if they were going to crash or not. 9 times out of ten the toher driver would bail out and lose the place. Hamilton has done that all his career as well, most effectively with Rosberg. Verstappn seems to have the same ruthless mentality. Generally speaking Rosberg doesn't have that edge and last weekend was a pretty poor attempt at it.

The difference though is that Hamilton will absolutely not allow himself to be bullied off the track. He'd rather take his chances with a collision. He'd rather risk a DNF than lose the mental upper-hand with his closest competitor. In the long term it's vitally important but in the short term it could have cost him dearly. In this case it didn't but I do think he was 100% in control and knew exactly what he was doing when he took the decision to try to take the corner even though he knew Rosberg was in the way. Still 100% Rosberg at fault but there's a lot more to it than just Rosberg took Hamilton out which is why the team haven't publically laid the blame at Rosberg's feet just yet.

With the Lauda / Hamilton thing, I think it's as simple as Lauda doesn't like Hamilton. They have totally different outlooks. I suspect Hamilton reminds Lauda of James Hunt but without any of the charm. Lauda was always the consumate professional and hated the fact that Hunt was able to have the playboy lifestyle and still turn up to races and be quick. Although they were friends Lauds always thought Hunt wasn't taking F1 seriously. I wouldn't be surprised if he thinks exactly the same about Hamilton and really hates the fact that Hamilton has the same number of WDCs and looks set to move on to 4. Meanwhile Rosberg, who is very similar to Lauda in personality, is being left behind.”

Excellent post!
alanwarwic
07-07-2016
Originally Posted by Assa2:
“I recall Martin Brundell talking about the difference between himself and Senna when they were racing in F3 together. He said Senna used to throw his car into moves and leave it up to the other driver to decide if they were going to crash or not. 9 times out of ten the toher driver would bail out and lose the place. Hamilton has done that all his career as well, most effectively with Rosberg. Verstappn seems to have the same ruthless mentality. Generally speaking Rosberg doesn't have that edge and last weekend was a pretty poor attempt at it.

The difference though is that Hamilton will absolutely not allow himself to be bullied off the track. He'd rather take his chances with a collision. He'd rather risk a DNF than lose the mental upper-hand with his closest competitor. In the long term it's vitally important but in the short term it could have cost him dearly. In this case it didn't but I do think he was 100% in control and knew exactly what he was doing when he took the decision to try to take the corner even though he knew Rosberg was in the way. Still 100% Rosberg at fault but there's a lot more to it than just Rosberg took Hamilton out which is why the team haven't publically laid the blame at Rosberg's feet just yet.

With the Lauda / Hamilton thing, I think it's as simple as Lauda doesn't like Hamilton. They have totally different outlooks. I suspect Hamilton reminds Lauda of James Hunt but without any of the charm. Lauda was always the consumate professional and hated the fact that Hunt was able to have the playboy lifestyle and still turn up to races and be quick. Although they were friends Lauds always thought Hunt wasn't taking F1 seriously. I wouldn't be surprised if he thinks exactly the same about Hamilton and really hates the fact that Hamilton has the same number of WDCs and looks set to move on to 4. Meanwhile Rosberg, who is very similar to Lauda in personality, is being left behind.”

Hamilton was ahead, and had taken a wide line. It is side by side or behind where decisions have to get made. Likelihood Rosberg, yet again, had gone with the calculated risk of one of them being taken out.
Lin4237
07-07-2016
Originally Posted by Assa2:
“I recall Martin Brundell talking about the difference between himself and Senna when they were racing in F3 together. He said Senna used to throw his car into moves and leave it up to the other driver to decide if they were going to crash or not. 9 times out of ten the toher driver would bail out and lose the place. Hamilton has done that all his career as well, most effectively with Rosberg. Verstappn seems to have the same ruthless mentality. Generally speaking Rosberg doesn't have that edge and last weekend was a pretty poor attempt at it.

The difference though is that Hamilton will absolutely not allow himself to be bullied off the track. He'd rather take his chances with a collision. He'd rather risk a DNF than lose the mental upper-hand with his closest competitor. In the long term it's vitally important but in the short term it could have cost him dearly. In this case it didn't but I do think he was 100% in control and knew exactly what he was doing when he took the decision to try to take the corner even though he knew Rosberg was in the way. Still 100% Rosberg at fault but there's a lot more to it than just Rosberg took Hamilton out which is why the team haven't publically laid the blame at Rosberg's feet just yet.

With the Lauda / Hamilton thing, I think it's as simple as Lauda doesn't like Hamilton. They have totally different outlooks. I suspect Hamilton reminds Lauda of James Hunt but without any of the charm. Lauda was always the consumate professional and hated the fact that Hunt was able to have the playboy lifestyle and still turn up to races and be quick. Although they were friends Lauds always thought Hunt wasn't taking F1 seriously. I wouldn't be surprised if he thinks exactly the same about Hamilton and really hates the fact that Hamilton has the same number of WDCs and looks set to move on to 4. Meanwhile Rosberg, who is very similar to Lauda in personality, is being left behind.”

Excellent post. I hope Lauda is pushed off the team he is one twisted individual.
Matt35
07-07-2016
So both drivers have been warned but no team orders. Why though is Lewis being warned when it was rosberg who caused the crash so it should be just him that's warned.
Assa2
07-07-2016
Originally Posted by Matt35:
“So both drivers have been warned but no team orders. Why though is Lewis being warned when it was rosberg who caused the crash so it should be just him that's warned.”

Because in the team's opinion (at least) Hamilton was at fault in Spain when both cars were taken out, and because Hamilton is by far the more aggressive driver and is therefore more likely to go for a risky move in the future.
Matt35
07-07-2016
Originally Posted by Assa2:
“Because in the team's opinion (at least) Hamilton was at fault in Spain when both cars were taken out, and because Hamilton is by far the more aggressive driver and is therefore more likely to go for a risky move in the future.”

So they want lewis to change his driving style? That is never gonna happen. As senna once said if you no longer go for gaps you are no longer racing driver or words to that affect.
Assa2
08-07-2016
Originally Posted by Matt35:
“So they want lewis to change his driving style? That is never gonna happen. As senna once said if you no longer go for gaps you are no longer racing driver or words to that affect.”

No they just don't want him to crash into his team-mate again. You're suggesting Lewis is incapable of that?

I wouldn't be surprised if instead of imposing team orders Mercedes reverts to insisting the two follow the same race strategy. That would make it much easier to manage them and keep them apart wothout overtly imposing team orders.
gomezz
08-07-2016
But in the last race that would have meant putting Hamilton on the same sub-optimal strategy as Rosberg just because Rosberg had not saved the right combination of tyres for the race. Obviously not such a problem when they are still so dominant over the other teams but that, we hope, won't last for ever.
gomezz
08-07-2016
Good grief, it's fugly! I wonder if it would look any better if it was the same colour as the rest of the car?
simongvs70
08-07-2016
The Halo has been left black to match the tyres...
skinj
08-07-2016
Originally Posted by Matt35:
“So they want lewis to change his driving style? That is never gonna happen. As senna once said if you no longer go for gaps you are no longer racing driver or words to that affect.”

Saw that quote re-imagined recently as:
“If you no longer go for a gap which exists you are no longer a racing driver. If you go for a gap that no longer exists you are Pastor Maldonado!"
Assa2
09-07-2016
Nigel Mansell believes the incident last week was entirely Hamilton's fault. Suggests had he been the driver steward in Austria Rosberg would not have been punished. I've no idea how he justifies this opinion but it shows that there's a spectrum of opinion.
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