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Official Formula 1 Thread (Part 8)
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Forza Ferrari
09-07-2016
Originally Posted by Assa2:
“Nigel Mansell believes the incident last week was entirely Hamilton's fault. Suggests had he been the driver steward in Austria Rosberg would not have been punished. I've no idea how he justifies this opinion but it shows that there's a spectrum of opinion.”

Nigel likely thinks the move round the outside was never on
. Having watched the GP2 there was no moves round the outside through the corners. Any moves to the outside were completed early in the braking zone. Perhapes Nigel is concluding that Hamilton must have been indifferent to the prospect of contact.

I don't agreed with these moves where you run the other driver out of road but many drivers have been making them and so they are now part of F1

There was very heavy rain at the end of GP3 quaily today so wonder what the conditions will be like today.
Forza Ferrari
09-07-2016
Dry running in P3.
Chief_Wiggum
09-07-2016
Anyone willing to call this?

Hamilton will get the pole I think.
Chief_Wiggum
09-07-2016
Jenson Button out in Q1. Button qualifies 17th.
simongvs70
09-07-2016
This track seems to have it in somehow for Jenson.
Chief_Wiggum
09-07-2016
Button sounding like a complete pillock in his post-action interview as usual.
DanielF
09-07-2016
Nico's been summoned to the stewards

"The Mercedes driver was judged to have exceeded the maximum time between the two safety car lines at the start of Q1.

A statement issued by the FIA said that he would have to explain later why he had breached Article 27.5 of the Sporting Regulations for "exceeding the maximum time set by the FIA between the Safety Car line after the pit exit and Safety Car line before the pit entry at 13.05."

Rosberg could be given a grid penalty, a reprimand or fine for the offence if he is found guilty." (Motorsport.com)
Forza Ferrari
09-07-2016
Never heard of that before.

It really has to be said that the biggest jeopardy to the entertainment factor of F1 is not even thr exceedingly large gap between Mercedes and everybody else but people talking about white lines.
Forza Ferrari
09-07-2016
Nothing to happen to Rosberg.

Quote:
“However, Rosberg was cleared by the stewards - including four-time British GP winner Nigel Mansell - who found that he was not in breach of the rule as he was not returning to the pits on the lap in question.

As the slow lap was not an in-lap, it was therefore not governed by article 27.5.”

More nonsense about something which doesn't exist then. Whats wrong with this sport.
bingoman
09-07-2016
Is Sauber up for sale or been sold, i ask because i come half way through commenters talking about them and i thought i heard they sold or for sale
Forza Ferrari
09-07-2016
Chat was they are sold already. Don't know who to though if it might be an investment group again.

Don't think they would have made the year without the sale.
BinaryDad
09-07-2016
Originally Posted by Forza Ferrari:
“I don't agreed with these moves where you run the other driver out of road but many drivers have been making them and so they are now part of F1”

I have no issues with drivers hanging the other out to dry on a corner. It's good racing, but the issue with Rosberg is that he completely lacks the mental ability to work out when it's a good time to make that move, or to realise WHY it works.

For a start, the move assumes that the car on the inside is ahead, so that the driver on the outside has a complete visual overview of the situation. This allows the driver being passed to make a judgement call on what to do, because they have all the relevant information - they can see the complete picture.

But Rosberg doesn't seem to realise this. And even worse, he doesn't seem to realise that, as the driver with the complete view of what is happening, it's up to him to make sure that he acts in a manner so that both cars make the turn without mishap (within reason).

There seems to be an element with in Merc, Lauda seems to be included in this, that the fault for the Austria incident lies squarely on Hamilton's shoulders, or so I hear. From their POV, Hamilton should never have tried to pass Rosberg and should have settled for 2nd place.

You only have to look at Lauda's actions after the race, reporting crap to the press and his reaction when Lewis won pole to wonder if there isn't an element in the team that has fallen out of love with Hamilton.
Forza Ferrari
10-07-2016
Likely in general Rosberg dose know how the block pass manouver works. On the occasion Ithink he just still tried it as it was the only option he had given tyre and brake conditions. A desperate and extreme move from him.

Mercedes likely do think their cars should have held station. More so they are likely annoyed that neither drove with consideration that it was their team mate they were racing. In fact being in proximity to their team mate is causing them to act in a more extreme manner the oposite of what any team wants.

A bad dynamic has built up over years there with the drivers coming to think that the victor is determined by team decisions.

I think there is a faction in mercedes which is not pro hamilton. It has been there for sometime. At the end of last season whem the situation was not as bad and lewis had just delivered a second championship there was messages came out of Mercedes that we mighy sack this guy if certain things don't improve.

Funny thing is with Merc is they have such a good car there must be at least eight drivers on the grid who would guarantee them the championship yet they are stuck with a toxic combination. Seems kind of illogical.
homer911
10-07-2016
There is clearly a camp in Mercedes that since they have the clear superior car they don't like Hamilton's aggressive driving style. The things is though this has always been Hamilton so they knew who they were signing, maybe the surprise is what it has brought out in Rosberg as it doesn't come naturally to him.

The thing is if/when the time comes and the Mercedes is not clearly the top car you are going to want a driver like Hamilton.
gomezz
10-07-2016
Originally Posted by BinaryDad:
“I have no issues with drivers hanging the other out to dry on a corner. It's good racing, but the issue with Rosberg is that ...”

... he tried to do it going into the corner going way off line to do so rather than the acceptable way of doing it coming out of the corner letting the car take its normal line towards the outside of the track. That is why Hamilton did not have the usual response available of trying to do the cut back underneath on the exit.
alanwarwic
10-07-2016
Traditional racing tells us that side by side corning is very much the norm, it normally only going wrong when one parties tyres fail to hold the curve.

Here you have a driver, when on the inside who now does not even bother to attempt a turn, and when on the outside chooses to turn inwards rather than taking a wide line.

I recall when Alonso was getting similarly outclassed by Hamilton, on the track at least, Alonso pretty much stuck to being a genuine racer.
Casper Gomez
10-07-2016
How many of these celebs actually like F1?
Forza Ferrari
10-07-2016
Quote:
“when on the outside chooses to turn inwards rather than taking a wide line.”

That isn't true of Nicco Rosberg on several occasions when he has been on the outside and lewis ran him wide Nicco had steared off the race track to avoid a collisions. Most recent example would be the start at Canada.

On to the next GP how many safety car laps will we get?
davethecue
10-07-2016
Just had a bit of luck

Bet for there to be a safety car during the race

Wasn't sure whether starting with one would count but winnings are in my account

Nice one weather
MR_Pitkin
10-07-2016
This is just bonkers, what is the point of having wet tyres if you won't let them bloody race!?
Forza Ferrari
10-07-2016
Quite a few tobacco ads this weekend.
Forza Ferrari
10-07-2016
Originally Posted by MR_Pitkin:
“This is just bonkers, what is the point of having wet tyres if you won't let them bloody race!?”

The stewards have to think about all the areas quite a few bits of astro turf bordering the track around here.
BillyBatty
10-07-2016
The best drivers in the world are not allowed to race from the start on a wet track. No wonder people are switching off.
Casper Gomez
10-07-2016
Rosberg was daydreaming.
Forza Ferrari
10-07-2016
Big field spread here. GP2 was the same. Could do with another safety car.
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