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Old 15-07-2016, 11:22
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Is it time to allow full 2-way communication between the pits and the cars? Currently we have the situation where the car can report to the pits, generate a plethora of data for the mechanics to digest, the mechanics can see problems arising and work out what to do to maintain the car. They then have to relate that information to the driver who is navigating a car at 150-215mph and expect him to know exactly how to do it!

We must be able to let the mechanics maintain the car via two-way communication, after all it is a team sport & there are two championships to fight for, constructors & drivers.
Once you remove all this from the drivers realm of responsibility you can make the steering wheel far more simple, just warning lights, rev counter and brake bias controls (this would also help with cost savings).

As for radio communication, I'm support fully the decision to get rid of the coaching that was going on during the races/qualifying. At no point should the pits or pit-wall be telling a driver how to drive whilst they are on the track during a competitive session. In free practice, crack on & do what you want. They'll see the info once they get back to the pits anyway so those sessions should be a free-for-all on radio communications. Once you arrive at Qualifying however, all your homework should be done & you either stay out on track or waste time coming in to the pits to get the info.

During the race or qualifying, the driver should be allowed to communicate their decision on strategy & tactics to the team. The team should not be allowed to advise or dictate this to the driver. This should be the drivers responsibility only once they have left the pits. If they choose the wrong moment to pit, or choose the wrong tyres so be it.
In the pits during the race or qualifying should be the only opportunity for the driver to receive information on strategy/tactics/other drivers/weather etc.. They can choose to receive as much or as little information as they want but only when the car is stationary in the pit box, the time that someone could be physically shouting info to them through their helmet. Again if they sit too long gathering info they run the risk of losing places but that would be the drivers choice.

By restricting the amount of information available to the driver during the race more tactical errors are likely to be made. Drivers are more likely to have to try & overtake. The focus for too long has been about strategy and how to "pass people in the pits" or use the undercut. I'm sick of these phrases and the deployment of these tactics.
If the drivers are forced to overtake more rather than sitting behind waiting for a pit stop, maybe the designers will start to make cars that can follow in dirty air more easily. If the drivers are the ones calling the shots on strategy once in the race, maybe the cream of the crop really will rise to the top.
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Old 15-07-2016, 19:08
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I do agree that communcation between driver and team should be unrestricted in practise sessions.
After all, it is preparation for the serious stuff and learning about where you are.

However, I would like to see telemetry totally banned during qualifying and the race.

If the dashboard is too complex for a driver to understand, then that is an argument for making it more user-friendly. It is not an argument to allow the team to communicate with the driver and tell them what to do.
If the computer system has a glitch, then it should be within the realms of possibility that savvy driver can work hs way around the problem.

In the past before computer wizardry, if a car developed mechanical problems then the driver had to work out how to drive around it, if possible. The best drivers (eg: Ayrton Senna and Michael Schumacher) were able to do this fairly regularly.
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Old 16-07-2016, 09:30
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In the past before computer wizardry, if a car developed mechanical problems then the driver had to work out how to drive around it, if possible. The best drivers (eg: Ayrton Senna and Michael Schumacher) were able to do this fairly regularly.
But we're not in the past any more. If you put all the drivers from today in basic manual cars with no computers and 4th gear stopped working, they would all very quickly and easily realise to not use 4th gear. Toady's cars are just not simple enough for the driver to firstly know how every part of the software/hardware works as far as the computer controlled elements go, and secondly know how to be able to solve that problem whilst doing 200mph and defending the line against the car behind that is trying to pounce on the crippled car.
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Old 18-07-2016, 14:08
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Hungarian GP this weekend. I think Red Bull will be very strong.
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Old 21-07-2016, 14:28
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Gotta say, I think this is absolutely appropriate. If they can't advise the driver on track, then the pit box is the place to do it. In Rosberg's instance in the last race that probably would have meant the initial Chassis mode 01 message, followed by a limp home trip to the pits to be told what to do. That would have given an appropriate penalty for the team having a mechanical failure.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/formula1/3685556
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Old 23-07-2016, 12:52
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Might be a delayed qualifying. Big thunderstorm over hungary right now

Delayed by 10 minutes at least
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Old 23-07-2016, 12:56
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Edit: So Qualifying was delayed by twenty minutes.
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Old 23-07-2016, 13:24
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Did start it but peeing down with rain again
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Old 23-07-2016, 14:11
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5th red flag of Q1
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Old 23-07-2016, 14:19
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So will the programme be extended and please the F1 fans (I hope so!!) or disgruntle the horse racing fans?

EDIT: Racing moved to More4.
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Old 23-07-2016, 14:56
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Son of a gun Rosberg has somehow qualified first despite alonso spinning almost ruining it for everyone
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Old 23-07-2016, 14:59
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Son of a gun Rosberg has somehow qualified first despite alonso spinning almost ruining it for everyone
He did ruin it for pretty much everyone apart from that lucky f***** Rosberg. Hamilton was on a flyer.
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Old 23-07-2016, 15:09
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He did ruin it for pretty much everyone apart from that lucky f***** Rosberg. Hamilton was on a flyer.
And the commentators then have the nerve to say that Rosberg won it fair and square on an outright battle. Bollocks - Hamilton had yellow flags and Rosberg didn't!

IMO, everyone should have had the yellows - or at least delete Rosberg's time. And who are those commentators, as they weren't watching the same race as I was!
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Old 23-07-2016, 15:40
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Hope Rosberg thanks Vettel for that lovely tow across the line. You are welcome Nicco.
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Old 23-07-2016, 16:41
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Yes, a very unsatisfactory finish indeed.
Though it should make for an interesting race tomorrow.
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Old 23-07-2016, 21:19
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I think it was said Rosberg lost a tenth of a second through that yellow, whch sets now sets a precedent.

How do drivers now interpret yellows, and who will be to blame when they interpret it too liberally?
A double yellow can now be interpreted with a green flag.
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Old 24-07-2016, 12:47
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It will be good to see a straight fight between the Mercs if they don't collide again
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Old 24-07-2016, 13:24
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Button is not happy
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Old 24-07-2016, 14:47
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Well done Lewis, excellent win.
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Old 24-07-2016, 14:57
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Well done Lewis, excellent win.
Yes. Justice in the end. There's something very unpleasant about Rosberg.
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Old 24-07-2016, 15:44
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I think they should scrap this ridiculous driver/engineer communication rule.
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Old 24-07-2016, 16:46
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Yes. Justice in the end. There's something very unpleasant about Rosberg.
Yes there really is and I have thought so for a long time now.
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Old 24-07-2016, 16:53
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Yes there really is and I have thought so for a long time now.
Would love to see Hamilton underline his advantage in World Championship by winning German GP
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Old 24-07-2016, 16:54
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Button is not happy
Did seem harsh I thought..

Least one Brit had a good race!
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Old 24-07-2016, 16:55
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Would love to see Hamilton underline his advantage in World Championship by winning German GP
Oh yes that would make my day
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