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Official Formula 1 Thread (Part 8)
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SaddlerSteve
24-07-2016
Originally Posted by yellowlabbie:
“Yes there really is and I have thought so for a long time now.”

He just comes across as very bitter and cynical.
aurichie
25-07-2016
Originally Posted by SaddlerSteve:
“He just comes across as very bitter and cynical.”

Rosberg and Hamilton are as bad as each other. They both want to win, and both will stop at nothing to achieve their objective. None of this is new in F1. Hamilton's fans are dreadful though buying into conspiracy theories every time something goes against their hero. And trying to pretend Hamilton is some kind of saintly force for good, while Rosberg is the evildoer conniving and hell bent on breaking all the rules in order to beat the superhero.
Assa2
25-07-2016
It seems like both drivers have a point. According to the current guidelines a driver should slow by 0.5s in the timing loop where double yellows are being waved. The normal timing loop is 8s long. The timing loop where the double yellows were being waved for Alonso's spin was only 3s long, hence on a pro-rata basis the stewards adjudged that Rosberg's 0.2s slow was sufficient.

Hamilton is making a case that the law is wrong and is doing nothing to ensure safety. Slowing by a certain time doesn't equate to a specific speed reduction or take into account conditions, the track etc... The rule needs to be much harsher. I don't think it's merely sour grapes in his part as he's not the only one talking about this in the padock and it's the second time in 3 races this issue has occured. F1 seems to be all about safety these days so something as fundemental and obviously wrong needs to be addressed.

Simplest solution is that for double waved yellows the VSC be implemented. Everyone has to slow and no-one gains any advantage.
jmclaugh
25-07-2016
Fairly uneventful race apart from the start and Button being non too pleased at McLaren insisting he stay out with a braking problem and no chance of any points.

As for double yellows the rules need to be reviewed as slowing by 0.2 seconds under them is more or less pointless with regard to safety and it wasn't a good weekend for the stewards with quite a few complaints about their decisions.
alanwarwic
25-07-2016
They need to do something quick.

From now on, for double yellow, drivers will lift and press near instantaneously.
There will be no leeway for hidden danger.
Fudd
25-07-2016
Originally Posted by aurichie:
“Rosberg and Hamilton are as bad as each other. They both want to win, and both will stop at nothing to achieve their objective. None of this is new in F1. Hamilton's fans are dreadful though buying into conspiracy theories every time something goes against their hero. And trying to pretend Hamilton is some kind of saintly force for good, while Rosberg is the evildoer conniving and hell bent on breaking all the rules in order to beat the superhero.”

Exactly. Hamilton is a nasty piece of work and is only getting away with it on a British forum due to his nationality; otherwise he'd be viewed in the same way as Michael Schumacher was. This is proven by continually to harp on about the end of qualifying on Saturday, claiming that his team mate didn't respect the rules even though the stewards declared that he did... whilst Rosberg sat next to him! Why not deal with it in private, or even speak to Charlie Whiting about it in private, rather than make a public announcement which is going to do nothing but cause more agitation and upset. And that's not even without considering his actions yesterday, seemingly backing up Rosberg into the clutches of the Red Bull's yet suddenly finding pace when the pit wall gave him a pit stop warning.

Hamilton constantly goads, undermines and slates for personal gain and decides talking should be done off as well as on the track. He's not and has never been a team player and it is he himself who never shows respect to others - at least not within the sport.
homer911
25-07-2016
Originally Posted by Fudd:
“Exactly. Hamilton is a nasty piece of work and is only getting away with it on a British forum due to his nationality; otherwise he'd be viewed in the same way as Michael Schumacher was. This is proven by continually to harp on about the end of qualifying on Saturday, claiming that his team mate didn't respect the rules even though the stewards declared that he did... whilst Rosberg sat next to him! Why not deal with it in private, or even speak to Charlie Whiting about it in private, rather than make a public announcement which is going to do nothing but cause more agitation and upset. And that's not even without considering his actions yesterday, seemingly backing up Rosberg into the clutches of the Red Bull's yet suddenly finding pace when the pit wall gave him a pit stop warning.

Hamilton constantly goads, undermines and slates for personal gain and decides talking should be done off as well as on the track. He's not and has never been a team player and it is he himself who never shows respect to others - at least not within the sport.”

I always thought Hamilton got undeserved hate but this whole post is taking things WAY too far and seriously.

Man.

With some people they just see what they want to see., nasty piece of work? seriously dude.
skinj
25-07-2016
Originally Posted by Fudd:
“Exactly. Hamilton is a nasty piece of work and is only getting away with it on a British forum due to his nationality; otherwise he'd be viewed in the same way as Michael Schumacher was. This is proven by continually to harp on about the end of qualifying on Saturday, claiming that his team mate didn't respect the rules even though the stewards declared that he did... whilst Rosberg sat next to him! Why not deal with it in private, or even speak to Charlie Whiting about it in private, rather than make a public announcement which is going to do nothing but cause more agitation and upset. And that's not even without considering his actions yesterday, seemingly backing up Rosberg into the clutches of the Red Bull's yet suddenly finding pace when the pit wall gave him a pit stop warning.

Hamilton constantly goads, undermines and slates for personal gain and decides talking should be done off as well as on the track. He's not and has never been a team player and it is he himself who never shows respect to others - at least not within the sport.”

Hamilton had a legitimate concern that he wanted to air re the double yellow flags situation, as did many other drivers/teams. Doing in in public exerts more pressure on the FIA to do something about it compared with behind closed doors.
Doing it while sat next to Rosberg is just a bonus for Hamilton, especially after taking the points lead in the championship. The only thing he did wrong was not to wind Rosberg up more and say at then of his moan that "Rosberg getting pole didn't matter anyway as I beat him off the start and had no issues keeping him behind for the rest of the race".
As for backing him up, so what? It's his race to dictate up to the point where the team says differently. He knows full well that Rosberg generally can't overtake him and he has an engine to look after for as long as he can. Every decent driver would do exactly the same.
If they had unlimited engines to use & tyres that could stomach being pushed for long periods I'm sure he would be pushing far harder, if anything just to demoralise Rosberg and the other teams.
yellowlabbie
25-07-2016
Originally Posted by Fudd:
“Exactly. Hamilton is a nasty piece of work and is only getting away with it on a British forum due to his nationality; otherwise he'd be viewed in the same way as Michael Schumacher was. This is proven by continually to harp on about the end of qualifying on Saturday, claiming that his team mate didn't respect the rules even though the stewards declared that he did... whilst Rosberg sat next to him! Why not deal with it in private, or even speak to Charlie Whiting about it in private, rather than make a public announcement which is going to do nothing but cause more agitation and upset. And that's not even without considering his actions yesterday, seemingly backing up Rosberg into the clutches of the Red Bull's yet suddenly finding pace when the pit wall gave him a pit stop warning.

Hamilton constantly goads, undermines and slates for personal gain and decides talking should be done off as well as on the track. He's not and has never been a team player and it is he himself who never shows respect to others - at least not within the sport.”

Haha, Rosberg is another Schumacher, he's dangerous in my opinion. He nearly cost Lewis the Championship last season with his "silly mistakes"
homer911
25-07-2016
Yeah i don't get the Schumacher and Hamilton comparison at all, people hated Schumacher because he took out Hill to stop him winning the championship and tried to do the same thing to Villeneuve but failed.
Fudd
26-07-2016
Originally Posted by skinj:
“Hamilton had a legitimate concern that he wanted to air re the double yellow flags situation, as did many other drivers/teams. Doing in in public exerts more pressure on the FIA to do something about it compared with behind closed doors.
Doing it while sat next to Rosberg is just a bonus for Hamilton, especially after taking the points lead in the championship. The only thing he did wrong was not to wind Rosberg up more and say at then of his moan that "Rosberg getting pole didn't matter anyway as I beat him off the start and had no issues keeping him behind for the rest of the race".
As for backing him up, so what? It's his race to dictate up to the point where the team says differently. He knows full well that Rosberg generally can't overtake him and he has an engine to look after for as long as he can. Every decent driver would do exactly the same.
If they had unlimited engines to use & tyres that could stomach being pushed for long periods I'm sure he would be pushing far harder, if anything just to demoralise Rosberg and the other teams.”

And if the shoe was on the other foot and Rosberg was the one mouthing off and stirring would there be acceptance on here? No. Though I'm sure he'd be given some slack on the German F1 forum.

You may have guessed by now that I cannot really Hamilton - I feel his attitude is childish and pathetic and has been from the off in regards to racing and it's been seen on and off the track. Maybe nasty piece of work is a stretch too far but he's certainly not someone who I'd value as a teammate.
Minkinit
26-07-2016
Originally Posted by Fudd:
“And if the shoe was on the other foot and Rosberg was the one mouthing off and stirring would there be acceptance on here? No. Though I'm sure he'd be given some slack on the German F1 forum.

You may have guessed by now that I cannot really Hamilton - I feel his attitude is childish and pathetic and has been from the off in regards to racing and it's been seen on and off the track. Maybe nasty piece of work is a stretch too far but he's certainly not someone who I'd value as a teammate.”

i think that the majority of it is just for show. Keep the cameras on Mercedes is what they want.

If Mercedes really had a problem, they could employ team orders and No. 1 status , how marvellous would races be with Either Hamilton or Rosberg leading, whilst the other driver backs the field up / covers any potential threat.

I personally want to see more squabbling, see them run each of off the track. I would love them to get out of the car after a race and square up to each other.
Forza Ferrari
28-07-2016
It sounds like they can say everything on the radio again.

Except formation lap information.
soapfan_1973
28-07-2016
No Halo next season by the sounds of it
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/formula1/36919451
kev
29-07-2016
Originally Posted by Forza Ferrari:
“It sounds like they can say everything on the radio again.

Except formation lap information.”

If they have technical issues on the formation lap can they not discuss them? Fair enough say that if they do it's a pit lane start but a blanket ban seems a bit daft?
Coloni_F1
29-07-2016
Originally Posted by soapfan_1973:
“No Halo next season by the sounds of it
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/formula1/36919451”

Hopefully. I think they are awful looking things.
roger_50
29-07-2016
I do worry about the halo design. Especially if another car mounts the cockpit and buckles the halo into the driver's head. Or if a buckled halo prevents a driver leaping out of a burning car after a huge impact.

They can only make it so strong. I know I'd prefer to race without one.
Forza Ferrari
29-07-2016
So I hear in quailfying the red flag will replace the yellow one. Anybody got an idea how this will work?
alanwarwic
29-07-2016
What it says on the tin, but for double yellows only I think.

It had to happen I guess, my last comment being right about the ambiguity of Rosbergs pole on double yellows compromising safety.
Forza Ferrari
30-07-2016
Well I don't think it will take long for many sets of tyres to be wasted in this way before people start complaining about it.

Would make it even easier to do something a bit cynical at the end of Q3.

Without that anybody who gets there first run wrong in Q3 can end up really unlucky on their last run now.
Mark F
30-07-2016
Advantage back to Rosberg potentially?

Hamilton might get punished for an un-safe release in the pit lane.
Forza Ferrari
30-07-2016
Johnny must be worried there is a find the next Herbert contest going on in the pit lane behind sky crew.
Forza Ferrari
30-07-2016
Totto Wolf talking some sense on track limits.
ACU
30-07-2016
According to sky, Hamilton went to the stewards to discuss Rosbergs pole position at the last race. Just proves what an unpleasant, despicable p**ck he is. Complaining about your team mate is as low as you can get.

Paddy lowe when asked about it, said it was unfortunate and its something Hamilton should have done through the team. You can tell he was giving the PR speak, and not what he really felt.

Mercedes do need to do something about Hamilton, hes forgetting its the team that give him the car.

This is the first race I will probably watch in weeks...hope its interesting. F1 just isnt what it used to be. Just cant be bothered to tune in and watch it anymore.
Zangief
30-07-2016
i see steve jones still hasnt improved

confusing rosberg with "dear diary moment" "and speaking of behind action"
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