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Official Formula 1 Thread (Part 8)
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Forza Ferrari
19-09-2016
Originally Posted by k0213818:
“The Kvyat/ Verstappen battle was pretty good.”

I don't think it was the worst GP weekend of the year but people seem quite negative about it.

Is the season now too long for the fans?
homer911
19-09-2016
Originally Posted by Forza Ferrari:
“I don't think it was the worst GP weekend of the year but people seem quite negative about it.

Is the season now too long for the fans?”

To me the season is 3 or 4 races too long.

I have said it before but F1 used to feel like an event to me as the races where not that frequent, as a kid i would check the calendar to see if there was a race coming up this weekend and be disappointed if there wasn't one.

This season it's the opposite, there are so many races that i look forward to the weekends where there are not GP as i need a break.

I think that's why i think this season is the worst ever because the races just keep coming you don't get to forget. In previous years where it was 15 races over 8 months even when the races were bad it was a bit out of sight out of mind you just wanted to see a GP as it had been 3 weeks since the last one.

They have to get back to making a F1 weekend feel like an event again and not just another race to get to a championship i don't care about because they are not racing each other for it on the track.
Lin4237
19-09-2016
Originally Posted by Forza Ferrari:
“I don't think it was the worst GP weekend of the year but people seem quite negative about it.

Is the season now too long for the fans?”

For me it was the most boring race so far.

I think Liberty have bought into F1 but are not the sole owners I do believe. It will be interesting to see what, if, there are any changes.
The Scout
19-09-2016
It wasn't the worst race of the season but it wasn't great.

I think homer911 sums up things pretty well, though it has to be said better racing would make all the difference.

If it wasn't for the Mercedes taking eachother out in Spain, a Mercedes driver would have won every race this season. There's no reason to expect this trend won't continue until the end of the season, especially as Singapore was probably the one remaining race that had the potential for something different.

For as boring and predictable as other seasons have been panned as, at least there has always been at least 3 races or so that have had a different winner. This season looks like being a near-total whitewash.
homer911
19-09-2016
Originally Posted by The Scout:
“It wasn't the worst race of the season but it wasn't great.

I think homer911 sums up things pretty well, though it has to be said better racing would make all the difference.

If it wasn't for the Mercedes taking eachother out in Spain, a Mercedes driver would have won every race this season. There's no reason to expect this trend won't continue until the end of the season, especially as Singapore was probably the one remaining race that had the potential for something different.

For as boring and predictable as other seasons have been panned as, at least there has always been at least 3 races or so that have had a different winner. This season looks like being a near-total whitewash.”

Yeah if F1 were produces great on track action every GP then the amount of races wouldn't be as big of an issue, i think i am just past hoping that F1 can produce consistent great racing over the course of a season.

I think the Mercedes dominance wouldn't be as big of a deal if ...

1) The Mercedes drivers were battling for wins on the track all race long, that hasn't happened once this season.

2) If there was great racing down the grid to make up for nothing happening at the top, there hasn't been.
Smufter
20-09-2016
Originally Posted by Lin4237:
“For me it was the most boring race so far. ”

I hate to admit it, but I fell asleep again......
Grouty
21-09-2016
Apple in talks to buy McLaren.
deadmancarl
21-09-2016
Originally Posted by Grouty:
“Apple in talks to buy McLaren.”

Source??
Grouty
21-09-2016
Originally Posted by deadmancarl:
“Source??”

Original source was the BBC News.

https://www.theguardian.com/business...a-one-supercar

Its being reported all over the shop.
Assa2
22-09-2016
It's been denied by both parties... which probably means there's some truth to it. It's the road car division they're interested in so I wouldn't be surprised if the deal didn't include the race team or if they sold that off after any deal.
ACU
26-09-2016
Having watched F1 for nearly 20 odd years, I have virtually given up with the sport. I think I have watched around 5 races, some of those at x12 speed. Its lost its draw for me. Ask anyone whos watched a decade or more of F1, name their top 5 races/top 5 incidents - none will be from the last 5 odd years.

With the new owners, I think it will get worse. I can see them having 3 or 4 races in the US, something that Chase has already let slip. Whilst I think they will do more and get more electronic content out - it will be at a cost i.e. behind a pay wall. I can see Europe losing races. Also see countries that dont fall in the 'right' timezone for the US market airing timings disappearing.

Whilst most people have a disliking for Bernie (I dont), I think alot more will appreciate what Bernie has done, once the new lot have been in charge for 3 or 4 years of this lot in charge.

I think Bernie has done the right thing, and will be getting out in just the nick of time. Although maybe a year late if you ask me. He should have made last season his last.
Assa2
26-09-2016
I think that's a very pessemistic view of the future. Not saying you're wrong, mind. Sure we'll see some more races in the US although 4 is a bit much. Eventually maybe but they'll have to grow the sport first which is going to take years. I don't think they'll take away traditional European races, though. If anything they'll increase the number of races in Europe and do away with some of the races in Asia as the timezone difference is even worse. I think they'll try to make it less expensive to race by simplyfying the formula and make the split of prize money fairer from 2020 so we should see the field grow. My worry is they'll americanise the format too much though - points for fastest lap and/or pole, sprint races, safety car at every little thing so the pack closes up again etc... I like NASCAR and Indy but i like them because they're different to F1. I don't want F1 to become the same.
Forza Ferrari
26-09-2016
What if they make three F1s.

F1 America
F1 Europe
F1 Global

They can add loads of American races and teams.
Bring back lots of the European GPs and you've still got lots to fly round to.

Three different franchises three different pay deals per country.

Bad news is Silverstone won't fit in any of the three so I guess the british GP is cancelled again.
kev
26-09-2016
Originally Posted by Forza Ferrari:
“What if they make three F1s.

F1 America
F1 Europe
F1 Global

They can add loads of American races and teams.
Bring back lots of the European GPs and you've still got lots to fly round to.

Three different franchises three different pay deals per country.

Bad news is Silverstone won't fit in any of the three so I guess the british GP is cancelled again.”

Even if we do leave verb. allow or cause to remain the EU we'll still be in Europe along with Monaco which isn't in the EU either....

As of 2016 we have...

Middle East, Asia, Australia 9 (including the European Grand Prix)
America 4
Europe 8

So America(s) are an obvious target - with the likes of Germany struggling to afford it I wonder if we'll end up with a few more alternating races in the coming years? The Asian timezones will be even worse for America too (especially as I doubt you'd want F1 to be on American Prime Time TV or directly against American sports if you want to build a big audience). A couple of later starts in Europe would improve the US times too - e.g. a 15:00 start becomes 09:00 on the East Coast, or 08:00 if that's the British Grand Prix.
DanielF
26-09-2016
Originally Posted by Forza Ferrari:
“Bad news is Silverstone won't fit in any of the three so I guess the british GP is cancelled again.”

Have you and FOM Fan ever been seen in the same room together?
Forza Ferrari
27-09-2016
It would have gone in F1 Europe before but you know...
DanielF
27-09-2016
Originally Posted by Forza Ferrari:
“It would have gone in F1 Europe before but you know...”

Why wouldn't it be in Europe? Has someone put our island on a V12 and moved us to the middle of the Atlantic?
ACU
28-09-2016
Whilst I agree that my view is a bit pessimistic, I cant help think the new owners wont be a good thing. The sad thing is, I no longer really care what happens to F1. I hope it does improve, then maybe I will become a fan again.

I think the new owners will do some good, like Assa mentioned money being split more equally among the teams. However I dont think they can alienate the big teams. If they want to grow the crows in the US, they have to keep recognised car makers like Ferrari, Mercedes on board. Who in the US knows Force India or Williams? Certainly not your average Joe. To build an audience, they need brands the US market can relate to.

Good point about the safety car, I can see them deploying one as often as they can. It will allow them to cut to ad breaks. THey will need to cut to as many ad breaks as they can. Anyone who watched Nascar, Indy car do they cut to ad breaks often/never/only when there is no racing i.e. safety car?

I lot of people in the UK watch F1, as there is nothing much else they do on a Sunday afternoon. Or its on in the background as they do something else. If the timing changed to say, 8am - 10am, how many of these casual viewers will watch?

I think the new owners wont be silly to get rid of the key European races like the British, Italian (keep Ferrair happy) and Monaco GPs, that would be suicidal. However they will have to make room for the potentially new races in the US. So most likely Far East would lose their races (as others have said). So not good news for China, Malaysia and Singapore. You could probably throw in Australia into that group. The middle east could move their times to coincide with US times. But I cant see a bright future for them either. If I was any of these countries, I would sign up long term contracts with Bernie - if they still can.

Going by the US mindset and its political and media agendas, you certainly wouldnt want racing in Muslim countries.
Forza Ferrari
28-09-2016
Quote:
“If they want to grow the crows in the US, they have to keep recognised car makers like Ferrari, Mercedes on board. Who in the US knows Force India or Williams? Certainly not your average Joe. To build an audience, they need brands the US market can relate to.”

See that's why I think they need to Franchise.

Ferrari and Mercedes don't mean as much to the Americans as Ford, dodge, caddi, etc.
mattlamb
30-09-2016
Originally Posted by Forza Ferrari:
“See that's why I think they need to Franchise.

Ferrari and Mercedes don't mean as much to the Americans as Ford, dodge, caddi, etc.”

I think most potential fans in the USA would care more about seeing good racing, whoever the teams involved are.

If I watch Indycar, I don;t care if I have heard of the teams involved or not.
dearmrman
30-09-2016
Originally Posted by mattlamb:
“I think most potential fans in the USA would care more about seeing good racing, whoever the teams involved are.

If I watch Indycar, I don;t care if I have heard of the teams involved or not.”

You might not, but American's will...they will want home grown talent and manufacturers competing and winning, otherwise it will get boring quickly for them if they have no one to cheer on.
tasker
30-09-2016
That 1 piece of video of Magnussen scrambling out of his car shows why halo is a very bad thing.
Stupid idea, he would have had a hell of a job getting out of there.
Forza Ferrari
01-10-2016
About the Kmag fire and halo what I think is had he still been in the car when the extenguishers went off we would have been fine. That is in those circumstances though. Had he been out on track then it would be a different story.

If halo is to be introduced then more of these questions need to be answered.

For one thing I think the halo needs somehow to be integrated with the head restraint. Then if necessary the driver can release and throw the whole thing off.

Still that wouldn't help for an upside down car.
davethecue
02-10-2016
Collision at the first corner puts Vettel out and Rosberg down to 17th after a virtual safety car
Colin_London
02-10-2016
Hamiltons mechanical failure again - surely this season cannot just be bad luck now?
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