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The FIA are inept in this situation. It was clear Max was backing Vettel into Ricciardo. They should have told Max to give the place straight away. Then the Vettel/Ricciardo situation would not have happened.
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Not even close. Again you are proven wrong when Vettel was ahanded a penalty after the race. Its strange knowing that, you still posted what you did. What has Vettel's penalty for another matter got to do with it?
Many drivers over the years have straight lined a corner, and rarely has a penalty been given for it. They take the line of least resistance to rejoin the track. If Max had rejoined between t2 and t3 he would have backed up Vettel even more than Vettel claims he did. The claim he should have done this has only come about because it would mean he would have had to let Vettel pass. Quote:
Vettels problem was caused by the FIA not telling Max to give the place to Vettel. Something Red Bull told him to do, but he ignored them as well.
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I liked Max when he started racing, now I think he is a bit of a ****. Maybe its because hes still young, and mature with age. I hope he does. He does need to learn that not every gap is an overtaking opportunity.
What has this got to do with anything? I am far from a Verstappen fan but he was defending a position not attempting to overtake. During this defense and made a mistake, and people for some reason expect him to have done something no other driver would have done if they were in the same position.
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Having been to the Abu Dhabi GP, I would say it should be the place where the title is decided. Awesome track, awesome facilities, awesome country. Although I hope its decided in Brazil.
I am surprised you like Abu Dhabi so much. I can see how the area could be fun with Ferrari world but as a venue for racing i think it's terrible. The whole track is tight slow turns and that blue border which adds nothing. All over the world I am fed up seeing cars disapear behind bridges. Even more fed up of Heineken hoardings making ever GP track look down right tacky. |
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Vettel has got away with zero consequences for his rant(s).
http://www.skysports.com/f1/news/241...exican-gp-rant |
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I think Jordan & Coulthard should be penalised for wearing those tight tennage trousers myself, red & the other white who wears them ?
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Well sky would surely be in the dock for exposing us to johhny herbert, not to mention davidson.
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They should be penalised for even being on TV in the first place..
But Coulthard? I like him. |
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Team mates backing a driver into their team mate happens all of the time in all matter of racing categories, it would appear it is only an issue when it is a Ferrari driver that is the one on the receiving end and gets a penalty for crashing does it become an issue.
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What has Vettel's penalty for another matter got to do with it?
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Many drivers over the years have straight lined a corner, and rarely has a penalty been given for it. They take the line of least resistance to rejoin the track.
If Max had rejoined between t2 and t3 he would have backed up Vettel even more than Vettel claims he did. The claim he should have done this has only come about because it would mean he would have had to let Vettel pass. Quote:
Red Bull initially advised him to, but then later told him not to as it was under investigation.
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What has this got to do with anything? I am far from a Verstappen fan but he was defending a position not attempting to overtake. During this defense and made a mistake, and people for some reason expect him to have done something no other driver would have done if they were in the same position.
My point about Max, was the arrogance he showed in the interview afterwards. I agree with what he said about Vettel and his bad language. He did look an idiot, when he denied he backed Vettel into Ricciardo. Getting chucked out of the green room was harsh, but them the brakes. After all said and done, it was a problem started by the FIA for not giving Hamilton a penalty for jumping the first corner on the first lap. They then though we cant punish Max for doing the same. However when they realised Max was backing Vettel into Ricciardo, they then acted after the race. The issue was further compounded when Vettel made a banned move whilst defending, something that wouldnt have happened if the FIA has done its job properly. So they punished Vettel after the race as well. It was a comedy of errors by the FIA. Whoever was the drivers steward that weekend. I hope they dont do the job again, they were useless. Although I have a sneaking suspicion someone high up had a word, and told him not to punish Lewis. We dont wasnt to spoil the spectacle. |
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Well at Brazil any win will do for Rosberg. I don't think he looks too much like winning a GP at the moment. He's not had a lot of luck at Brazil so perhapes that is going to change round this time.
I am surprised you like Abu Dhabi so much. I can see how the area could be fun with Ferrari world but as a venue for racing i think it's terrible. The whole track is tight slow turns and that blue border which adds nothing. All over the world I am fed up seeing cars disapear behind bridges. Even more fed up of Heineken hoardings making ever GP track look down right tacky. With Abu Dhabi, I was referring to the facilities, the area and the country., or should say emirate. Compare the facilities at Abu Dhabi to say something like Silverstone, and it makes Silverstone look like a dump. We arrived on race day, about 90mins before the race. No traffic issues whatsoever, the taxi driver dropped us of at one of the carparks, and it was a 2min walk to the entrance. We had box seats on the main straight, so the food was provided all day, excellent view. We could sit inside in air conditioned room, or sit outside on the seats. An enjoyable experience. As for it being a poor track to race on, that may well be the case. However which of Tilkes tracks arent? The thing with the blue border, you instantly know its the Abu Dhabi track. |
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With Abu Dhabi, I was referring to the facilities, the area and the country., or should say emirate. Compare the facilities at Abu Dhabi to say something like Silverstone, and it makes Silverstone look like a dump. We arrived on race day, about 90mins before the race. No traffic issues whatsoever, the taxi driver dropped us of at one of the carparks, and it was a 2min walk to the entrance. We had box seats on the main straight, so the food was provided all day, excellent view. We could sit inside in air conditioned room, or sit outside on the seats. An enjoyable experience
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Sounds no different to a standard corporate hospitality suite at Silverstone. Maybe better to compare the experiences of someone with a general access ticket only: Food stalls and loos, access to trackside views?
From what I remember, the corporate tickets were around 3x the price of the tickets we bought. |
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Another teen in F1 replacing Massa at Williams.
In because he has the talent or just the money? http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/formula1/37860557 |
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Another teen in F1 replacing Massa at Williams.
In because he has the talent or just the money? http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/formula1/37860557 |
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So is Ross Brawn taking over from Bernie E? Or possibly about to do a job share whilst he learns the ropes?
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IRC Williams do post a profit, so they don't need money. But if the kids got talent and brings an extra few pounds then why not?
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Rosberg still on course to win the title. No one more deserving on the grid than him.
It does make it better as a spectator as the title is still not decided and we are in November. I'm sure Bernie will like that, |
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The fact that he was only ever racing his tem mate anyway, who has had a lot of bad luck during the course of the season. Its still not over yet and I would say Hamilton is the better driver. Nico has been able to cruise in some races because there has been no threat from Hamilton.
It does make it better as a spectator as the title is still not decided and we are in November. I'm sure Bernie will like that, Since its 'always' Hamilton that has problems, as he claims. You have to think a lot of his 'bad' luck has been brought on himself. His driving style obviously doesnt suit the merc. So not really bad luck, but unable to drive the car in a way that wont end up damaging the parts. If the title went to the best driver, Alonso should have won it over the last few years. However its not awarded to the best driver, but to the driver in the best car. Mercs have, by far, the best car over the last three years. As a spectator, I have gone of F1 in a big way. Having watched every quali and race for around 15+ years, this year was the first time where I couldnt be bothered. I have only watched around 7 or 8 races. Most of those have been on fast forward. |
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I hear there is a high chance of rain on Sunday. Terrible news for Rosberg if this is true given how badly he has driven in the wet thise year.
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The BBC Weather app says it's gonna rain all day today AND tomorrow in Sao Paulo! Heaviest showers are due at 1PM today & 4PM on Sunday. Dunno if the times are local or GMT...
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Alonso sums up how bad F1 is these days ;
Alonso spent the final 35 minutes of the 90-minute session at Interlagos looking on from the sidelines after he was forced to pull his McLaren off track due to a data anomaly found in the ERS water pressure. He said what he saw from the trackside - and from an FOM camera he commandeered for a spell - left him bored. "Fans want to see fast cars, something where you cannot close your mouth after you see the car passing," said Alonso "I was 30 minutes today outside the circuit and I was sleeping. "Thankfully I found this chair and this camera. If not, it's impossible [to watch]. "We should pay the people who are in the grandstands to watch the cars passing." That is how I have felt this season more than ever. Even on race day, take away the first 2/3 laps, 90% of the rest of the race is just flat out boring and offers no excitement what so ever. |
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Even driven in flat out current F1 cars are still bland to watch the drivers are no longer able to play with the throttle mid corner or use power to pivot the cars etc. The way the power is delivered they have to rely on torque management systems. The traction control cars were more exciting.
I hope adding down force next year will actually make the cars better. This is another reason why the boring talk from the likes of Brundle about track limits is negative for the sport. It is drivers trying to make up for deficiencies in there cars that use the extra space. Once you force them not to do that and to all follow the same line round the track you more so just line them up in chassis performance order. Determined by power delivery and areo load. |
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I hope adding down force next year will actually make the cars better.
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The sport needs less down force not more.
The inmportant thing is that the areo dynamics don't over work the air making it dirty and that the areo isn't too fiddly that the cars are sensitive to following each other. At the moment that main reason the car behind feels the been to drop back is that the tyres over heat. Next year the tyres are to be more durable. Also at the moment the drivers are scared to light the rears as it puts them in to thermal deg. More down force helps with that also. I think we just need to keep an open mind about next year. |
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Right now i have a feeling we need more down force. These hybrids are like turbo diesels from the 80s prepared to the progressive way the V8s and V10s delivered power. Dumping downforce on to the cars will help with this i feel.
The inmportant thing is that the areo dynamics don't over work the air making it dirty and that the areo isn't too fiddly that the cars are sensitive to following each other. At the moment that main reason the car behind feels the been to drop back is that the tyres over heat. Next year the tyres are to be more durable. Also at the moment the drivers are scared to light the rears as it puts them in to thermal deg. More down force helps with that also. I think we just need to keep an open mind about next year. The tyres next year will be bigger but the speed and stresses put on them will be greater negating the benefit of the tyres. If you put the bigger wheels/tyres on this years cars we might have an advantage for grip. I would much rather see big wheels/tyre used, the aero massively reduced, the dirty air monitored and regulated to much lower levels and other banned tech re-instated. I'd love to see active suspension back in F1. It's been on road cars for years and would massively help with cornering speeds and excitement. Active Aero could be used far more allowing the designers to have wings that increase the df as speed increases like most top-end hypercars. I'd like to see the front wings massively reduced in width. They're just ridiculous and way too complicated. They should be no wider than the inside edge of the front wheels . The rear wings, as I think is happening, will be wider and lower which will look much nicer but maybe create a wider dirty air trail to follow which is not what we need. |
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The BBC Weather app says it's gonna rain all day today AND tomorrow in Sao Paulo! Heaviest showers are due at 1PM today & 4PM on Sunday. Dunno if the times are local or GMT...
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The BBC Weather app says it's gonna rain all day today AND tomorrow in Sao Paulo! Heaviest showers are due at 1PM today & 4PM on Sunday. Dunno if the times are local or GMT...
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Alonso sums up how bad F1 is these days ;
"We should pay the people who are in the grandstands to watch the cars passing." That is how I have felt this season more than ever. Even on race day, take away the first 2/3 laps, 90% of the rest of the race is just flat out boring and offers no excitement what so ever. |
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