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Official Formula 1 Thread (Part 8)
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Matt35
27-11-2016
Originally Posted by JLaw:
“It's interesting that Damon Hill just said that he was asked in the Mercedes garage what he would do in Lewis' position. Damon said that he would have done the same thing.”

Of course he would. There was no other way in that situation. It's not nice but that's racing.
Darren Lethem
27-11-2016
I felt embarrassed for Hamilton with his petulant behaviour. The classier guy won the title

Slight aside but I don't get the Andy Murray comments. I fail to see how that comes into it. Two incredible British sporting superstars. Cant we celebrate both rather than one over the other ?
JLaw
27-11-2016
Originally Posted by Matt35:
“Of course he would. There was no other way in that situation. It's not nice but that's racing.”

Yes, Damon said what I was expecting him to say. I don't blame Lewis to be honest.

What do you think the turning point was this year in the drivers' championship? I think the engine failure (DNF) in Malaysia cost Lewis dearly. This was the turning point for me.

Congrats to Nico.
Forza Ferrari
27-11-2016
Originally Posted by anyonefortennis:
“No wonder F1 is so boring with so many Germans running it.”

New balls please.
Forza Ferrari
27-11-2016
Originally Posted by JasonWatkins:
“I can see Hamilton essentially turning on his team in the coming weeks and being openly critical of them because he "only" lost the title by 5 points.”

You would really have to question his Japanese GP weekend. He was expected tp win there but it was bizarre behaviour from him all weekend.

Lewis has been faster than Nicco over the year but still key moments when he leta Nicco beat him due to other non racing factors.

It's a big weakness for him. The there is how self interested he is going against the teams best interest on many occasions in his career.

He will always be a naturally fast driver but i doubt he will ever be complete.
Chief_Wiggum
27-11-2016
Originally Posted by sarahj1986:
“Just out of interest has any other driver won the most races but still lost? Lewis won the most didn't he”

It has happened before. Ironically, it was in 2008, when Hamilton won his first ever world championship on points despite winning fewer races than Felipe Massa. Now, Hamilton will get a taste of how Felipe felt on that day.
Matt35
27-11-2016
Originally Posted by JLaw:
“Yes, Damon said what I was expecting him to say. I don't blame Lewis to be honest.

What do you think the turning point was this year in the drivers' championship? I think the engine failure (DNF) in Malaysia cost Lewis dearly. This was the turning point for me.

Congrats to Nico.”

Yes Malaysia was a turning point. In the end bad luck for Lewis lost him the title. He's been the better driver without a doubt and if he gets the reliability next year what nico got then Lewis will win it back.
Darren Lethem
27-11-2016
Originally Posted by Matt35:
“Yes Malaysia was a turning point. In the end bad luck for Lewis lost him the title. He's been the better driver without a doubt and if he gets the reliability next year what nico got then Lewis will win it back.”

Not Nico's consistency ? It isn't just about winning races, its finishing them as far up the leaderboard as you can. Rosberg did that.
Get Den Watts
27-11-2016
Originally Posted by Darren Lethem:
“Not Nico's consistency ? It isn't just about winning races, its finishing them as far up the leaderboard as you can. Rosberg did that.”

And also Lewis Hamilton's bad starts were a major factor, especially Japan.

However, the Mercedes team probably but grease on Hamilton's gloves in secret, meaning he couldn't grip the steering wheel properly.
siriusrose
27-11-2016
Really happy that Rosberg won this, great job all season.
Matt35
27-11-2016
Originally Posted by Darren Lethem:
“Not Nico's consistency ? It isn't just about winning races, its finishing them as far up the leaderboard as you can. Rosberg did that.”

And without the bad luck Lewis had rosberg wouldn't have been in the position he was in. We'll see where consistency get nico next year.
SmoggyTheTowny
27-11-2016
Originally Posted by TVScourge:
“Well done Rosberg. That shows what consistency can do.”

Yup, winning you a championship thanks to an overall mediocre season. Sums up Nico perfectly, a mediocre driver in a top car that only won because of the misfortunes of the only other person that could challenge him.

Nico is a deserving champion, but he certainly is not the most deserving.
SmoggyTheTowny
27-11-2016
Originally Posted by Matt35:
“And had he not done what he did, it would have been an absolutely dull race.”

I agree with this. Thanks to Lewis what could have been a very boring race resulted in the race being worthy of the end of the season.
The title decider that pretty much went down to the last corner of the last race.

Sod the title decided with races to go. This is how it should end.
SmoggyTheTowny
27-11-2016
Originally Posted by Chief_Wiggum:
“Nico Rosberg's championship win once again exposing the folly of Formula One- you don't need to be the best driver to win the World Championship.

Perhaps the most unimpressive Championship win in the last decade of Formula One.”

You just need the best car

But then Vettel proved this already in previous years
d'@ve
27-11-2016
Originally Posted by Matt35:
“And without the bad luck Lewis had rosberg wouldn't have been in the position he was in. We'll see where consistency get nico next year.”

Bad luck yes but equally, bad starts. if he hadn't messed up some of them, he'd be world champion today.

I'm a HAM supporter and he's undoubtedly a faster driver than ROS but the fastest driver doesn't always win championships. ROS deserves his championship for the same reason the champion PL football team deserves to win it even if referees' decisions 'gave' it to them - because they have the most points. Simple as that.

Thoroughly enjoyed today's race I have to say, HAM did everything he could possibly do to increase his chances and he skilfully put ROS under intense and sustained pressure. Fair play to ROS though, he handled it, so well done to him. I can't help wondering though if VET and VES decided not to play the HAM game and if they did, that's fine too, all's fair in love and war. Congrats to ROS, better luck next time HAM.
Arcana
27-11-2016
Originally Posted by sarahj1986:
“Just out of interest has any other driver won the most races but still lost? Lewis won the most didn't he”

Massa won 6 races in 2008...but Hamilton won the title despite winning 1 fewer race.

Kinda poetic. 😈
SmoggyTheTowny
27-11-2016
Originally Posted by Darren Lethem:
“Not Nico's consistency ? It isn't just about winning races, its finishing them as far up the leaderboard as you can. Rosberg did that.”

When you compare the results over the season, both of them are fairly equal in terms of results. Both of them have overall had a mediocre season.
Lewis' results are overall slightly better and it was the DNF in Malaysia that ultimately cost him the title.
5 points is the difference, and without Lewis' extra DNF compared to Nico, Lewis would have had a larger winning margin.
Nico deserves the championship, he put in the performances to get him where he is but he ultimately lucked into it.
TeeGee
27-11-2016
I get a feeling that just about any other driver on the grid could have won with a Mercedes. Jensen Button gets my most sympathy for having to spend his retirement season in one of the worst cars ever put out in a F1 race.
Darren Lethem
27-11-2016
Originally Posted by SmoggyTheTowny:
“When you compare the results over the season, both of them are fairly equal in terms of results. Both of them have overall had a mediocre season.
Lewis' results are overall slightly better and it was the DNF in Malaysia that ultimately cost him the title.
5 points is the difference, and without Lewis' extra DNF compared to Nico, Lewis would have had a larger winning margin.
Nico deserves the championship, he put in the performances to get him where he is but he ultimately lucked into it.”

We don't know though because the last 3 races Nico has just done what he had to and not competed as much, so its pure speculation with all these "ifs, whys and buts". There is one fact though and that is Nico Rosberg is world champ and no amount of hypotheticals can change that.
sarahj1986
27-11-2016
Originally Posted by Chief_Wiggum:
“It has happened before. Ironically, it was in 2008, when Hamilton won his first ever world championship on points despite winning fewer races than Felipe Massa. Now, Hamilton will get a taste of how Felipe felt on that day.”

Originally Posted by Arcana:
“Massa won 6 races in 2008...but Hamilton won the title despite winning 1 fewer race.

Kinda poetic. 😈”

Thank you 👍🏼
BinaryDad
27-11-2016
Originally Posted by Arcana:
“Massa won 6 races in 2008...but Hamilton won the title despite winning 1 fewer race.

Kinda poetic. 😈”


That's not the case at all.

Lewis won 6 races in 2008 only to have the Spa win taken away based on a rule clarification that was brought in after the fact.

And let's not forget Japan, were Lewis was given a penalty for out braking himself on the opening lap into T1 and not hitting anybody - and where Massa was not penalised for hitting a car coming out of the pits.
sarahj1986
27-11-2016
Well I have enjoyed the season. My dad is a huge fan so I have seen bits and bobs from an early age but this is my first season watching it pretty much fully. That is down to my husband though. He loves it so I got more into it because he was always watching it, I then found myself watching it even when he wasn't at home and indeed really getting into it. My personal highlight has to be Hamilton and Rosberg crash in Spain and Verstappens great race in Brazil.

I shall be back next year watching it
margarite6666
27-11-2016
Originally Posted by Forza Ferrari:
“You would really have to question his Japanese GP weekend. He was expected tp win there but it was bizarre behaviour from him all weekend.

Lewis has been faster than Nicco over the year but still key moments when he leta Nicco beat him due to other non racing factors.

It's a big weakness for him. The there is how self interested he is going against the teams best interest on many occasions in his career.

He will always be a naturally fast driver but i doubt he will ever be complete.”

I have always found him to act like a petulant little boy. There was that time he was in trouble for following what someone told him to do. He was an adult and could say no if he knew right from wrong. It's like Nelson Piquet son deliberately crashing because someone told him too. Then there were the wheelies on a public road in Australia. Then there were the petulant remarks because his engines were failing. In the commentary tonight they said Nicosia engines has failed the same amount of times. I don't agree with the idea this was racing. This was trying to win by causing your team mate to lose out. There is a saying, what comes around goes around. If the situation is reversed in future years Nico or another driver might do the same thing to him and wait for the lamentation you would here from Lewis :" boo hoo they deliberately stopped me winning, it's so unfair why do they pick on me"! People in sport can be great role models. I love seeing sportsmanship in action. Lewis has never been a sportsman and he shouldn't expect any sympathy if colleagues don't show it to him.
Matt35
27-11-2016
Originally Posted by margarite6666:
“I have always found him to act like a petulant little boy. There was that time he was in trouble for following what someone told him to do. He was an adult and could say no if he knew right from wrong. It's like Nelson Piquet son deliberately crashing because someone told him too. Then there were the wheelies on a public road in Australia. Then there were the petulant remarks because his engines were failing. In the commentary tonight they said Nicosia engines has failed the same amount of times. I don't agree with the idea this was racing. This was trying to win by causing your team mate to lose out. There is a saying, what comes around goes around. If the situation is reversed in future years Nico or another driver might do the same thing to him and wait for the lamentation you would here from Lewis :" boo hoo they deliberately stopped me winning, it's so unfair why do they pick on me"! People in sport can be great role models. I love seeing sportsmanship in action. Lewis has never been a sportsman and he shouldn't expect any sympathy if colleagues don't show it to him.”

What Lewis did had nothing to do with petulance and being childish. It was his strategy which is why even former drivers have said they'd have done exactly what Lewis did. What did you expect Lewis do, just drive off into the distance? All that would have done is win him the race and he wanted the title and backing nico up into the other drivers was the only way that would happen. Any other driver in that position would have done the same.
RickLopez
27-11-2016
Weird season for me this: I've been watching F1 since 2012, which by all accounts was an amazing season. So the bar was set pretty high.

Anyway, I watched the first half of the season but after the mid-season break I just didn't have the heart to return, which was surprising because I was mad on F1 for 4 years. I just got bored of Mercedes winning.

I watched the race today just to round off my last season watching F1, and also to see the last race of my favourite driver, Felipe Massa. I was so happy when he got that podium in Japan 2012 and his time as Williams has been great. Him retiring is also a reason I've drifted from the sport.

So I probably won't be watching next year, but on the off chance I do, I'll see you all next year!
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