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#9701 |
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I guess that you missed the fact that the pit crews were switched??? In case you don't understand my bad English the crew Louis used to have was switched with Rosberg's crew, you have to ask yourself why.
You are way of with your comments. However as you say you are entitled to them - however crazy they maybe. |
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I am really starting to detest Mercedes as an organisation. The way the managed the last race of the season was a disaster, the way they've handled Rosberg's retirement has been disgraceful (Lauda is becoming more and more a parody and is going to do the company some serious PR damage soon) and now they're publically flirting with Alonso despite him being under contract with Mclaren. I've no issue with Wolff discussing Alonso's contractual situation with the driver and Mclaren but you do not make it public. Utterly classless. I hope he turns them down (why would he want to drive with Hamilton again?) and they find it impossible to fill the seat with anyone experienced.
The only thing I have heard, was Wolffe saying he was going to look at all options. Lets be honest, you can bet Wolffe will be talking to most drivers. So no big surprise Alonso is one of them. I bet he will make enquires about half of he grid, just so he has covered all options. To be honest if he didnt you would have to question him as its what his role entails. I think you are making too much of this. As for why he would want to drive with Hamilton - maybe he thinks he can beat him. Also it may have more to do with challenging again for a title. Cant be much fun driving the Mclaren again around mid-field all season. Mercs are a much better option. |
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#9703 |
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I dont see how managing the race was a disaster. Teams have been issuing orders to drivers for ages.
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My pit crew comment had nothing to do with the news article.
Comment about the pit crew was made by the pit wall on the day of the race, it was made just as a comment, nothing specific & I just remembered it. You are completely entitled to think what you want but I do not have to agree and that works both ways. I beg to differ. I don't even know what I could be disagreeing with you about that works both ways. I have lost the trail of the interchange we were having. |
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Certain people (not all of the pit crew) on Rosbergs side of the garage were switched with those on Hamiltons. However that switch happened at the start of the season. Sky asked Wolfe about this switch, he gave what I thought was a reasonable answer. Cant remember what the answer was now. I am sure of you google, you will find the answer.
You are way of with your comments. However as you say you are entitled to them - however crazy they maybe. Seems very logical when you think about it but the change did seem to affect Hamilton more to start with as he was very comfortable with everyone around him and seemed to decide the change was done to favour Rosberg, something was still seeming to claim at the press conference before the Abu Dhabi GP when he said we'll find out what actually happened in his book in ten years time! |
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I am really starting to detest Mercedes as an organisation. The way the managed the last race of the season was a disaster, the way they've handled Rosberg's retirement has been disgraceful (Lauda is becoming more and more a parody and is going to do the company some serious PR damage soon) and now they're publically flirting with Alonso despite him being under contract with Mclaren. I've no issue with Wolff discussing Alonso's contractual situation with the driver and Mclaren but you do not make it public. Utterly classless. I hope he turns them down (why would he want to drive with Hamilton again?) and they find it impossible to fill the seat with anyone experienced.
It was obvious what Hamilton would do if leading the race, it was his only option. To give an order to speed up was just daft because not only was it the opposite of what Hamilton needed to do, but realistically it would have gained Merc nothing that anyone would remember positively in years to come. Had they just told Nico that it was a race between them and he had to deal with situation & tactics, I think most people watching would have been more than happy to an interesting last 10 laps of the race. After the race their PR was all over the place, Lowe/Lauda/Wolff all seemed to be coming up with alternative reason for why Hamilton did what he did and why they made the call. Lauda was saying they needed to check data to see if Ham's car had issues, Lowe just wanted to get Nico past to secure a one-two & Wolff was torn as a boss & an ex driver as to what they should/shouldn't have done. Then they started to make comments about sanctions against Hamilton until Rosberg retires and suddenly they are happy with what was done and it's all swept under the rug. If they ever end up in a situation like this year again I think we'll either know up-front who the no1 driver is going in to the "decider", or they'll make a point of saying the drivers can race as hard as they want but don't crash (heavily) in doing so. |
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Fernando, when we left I was but the learner. Now I *am* the master.
![]() I guess you mean that when they left Ham was the learner and now (in your opinion) is the master. Well, in that case, he has nothing to be afraid of. In Mclaren Ham had all the team in his favour and that is why I said in equal terms. Nothing would rise more the audience than that duel. At least in my humble opinion. Alonso with a tractor aka Ferrari managed to fight until the last race for the championship twice. The first time his team ruined his chances, and the second one, Vettel was very lucky..... Maybe with Mercedes he would have his third chance. |
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Because prior to the race they said they were going to let both drivers "race"... they weren't going to interfere.
First must have the biggest stable of three times world champions in the UK. |
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Alonso v Hamilton in equal machinery with equal status from the start is exactly what Formula 1 needs. The last 3/4 years have been poor and predictable.
Come on Mercedes, for the good of the sport you must sign Alonso on a 3 year deal. Im a big fan of Alonso but I think 3 seasons in the fastest car Lewis would take 2 WDC's and Fernando 1. In my opinion Lewis is slightly faster but Fernando is smarter (modern day Senna v Prost). It would be brilliant to see them fighting for a title again. |
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If Lewis was racing then so are the buses.
. They didn't add the caveat that Lewis had to disappear off into the sunset.... |
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Telling lewis to drive properly is hardly interfering.
Mercedes always said they would interfere when the win was at stake. |
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Telling lewis to drive properly is hardly interfering.
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Well he had already lost the world championship earlier in the year. Now he was hoping another driver was going to win it for him.
The only reason he wasn't listening is that he lacks the humility to lose with dignity. |
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Well he had already lost the world championship earlier in the year. Now he was hoping another driver was going to win it for him.
The only reason he wasn't listening is that he lacks the humility to lose with dignity. |
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Well Nigel Mansel disagrees.
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If trying to win a world championship is wrong i don't want to be right.
That's all that needs to be said. |
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Well Nigel Mansel disagrees.
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1983? If you're referring to his Adelaide blow out, pretty sure that was 1986. But yes, the point stands - he 'raced' to the end rather than driving a tactical race and it cost him the championship. Nige was arguably as quick as his contempories but he lost races & DCs to Prost, Piquet & Senna due to his lack of racing intelligence. He was worth more than a single title.
The point is Mansell pretty much stands alone in his opinion about Hamilton's driving. |
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1983? If you're referring to his Adelaide blow out, pretty sure that was 1986. But yes, the point stands - he 'raced' to the end rather than driving a tactical race and it cost him the championship. Nige was arguably as quick as his contempories but he lost races & DCs to Prost, Piquet & Senna due to his lack of racing intelligence. He was worth more than a single title.
The point is Mansell pretty much stands alone in his opinion about Hamilton's driving. I think Skinj is reffering to when "Our Nige" was driving for Lotus and did indeed try to push it over the line. Dallas 1984 I believe. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pS0gKOLG5W4 |
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I think Skinj is reffering to when "Our Nige" was driving for Lotus and did indeed try to push it over the line. Dallas 1984 I believe.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pS0gKOLG5W4 That said, even if he managed to complete his task and won additional points because of it, I think that would have been worse than the tactics be Hamilton. After all it's supposed to be about someone driving a car round a circuit, not pushing one. If the car had failed but managed to freewheel over the line that would be fine as it was still done under it's own power. |
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So Bottas is first choice to take over Nico's seat at Mercedes. Can't say it surprises me after Briatore ruled Alonso out this week. At least Mercedes has some leverage on Williams being their engine supplier but it looks like they will have to help with finding an experienced replacement driver, else no deal.
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Reading that Williams have said no to Bottas leaving, but I suspect that's just the start of the conversation. Coincidentally Sky are reporting that Lowe is leaving Mercedes for Williams with James Alison replacing him.
Ordinarily I don't think Williams would fight too hard to keep Bottas but with the driver market as sparse as it is and with a relatively inexperienced driver in one car already they need a 'veteran'. |
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Williams will have to give mercedes bottas if mercedes want him.
They control the engine supply to williams and so can use this to bully them. |
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Merc can't withold engines or change the price as Williams have a contract. The advantage of having a Merc engine is becoming less and less and I'm sure Merc won't want to start losing customers to Renault (or Ferrari). They won't use engine supply as leverage. Unless Bottas does a 'Button' I think Merc will have to live with a junior driver for next season.
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Well he had already lost the world championship earlier in the year. Now he was hoping another driver was going to win it for him.
The only reason he wasn't listening is that he lacks the humility to lose with dignity. He would have come out smelling of roses & I fancy in hindsight he wished he had. |
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