This tyre stuff is getting absurd.
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Originally Posted by Roland Mouse:
“I preferred it when the tyres lasted a good reasonable time and when they use to refuel as well. Let's get back to the good old days of leaving the pits with the fuel hose still connected!”
“I preferred it when the tyres lasted a good reasonable time and when they use to refuel as well. Let's get back to the good old days of leaving the pits with the fuel hose still connected!”
And, of course, the occasional pit lane fireball.
Originally Posted by Si_Crewe:
“Well, at least Monaco tends to be chaotic, which is a decent substitute for excitement when there's none to be found.
Speaking of which, gonna be fun in Monaco if Merc' qualify on pole.
”
“Well, at least Monaco tends to be chaotic, which is a decent substitute for excitement when there's none to be found.
Speaking of which, gonna be fun in Monaco if Merc' qualify on pole.
”
By lap 2, Vettel would be demanding they move out of the way...
Originally Posted by Si_Crewe:
“Well, at least Monaco tends to be chaotic, which is a decent substitute for excitement when there's none to be found.
Speaking of which, gonna be fun in Monaco if Merc' qualify on pole.”
“Well, at least Monaco tends to be chaotic, which is a decent substitute for excitement when there's none to be found.
Speaking of which, gonna be fun in Monaco if Merc' qualify on pole.
”
Huge Rosberg or Hamilton train.
Originally Posted by uberman:
“Lewis Hamilton lol, oh dear...”
“Lewis Hamilton lol, oh dear...”
He crossed the line only about 5 seconds after the leader.
Sadly with a whole lap still to go!
Thought Lewis had developed a bit of a lighter mood having moved to Mercedes.
Seems he is still the moody, curt, petulant moaner he ever was.
Seems he is still the moody, curt, petulant moaner he ever was.
Is it that usual for the tyres to be in that state? Alonso's looked wrecked when they we're parked after the race
We thought today's race was a bit pedestrian and rather predictable from a long way out.
Watch out we have :yawn: Monaco :yawn: next week.
Endless boats, shots through the tunnel, the swimming pool, the hairpin, La rascass, and dull old Prince Albert with his poor long suffering wife!! <<<< She has not produced that all important heir yet.
Watch out we have :yawn: Monaco :yawn: next week.
Endless boats, shots through the tunnel, the swimming pool, the hairpin, La rascass, and dull old Prince Albert with his poor long suffering wife!! <<<< She has not produced that all important heir yet.
Originally Posted by JSemple3:
“Is it that usual for the tyres to be in that state? Alonso's looked wrecked when they we're parked after the race”
“Is it that usual for the tyres to be in that state? Alonso's looked wrecked when they we're parked after the race”
They look worse as they pick up a lot of the 'marbles' of rubber which are off the racing line during their slow down lap.
However the on-going tyre lottery does seem to be taking over the F1 world these days.
Originally Posted by zieler:
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By lap 2, Vettel would be demanding they move out of the way...”
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By lap 2, Vettel would be demanding they move out of the way...”
He started that before the race even started.
Actually a good race. Lots of crying about it but I think this is all down to the drivers from acertain country being rubbish.
Originally Posted by guypd:
“Go Alonso.
What's with all these wretched ads in posts suddenly?”
“Go Alonso.
What's with all these wretched ads in posts suddenly?”
As others have said and is what I do. Just use an ad blocker
Great start from Alonso but not a very exciting race. I know they all have the same tyres but the fact they now appear to be the most important factor and drivers have to drive slowly to try and preserve them is not a good thing for the sport.
I am enjoying this season on the whole... we don't have one team amazingly dominant... Lotus are exceeding expectations, Ferrari are doing very well (I normally don't like them but my mate has just started working on their team so I have to now), and Hamilton and McLaren are proving that he was right to move... Wonder what Button is thinking now when he looks across the paddock.
), and Hamilton and McLaren are proving that he was right to move... Wonder what Button is thinking now when he looks across the paddock.
Spain has always been a borring race but I thought in parts it was a good one yesterday. I'd much rather have this situation where you do not know the final positions based on the grid than what we used to have. Dietrich Mateschitz can shut up too. Terrible loser.
The paddock is coming round so it seems. Hembry? at Pirelli said 4 stops is too many and is voiced by most teams. Accepting tyres are too much a factor, they will endeavour to go back to longer compounds.
I've argued that F1 has become a conservation exercise, rather than pure engineering and the ultimate test in performance of man and machine. The first part off the line and to the first use of DRS sets the pattern and then apart from bloody minded or desperation on the part of drivers, the procession, subject to pit stop strategy, begins.
I've argued that F1 has become a conservation exercise, rather than pure engineering and the ultimate test in performance of man and machine. The first part off the line and to the first use of DRS sets the pattern and then apart from bloody minded or desperation on the part of drivers, the procession, subject to pit stop strategy, begins.
Yep, the general consensus is forming it seems. There has to be a balance, and it's clear they've taken it way too far.
The fact Pirelli are now admitting this is a positive thing. Perhaps teams might be able to start unlocking their cars full potential from Silverstone onwards. Should be interesting.
The fact Pirelli are now admitting this is a positive thing. Perhaps teams might be able to start unlocking their cars full potential from Silverstone onwards. Should be interesting.
Originally Posted by Serial Lurker:
“This tyre stuff is getting absurd.”
“This tyre stuff is getting absurd.”
Originally Posted by roger_50:
“Another dull management exercise in "Formula TyreSave 2013".”
“Another dull management exercise in "Formula TyreSave 2013".”
Be interesting to know how many times the word 'tyre' was mentioned over the weekend, or perhaps not.
Originally Posted by Woodentop:
“The paddock is coming round so it seems. Hembry? at Pirelli said 4 stops is too many and is voiced by most teams. Accepting tyres are too much a factor, they will endeavour to go back to longer compounds.
I've argued that F1 has become a conservation exercise, rather than pure engineering and the ultimate test in performance of man and machine. The first part off the line and to the first use of DRS sets the pattern and then apart from bloody minded or desperation on the part of drivers, the procession, subject to pit stop strategy, begins.”
“The paddock is coming round so it seems. Hembry? at Pirelli said 4 stops is too many and is voiced by most teams. Accepting tyres are too much a factor, they will endeavour to go back to longer compounds.
I've argued that F1 has become a conservation exercise, rather than pure engineering and the ultimate test in performance of man and machine. The first part off the line and to the first use of DRS sets the pattern and then apart from bloody minded or desperation on the part of drivers, the procession, subject to pit stop strategy, begins.”
I don't think the lifespan of the tyres, per-se, is the problem.
The problem is that if you make a tyre fragile enough that it only lasts 15 laps it's also fragile enough that one big brake lock-up or a couple of laps of challenging also ruins it.
Ideally, what they need is some kind of compound that is as resilient as the old Bridgestones for 15 laps but then just falls apart within another couple of laps.
And I doubt that's actually possible.
Trouble is, as well, that with all the clever software that they use these days, the teams all know what the best strategy is likely to be.
I worry that even if they make the tyres a bit more durable, all that's going to happen is that the current situation will continue but there'll be fewer pitstops.
I suspect that the only way you'll really convince drivers to fight on-track is to give they a tyre, like the old Bridgestones, which is guaranteed to last the entire race even if abused.
I've played with a rather old F1 race simulator and (assuming I'm doing it right) the stuff to do with tyre grip is a lot more complex than many people realise.
The trouble is (according to the simulator, at least) that you need to make pretty drastic differences to the level of grip before lap times are noticeably affected and that means making tyres that have huge differences between them.
I wonder if the way forward might be to create tyres that are, basically, extremely durable (like the old Bridgestones) but make them with 3 or 4 different layers of "tread" so that the top layer is super-grippy but wears out within half a dozen laps then the next layer is less grippy but lasts another 10 laps and another layer that's even less grippy but lasts 20-odd laps?
At least, that way, the driver would know he's always going to have some level of grip but the decision will be whether it's worth pitting for a new set of tyres that will give him an extra advantage for a short time.
While I'm at it, a quick question about rules...
If Q1 and Q2 are dry but then it's raining for Q3, do the top ten qualifiers get a free choice of tyres for the race (assuming the race is dry) or do they have to start on whatever tyre they set their fastest lap on in Q2?
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