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Hamilton may want to come to Ferrari but I don't see it happening. He says himself that his best years are behind him already. If the team decide he is the best available then there would have to be some major errors in driver strategy to arrive at that situation. It would be regrettable for such a frivolous unfocused driver to arrive at Ferrari. I suspect by the time Hamilton has got as many million possible from Mercheatdes then he might be bored with F1 altogether and be concentrating on his singing carrier.
Interesting Webber has announced he is stepping away from F1 at the end of the season... opens a good ride for somebody although now more than ever it looks like a clear no.2 seat which could prevent a top level driver. Maybe an opening for PDR? |
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/formula1/23074108
Sad day for the sport, Webber seems to be one of the genuine nice guys in the paddock - he's one of my favourites of the current drivers anyway. But his reasoning is understandable - interesting though that at least one of the other top teams approached him this year. Presumably not Ferrari given it appears he turned them down last year (so is Massa still in F1 by default then?), so maybe Lotus? Would have been interesting to see him and Raikkonen as teammates... And I agree, his seat now looks like a clear no. 2 seat so I don't understand why Raikkonen is the favourite to take it (apart from the Red Bull being likely the best car), can't see him and Vettel working as teammates at all. I wouldn't be surprised if Di Resta is chosen, but he's not making the best reputation for himself this year due to all his complaining, so it could well be one of the Toro Rosso drivers who gets a chance. They'd probably be more compliant with Vettel's wishes too, which would be highly irritating... |
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Sad to see Webber leave F1, he was a genuinely nice guy. Looks like he has had enough of F1, and fancies a new challenge. Good luck to him.
I am not sure it is a clear No.2 seat available. Webber hasnt been a No. 2, so why would RB suddenly have a No.2 seat now? I think if Kimi goes there (I hope he does), it will be obvious its not a No. 2 seat. Kimi wont want to be a No. 2. If they dont get Kimi, I think the most likely chance would be to promote someone from their sister team, Verne probably the most likely of the two. If Kimi does go there, it will be the most exciting pairing on the grid. |
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Webber hasnt been a No. 2, so why would RB suddenly have a No.2 seat now?.
And his departure leaves Vettel as the established driver in the team, with a very strong track record, so it's very easy to see why many are saying that it's a clear number 2 seat - Vettel is in the position to be entirely dominant in that team, and given his closeness with Marko and Horner may even have a say in who gets the drive... |
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I think that could be disputed, to be honest, plenty of people think Webber is number 2 in reality, if not in terms of what Red Bull say.
And his departure leaves Vettel as the established driver in the team, with a very strong track record, so it's very easy to see why many are saying that it's a clear number 2 seat - Vettel is in the position to be entirely dominant in that team, and given his closeness with Marko and Horner may even have a say in who gets the drive... Its true Horner and Marko like Vettel, probably because hes the one winning for the team. If the roles were reversed and Webber had Vettels success, would they prefer Webber, probably, whos knows. |
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It certainly isnt a remote a possibility as you make you.
OK, hypothetically speaking, how would you feel if Hamilton signs for Ferrari? |
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I would be disappointed as I don't think he is good enough. I would want him to win races stop acting like an idiot, walking around with a dog, lying, cheating and being an embarrassment generally.
I am no fan of Hamilton, but it seems from your criteria, he is much better suited to Ferrari than Alonso and Massa are. Not bringing your dog to the pit garage is easily remedied, so not really a problem. |
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Better than Massa is not good enough. Massa is the number two and he crashes. To go to Ferrari Hamilton would need to be the Alonso driver and he is not that.
Actually leaving the dog at home is not as easy as it sounds as without these things Hamilton becomes emotionaly effected misses his girlfriend and starts driving slowly. F1 drivers need to be focused and not spend their time looking for the next celebrity gimic. Becoming a serious focused consistent driver is a large adjustment for Hamilton. The dog is just one symptom of the essential characteristics which Hamilton lacks. |
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Better than Massa is not good enough. Massa is the number two and he crashes. To go to Ferrari Hamilton would need to be the Alonso driver and he is not that.
Actually leaving the dog at home is not as easy as it sounds as without these things Hamilton becomes emotionaly effected misses his girlfriend and starts driving slowly. F1 drivers need to be focused and not spend their time looking for the next celebrity gimic. Becoming a serious focused consistent driver is a large adjustment for Hamilton. The dog is just one symptom of the essential characteristics which Hamilton lacks. |
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You don't understand that most teams have a number two driver who is of a lower standard and that due to the amount of wages Hamilton demands he is only a valid consideration for the number one driver slot? This means he has to be Alonso, vettel good not massa and not mark webber.
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A sad day for F1 losing such a revered and well-like driver like Webber.
He possesses the rare qualities of being brutally honest and endearing. People clearly hold him in very high regard. Good luck the the man in his future conquests. Top bloke. |
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You don't understand that most teams have a number two driver who is of a lower standard and that due to the amount of wages Hamilton demands he is only a valid consideration for the number one driver slot? This means he has to be Alonso, vettel good not massa and not mark webber.
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What happened last time Hamilton and Alonso where in the same car with equal support?
![]() I see Silverstone is a wash out. Not to much of a problem for the fans I hear the place will be empty all weekend. Can you imagine if the young driver weekend is like this Mercheatdes will be laughing at the FIA and all the other teams (and by extension their fans) even more than they are at the moment. Hahaha current F1 drivers says he didn't need many tickets for frinds and family as they are away at WTCC. |
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You don't understand that most teams have a number two driver who is of a lower standard and that due to the amount of wages Hamilton demands he is only a valid consideration for the number one driver slot? This means he has to be Alonso, vettel good not massa and not mark webber.
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What happened last time Hamilton and Alonso where in the same car with equal support?
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That it only really true if funds are limited. With Ferraris budget (and the top four teams) money isnt really an issue. So having two top drivers isnt a problem. Who knows we make get a Vettel/Kimi driver lineup at RB next season. Two top drivers in the same team.
Alonso was never given equal status at Mclaren. It was clear early on that the team revolved around Hamilton. Boring practice rain rain rain and no cars. Terrible country for a GP. |
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Funds are limited. Ferrari isn't as rich as it used to be. The more you spend on the drivers the less you have to spend on the car. Having two top drivers can cause problems. Why take 10m out your car budget to have driver disharmony.
Boring practice rain rain rain and no cars. Terrible country for a GP. Either way it was apparent from very early on, that you would not want Hamilton at ferrari. I just wanted to see what excuse you would come up with. Its been somewhat entertaining watching you come up with silly excuse after silly excuse. Luckily it was a quiet day at work yesterday, so I could watch you squirm. Today, I dont think I will be able to continue... I would love to see your face if Hamilton did ever join Ferrari.
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Alonso was never given equal status at Mclaren. It was clear early on that the team revolved around Hamilton.
Seems a bit silly to suggest that a reigning WDC would be considered #2 at a team compared to a rookie, regardless of how highly thought of the rookie was. Seems like McLaren did their usual "equal status" thing and the 2-time WDC had a meltdown when face with a serious rival. He's certainly grown a lot since then but, back then, he just couldn't deal with the situation. |
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Not sure about that.
Seems a bit silly to suggest that a reigning WDC would be considered #2 at a team compared to a rookie, regardless of how highly thought of the rookie was. Seems like McLaren did their usual "equal status" thing and the 2-time WDC had a meltdown when face with a serious rival. He's certainly grown a lot since then but, back then, he just couldn't deal with the situation.
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Hamilton is 3 years younger than Alonso, Alonso may well have retired by the Hamilton decides to go there.
Either way it was apparent from very early on, that you would not want Hamilton at ferrari. I just wanted to see what excuse you would come up with. Its been somewhat entertaining watching you come up with silly excuse after silly excuse. Luckily it was a quiet day at work yesterday, so I could watch you squirm. Today, I dont think I will be able to continue... I would love to see your face if Hamilton did ever join Ferrari. ![]() Also I think you imagination is quite limited. It would be much more interesting to see what many of the Hamilton fans would make of him being at Ferrari. Particular if he was still on only one world champioship and so they have to start becoming tiffosi. |
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GP2 drivers at least getting on with it a bit more than the lazy F1 drivers.
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Interesting 30mins from GP2 there. F1 really is starting to look weak in all areas when compared with other formulas.
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/formula1/23074108
Sad day for the sport, Webber seems to be one of the genuine nice guys in the paddock - he's one of my favourites of the current drivers anyway. But his reasoning is understandable - interesting though that at least one of the other top teams approached him this year. Presumably not Ferrari given it appears he turned them down last year (so is Massa still in F1 by default then?), so maybe Lotus? Would have been interesting to see him and Raikkonen as teammates... And I agree, his seat now looks like a clear no. 2 seat so I don't understand why Raikkonen is the favourite to take it (apart from the Red Bull being likely the best car), can't see him and Vettel working as teammates at all. I wouldn't be surprised if Di Resta is chosen, but he's not making the best reputation for himself this year due to all his complaining, so it could well be one of the Toro Rosso drivers who gets a chance. They'd probably be more compliant with Vettel's wishes too, which would be highly irritating... Perhaps Button will take the seat? I know he is still contracted to McLaren, but he is wealthy enough to pay any contract penalties. |
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I would be disappointed as I don't think he is good enough. I would want him to win races stop acting like an idiot, walking around with a dog, lying, cheating and being an embarrassment generally.
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Better than Massa is not good enough. Massa is the number two and he crashes. To go to Ferrari Hamilton would need to be the Alonso driver and he is not that.
Actually leaving the dog at home is not as easy as it sounds as without these things Hamilton becomes emotionaly effected misses his girlfriend and starts driving slowly. F1 drivers need to be focused and not spend their time looking for the next celebrity gimic. Becoming a serious focused consistent driver is a large adjustment for Hamilton. The dog is just one symptom of the essential characteristics which Hamilton lacks. |
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Not sure about that.
Seems a bit silly to suggest that a reigning WDC would be considered #2 at a team compared to a rookie, regardless of how highly thought of the rookie was. Seems like McLaren did their usual "equal status" thing and the 2-time WDC had a meltdown when face with a serious rival. He's certainly grown a lot since then but, back then, he just couldn't deal with the situation. Quote:
That's just imature from you. Thanks for confirming you were acting daft and just being on the wind up. I did for a moment think it may have been a genuine conversation but clearly your not interested in or capable of that.
Also I think you imagination is quite limited. It would be much more interesting to see what many of the Hamilton fans would make of him being at Ferrari. Particular if he was still on only one world champioship and so they have to start becoming tiffosi. I don think most Ferrari fans would mind Hamilton going to Ferrari. At least a lot more of them would then stick up for Ferrari, rather than stick the boot in every opportunity they got.
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