Nice to see it civilised in the waiting room. 
Official Formula 1 Thread (Part 8)
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Enjoyed it! Shame about the tyre issue. Glad I have Michelin on my car 
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Even if it wasn't Pirelli's fault. I'm sure it will effect their consumer tyre sales.
.Even if it wasn't Pirelli's fault. I'm sure it will effect their consumer tyre sales.
Pirelli have a lot of questions to answer. 4 tyre problems + Vettel's tyre having cuts + Rosberg's as well. Not good.
Up and down race. Happy at Vettel's retirement.
Lewis should have won the race - had the pace on Vettel and Rosberg all weekend. But Rosberg drove well through the chaos and kept composed for his 2nd win.
And Webber's charge was supreme.
Up and down race. Happy at Vettel's retirement.
Lewis should have won the race - had the pace on Vettel and Rosberg all weekend. But Rosberg drove well through the chaos and kept composed for his 2nd win.
And Webber's charge was supreme.
Great to see Webber on the podium, annoying that Grosjean essentially destroyed his chance of a win - not that any of us thought that at the time though! But 2nd is a great result, hope Red Bull give him the celebration he deserves!
Originally Posted by allthingsuk:
“Pirelli have a lot of questions to answer. 4 tyre problems + Vettel's tyre having cuts + Rosberg's as well. Not good.”
“Pirelli have a lot of questions to answer. 4 tyre problems + Vettel's tyre having cuts + Rosberg's as well. Not good.”
Pirell should turn round and point out that the FIA want rubbish tyres to make the racing more interesting. They're more than capable of making much better tyres than they put on Formula One cars.
Originally Posted by Fudd:
“Pirell should turn round and point out that the FIA want rubbish tyres to make the racing more interesting. They're more than capable of making much better tyres than they put on Formula One cars.”
“Pirell should turn round and point out that the FIA want rubbish tyres to make the racing more interesting. They're more than capable of making much better tyres than they put on Formula One cars.”
Fair point. This is, after all, what the FIA wanted in the first place.
Originally Posted by Fudd:
“Are we talking about Hamilton, Vettel or both?
Vettel will just be relieved Rosberg and Webber finished top two and limited the damage on his lead.”
“Are we talking about Hamilton, Vettel or both?
Vettel will just be relieved Rosberg and Webber finished top two and limited the damage on his lead.”
Both ha ha
Originally Posted by allthingsuk:
“I think it's evens. Rosberg had his bad luck at the start of the season, and Hamilton is having his share. Felt very sorry for him - lucky with the 2 safety cars but could have nicked a podium - if only he'd got the tyre failure/puncture closer to the pits.”
“I think it's evens. Rosberg had his bad luck at the start of the season, and Hamilton is having his share. Felt very sorry for him - lucky with the 2 safety cars but could have nicked a podium - if only he'd got the tyre failure/puncture closer to the pits.”
Oh I agree entirely, I was just trying to point out that Lewis shouldn't be reading too much into the fact that Nico now has 2 wins to his none - this one was more due to what happened to Lewis and others than to Nico's drive, though credit to him for keeping Webber behind for the last few laps.
Nicco is the most winningest driver at Mercedes thats going to start meaning something. Their car is good enough to win races and they know which driver has done it for them.
Originally Posted by Mystical123:
“Oh I agree entirely, I was just trying to point out that Lewis shouldn't be reading too much into the fact that Nico now has 2 wins to his none - this one was more due to what happened to Lewis and others than to Nico's drive, though credit to him for keeping Webber behind for the last few laps.”
“Oh I agree entirely, I was just trying to point out that Lewis shouldn't be reading too much into the fact that Nico now has 2 wins to his none - this one was more due to what happened to Lewis and others than to Nico's drive, though credit to him for keeping Webber behind for the last few laps.”
Hmmn Mercedes perform better after illegal long-distance test, surely some mistake
Originally Posted by Mystical123:
“Oh I agree entirely, I was just trying to point out that Lewis shouldn't be reading too much into the fact that Nico now has 2 wins to his none - this one was more due to what happened to Lewis and others than to Nico's drive, though credit to him for keeping Webber behind for the last few laps.”
“Oh I agree entirely, I was just trying to point out that Lewis shouldn't be reading too much into the fact that Nico now has 2 wins to his none - this one was more due to what happened to Lewis and others than to Nico's drive, though credit to him for keeping Webber behind for the last few laps.”
Agreed. I'm just happy that Hamilton salvaged some strong points.
Originally Posted by allthingsuk:
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Lewis should have won the race - had the pace on Vettel and Rosberg all weekend. But Rosberg drove well through the chaos and kept composed for his 2nd win.”
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Lewis should have won the race - had the pace on Vettel and Rosberg all weekend. But Rosberg drove well through the chaos and kept composed for his 2nd win.”
The Redbull was faster over the long runs. I couldn't see Hamilton beating Vettel without problems for the Redbull.
Hamilton fortunate he had the second fastest car and two safety cars or he would have struggled to finish in the points.
Originally Posted by Forza Ferrari:
“Nicco is the most winningest driver at Mercedes thats going to start meaning something. Their car is good enough to win races and they know which driver has done it for them.”
“Nicco is the most winningest driver at Mercedes thats going to start meaning something. Their car is good enough to win races and they know which driver has done it for them.”
I never knew winningest was a word. And it's Nico, not Nicco.
And what would you be saying if Hamilton took the win today instead of Rosberg. The fact Rosberg won today, was, yes due to a very solid and composed drive, but due to other factors, but that's motor racing and Rosberg drove well.
Originally Posted by Pendragon579:
“Hmmn Mercedes perform better after illegal long-distance test, surely some mistake”
“Hmmn Mercedes perform better after illegal long-distance test, surely some mistake
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Funny that - since the test they've been much faster in Monaco, Canada and Britian.
It must just be a coincidence.
Originally Posted by habby:
“These drivers have more money than we'll ever see in our lives!!!
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“These drivers have more money than we'll ever see in our lives!!!
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Because they can all do something we can't!
What's strange about the tyres is it must be down to driving style.
Massa failed but Alonso was fine.
Perez failed (twice) but Button was fine.
Hamilton failed but Rosberg was fine.
Vergne failed but Riccardo was fine.
Most cars didn't have any issues whatsoever.
Massa failed but Alonso was fine.
Perez failed (twice) but Button was fine.
Hamilton failed but Rosberg was fine.
Vergne failed but Riccardo was fine.
Most cars didn't have any issues whatsoever.
Originally Posted by Si_Crewe:
“Good on Hamilton for his comments.
Alas, I fear it won't win him any friends.”
“Good on Hamilton for his comments.
Alas, I fear it won't win him any friends.”
What did he say?
Originally Posted by Si_Crewe:
“Good on Hamilton for his comments.
Alas, I fear it won't win him any friends.”
“Good on Hamilton for his comments.
Alas, I fear it won't win him any friends.”
Originally Posted by SpaceToilets:
“Hamilton telling it how it is. Fair play to him.”
“Hamilton telling it how it is. Fair play to him.”
Hmm, for me he should be asking himself why he had issues but Rosberg was fine when they're in the same car.
Originally Posted by Fudd:
“Hmm, for me he should be asking himself why he had issues but Rosberg was fine when they're in the same car.”
“Hmm, for me he should be asking himself why he had issues but Rosberg was fine when they're in the same car.”
Rosberg's tyres were cut and partially delaminated when he made his final pitstop.
Interesting to listen to Vettel desperately trying to avoid suggesting there's any safety implication in having marginal tyres.
Cos, if he said there was a safety concern, the next question would surely be "Well, in that case, why complain when Pirelli tries to solve the issue?".
Hamilton could have won it. It's difficult to say for sure because of how it went wrong early for him, through no fault of his own I might add. Rosberg might have been gifted it a tiny bit and he can win races but Hamilton can do it, baring any mechanical or tyre difficulties.
I'm sure the crowd were cheering at Vettel's retirement because he's a bit of a Schumacher for being too dominent in the last 3 and a half years.
Well done to all those who had tyre blowouts and managed to score a decent amount of points (Hamilton and Massa). I feel sorry for the Force India's. I wanted Sutil to grab a podium.
I'm sure the crowd were cheering at Vettel's retirement because he's a bit of a Schumacher for being too dominent in the last 3 and a half years.
Well done to all those who had tyre blowouts and managed to score a decent amount of points (Hamilton and Massa). I feel sorry for the Force India's. I wanted Sutil to grab a podium.
Originally Posted by Si_Crewe:
“Rosberg's tyres were cut and partially delaminated when he made his final pitstop.
Interesting to listen to Vettel desperately trying to avoid suggesting there's any safety implication in having marginal tyres.
Cos, if he said there was a safety concern, the next question would surely be "Well, in that case, why complain when Pirelli tries to solve the issue?".”
“Rosberg's tyres were cut and partially delaminated when he made his final pitstop.
Interesting to listen to Vettel desperately trying to avoid suggesting there's any safety implication in having marginal tyres.
Cos, if he said there was a safety concern, the next question would surely be "Well, in that case, why complain when Pirelli tries to solve the issue?".”
Well that answers obvious - because it's giving one team clear advantage (as shown by Mercedes suddenly showing a spurt of speed since the test). They may need to do a mid-season test with 2013 cars after today but, if so, all teams should be involved in it, not just one.
And most tyres appear to suffer from at least partial delamination if not more after a run. The point is that they cut and delaminate to force pits stops.
Maybe it's time for the FIA to request the strongest tyres as possible from Pirelli and change the regulations so the fuel boxes have to be refilled mid-race instead.
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