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Old 27-11-2012, 15:50
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The whole country will be voting more meaning James and Jahmene will get more votes and overtake him. Remember Eoghan Quigg was topping the votes most weeks but Alexandra and JLS took away his momentum in the final
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Old 27-11-2012, 15:52
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His only threat will be from Jahmene but Jahmene it notoriously hit and miss with his performances so if he warbles off too much or does a whole bad section to a song - it could be curtains for him. James is so great but does not have the mass appeal that the dull Chris has.
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Old 27-11-2012, 15:52
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I agree. Through the series maybe a million people vote each week (I'm only guessing). In the Final some seven or eight million vote - and that could make a huge difference

EDIT: I mean I agree with the OP - someone else posted before I submitted
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Old 27-11-2012, 15:54
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Yeah, I think he might win the final three but many people will vote for the other person by default come final two. The only way I think he'll win is if enough people start to take the show as a joke but most people still vote for the serious acts.
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Old 27-11-2012, 15:57
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Yeah, I think he might win the final three but many people will vote for the other person by default come final two. The only way I think he'll win is if enough people start to take the show as a joke but most people still vote for the serious acts.
The tragedy about the whole Chris voting thing is that people are voting because they actually like him. Yes, the only explanation might seem like it's an 'anti' vote etc but in truth most people are not particularly invested in the show. They think it's just "that nice lad who was the wild-card". That is the full extent of what passes through their heads. Most people are full of cotton wool.
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Old 27-11-2012, 15:57
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I suspect you are right. The final usually gets more votes than all the other weeks combined as casual voters chip in. It's why we tend to end up with very "safe" winners and Jahmene looks like the winner for that reason.
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Old 27-11-2012, 15:58
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you are basing this theory on what exactly? I think there's a groundswell not seen since rage against the machine to make chris the winner. I'm not sure its about the best performer anymore. In all honesty I can see Chris winning. I think the constant sniping about him is distracting to the extent that xfactor clearly want to fix the winner.

I also think that there are people voting for him because they genuinly like him. my disdain for the manipulation is obvious. i really hope he wins this year
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Old 27-11-2012, 16:00
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The tragedy about the whole Chris voting thing is that people are voting because they actually like him. Yes, the only explanation might seem like it's an 'anti' vote etc but in truth most people are not particularly invested in the show. They think it's just "that nice lad who was the wild-card". That is the full extent of what passes through their heads. Most people are full of cotton wool.
Yeah some people do like him, and to be fair he did start off as a "serious" act, but the show has miraculously turned him into a joke act.

I still don't think he'll win though. He's probably about 30-35% in the voting if the Daily Star is right about him and Jahmene making up 50% between them, which won't be enough come the final. I don't think he'll attract any new voters, they'll all go to Jahmene.
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Old 27-11-2012, 16:01
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you are basing this theory on what exactly? I think there's a groundswell not seen since rage against the machine to make chris the winner. I'm not sure its about the best performer anymore. In all honesty I can see Chris winning. I think the constant sniping about him is distracting to the extent that xfactor clearly want to fix the winner.

I also think that there are people voting for him because they genuinly like him. my disdain for the manipulation is obvious. i really hope he wins this year
You might be smart enough to see the manipulation but seriously - Jo Public cannot see it. That's why they watch shows like Celebrity in the Jungle[sic] and Britain's Got Talent - they truly do not have a clue.
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Old 27-11-2012, 16:05
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I would think Jahmene is nailed on.

He has everything, he can sing a bit (with coaching I think he could sing very, very well indeed) , he is a walking talking real life sob story, and not just a reality tv sob story, a genuine life destroying story that deserves sympathy, and hes quite inoffensive, likeable.

The others are too divisive, even James, Jahmene is the guy who will garner the big vote numbers in the final.
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Old 27-11-2012, 16:07
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You might be smart enough to see the manipulation but seriously - Jo Public cannot see it. That's why they watch shows like Celebrity in the Jungle[sic] and Britain's Got Talent - they truly do not have a clue.
I'll take that comment to the bank. that said I think this is the year when most people have woke up to the fact that its all a stage managed pantomine; hence the fall in viewers and the negative comments on here and other social media.

the reason it annoys me is because I actually like(d) the show and thought it made good saturday night TV on the dark, cold nights. I guess jedward was the beginning of the end (especially when they stayed and lucy jones went home) and I suspect joe public know want to give it back to cowell. personally I think the best course of action is to switch off but maybe thats just me? cheers
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Old 27-11-2012, 16:11
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You might be smart enough to see the manipulation but seriously - Jo Public cannot see it. That's why they watch shows like Celebrity in the Jungle[sic] and Britain's Got Talent - they truly do not have a clue.


Its not that people dont see the manipulation, its that the vast majority of people just simply don't care.

Its saturday evening entertainment, nothing more.Not even leona got the vast majority who voted for her to buy her records, its just a tv show to most people, they just simply do not care about what happens afterwards to the winners, or how the stories evolve during it, they only care about whether they are enjoying the stories each week or not.
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Old 27-11-2012, 16:12
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I'll take that comment to the bank. that said I think this is the year when most people have woke up to the fact that its all a stage managed pantomine; hence the fall in viewers and the negative comments on here and other social media.

the reason it annoys me is because I actually like(d) the show and thought it made good saturday night TV on the dark, cold nights. I guess jedward was the beginning of the end (especially when they stayed and lucy jones went home) and I suspect joe public know want to give it back to cowell. personally I think the best course of action is to switch off but maybe thats just me? cheers
When it was a question of the general public genuinely turning up for cold auditions - it was a better show because you could get almost anyone coming along. Now they hand-pick the top 6 that they want even before the auditions start. Okay the wannabes have to go through the 'process' but they are almost guaranteed their places at judges' houses in advance. This is what is transparent because they come with their backstories already ironed out. It should be truly open to all and pick the best 12 from those.
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Old 27-11-2012, 16:13
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Its not that people dont see the manipulation, its that the vast majority of people just simply don't care.

Its saturday evening entertainment, nothing more.Not even leona got the vast majority who voted for her to buy her records, its just a tv show to most people, they just simply do not care about what happens afterwards to the winners, or how the stories evolve during it, they only care about whether they are enjoying the stories each week or not.
I would agree with this if people do not vote - however - some people do vote for their favourites even if they know it's rigged!
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Old 27-11-2012, 16:15
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you are basing this theory on what exactly? I think there's a groundswell not seen since rage against the machine to make chris the winner. I'm not sure its about the best performer anymore. In all honesty I can see Chris winning. I think the constant sniping about him is distracting to the extent that xfactor clearly want to fix the winner.

I also think that there are people voting for him because they genuinly like him. my disdain for the manipulation is obvious. i really hope he wins this year
BIB: People said exactly the same thing about Wagner, and it transpired that he'd narrowly been missing the bottom 2 most weeks. Not saying that Chris ISN'T popular, but I doubt it's due to the anti vote. Those kinds of voters are not as legion as people on here assume.
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Old 27-11-2012, 16:15
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Matt Cardle has been topping the votes except for week 1 and he still won...so if Chris is really getting the most votes as the leaks suggest, there's a big chance he'll win.

Jahmene is a huge threat, though....i still think he'll win based on his performances on the night.
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Old 27-11-2012, 16:16
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I would agree with this if people do not vote - however - some people do vote for their favourites even if they know it's rigged!
The voting isnt rigged., thus not caring about behind the scenes manipulation has no bearing on whether people vote or not.

Remember the vast, vast majority only vote in the final anyway, they get around 8 times the votes for that as they do in any given week preceeding it.
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Old 27-11-2012, 16:17
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Matt Cardle has been topping the votes except for week 1 and he still won...so if Chris is really getting the most votes as the leaks suggest, there's a big chance he'll win.

Jahmene is a huge threat, though....i still think he'll win based on his performances on the night.
Jahmene might find the whole finals experience too overwhelming and fall at the last hurdle. The Chris is so arrogant that he spews any old cr*p from his mouth and people vote blindly so it would seem.
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Old 27-11-2012, 16:41
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None of this would have happened if everyone had voted for Times Red.
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Old 27-11-2012, 17:58
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The whole country couldn't give two monkeys who wins
Chris will win hands down
No one will come close
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Old 27-11-2012, 18:07
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None of this would have happened if everyone had voted for Times Red.
Or Amy Mottram
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Old 27-11-2012, 18:11
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I could see him maybe beating UJ or James. Not sure about Jahmene. If Jahmene sings well (but that's not a given) on the night, I think he might take it. They'd definitely make a very interesting final 2.
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Old 27-11-2012, 18:40
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you are basing this theory on what exactly? I think there's a groundswell not seen since rage against the machine to make chris the winner. I'm not sure its about the best performer anymore. In all honesty I can see Chris winning. I think the constant sniping about him is distracting to the extent that xfactor clearly want to fix the winner.

I also think that there are people voting for him because they genuinly like him. my disdain for the manipulation is obvious. i really hope he wins this year
But why? If he wins SyCo will quietly drop him in a few months and the real winners will be James, Ella and Jahmene who will get proper record deals. I can't see the point of the 'protest' vote unless it means they just don't let acts like Chris through in future, which I agree, would be a blessing.
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Old 27-11-2012, 18:49
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I agree. Through the series maybe a million people vote each week (I'm only guessing). In the Final some seven or eight million vote - and that could make a huge difference

EDIT: I mean I agree with the OP - someone else posted before I submitted
I thought they'd said in previous series that they get about ten million votes for the whole series.

Though more vote in the final than in other weeks it isn't that much more.

Possibly if UnionJ were to reach the final ahead of either James or Jahmene that would help Christopher.

I tend to think that if Christopher is in the final up against either or both of James and Jahmene that the public are unlikely to vote him as the winner.
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Old 27-11-2012, 19:02
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The whole country will be voting more meaning James and Jahmene will get more votes and overtake him. Remember Eoghan Quigg was topping the votes most weeks but Alexandra and JLS took away his momentum in the final
"The whole country will be voting" - Do you actually know how few people ring up and vote for an Xfactor contestant?
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