More importantly will ITV2 ?

Have you seen a monkey as big as David Haye?

Why should itv2 make one ? They could make rosemary make one to clarify what she meant.

Unfortunately these days there are terms that were once used that now are unacceptable.

I didn't say that at all!!!!!

I said there are terms that were once used etc..........I didn't specifically say likening black people to monkeys.

You should read what I posted and not jump to your own conclusions. That's how some people get there knickers in a twist by reading what they want to read and not actually reading the written word.

I've seen bigger and smaller.

I read what you posted. And seeing as the thread is about Rosemary referring to David as a monkey what term am I supposed to think you're speaking about if not that?

My knickers aren't a twist because I haven't placed myself at either of the polarized ends of the spectrum.

The people who have their knickers in a twist are the people who are evidently angry.

I think it's more a case that people have on the whole become more sensitive to these issues nowadays. Rosemary grew up in an era where mainstream tv sitcoms (Love they Neighbour, et al) got their laughs through using racist insults. It was more acceptable to more people to do that back then.

Having said that, I'm sure Rosemary meant that comment in a non-racial way, blissfully unaware of what people might infer from it.

I said these days there are terms......I was speaking 'terms in general' not simply picking on that particular one.

btw, I'm not angry lol........the day I get my own knickers in a twist over a TV programme is the day I think I'd throw out the TV. I'm merely joining in the discussion as it my want

I think they should probably let it go.

I think when we speak about how times have changed I think it's more relevant to how we are actually communicating right now.
The internet.
We start a discussion about something on an internet forum. People start getting a bit hot under the collar, then some tabloid sees people in a furore on the internet, it makes tomorrow morning's red top headlines.

You might get some who will be outraged and demand Ofcom do something, you might get people trying to convince everyone and themselves that what Rosemary said had nothing whatsoever to do with racism and should be swept under the carpet.
The polarized views are what create the fuss.

When people are rational and just having a discussion without getting angry about it then things are probably less likely to get blown out of proportion.

I think the majority of people on this thread accept that what Rosemary said was dodgy for good reason, whether she meant it or not.
But there's people who've come onto this thread making out that people are kicking up a fuss and are outraged by it, which is not the case at all, and by them doing that this is what stirs things up and creates the perception of outrage in the first place.
Most people are being reasonable, but others are misrepresenting the general view and are going on about 'PC gone mad' which distorts the very nature of the views in the thread.

To me, this is where your incessant argument falls flat.
She did not liken black people to monkeys, she likened David to a monkey (which she demonstrated was due to the physical posture he was displaying when she saw him).
Unless you can tell me for definate that had it been Eric she saw in that situation and would not have gave the same description then you are looking for some deeper issue that is not necessarily there and maybe some of the responses on here show that others define David as a black man first before they define him simply as a man.

Okay I apologize for not realizing that you weren't referring to what Rosemary said.

You can see the tension rising in the thread though can't you?
Maybe it's this time of the day when things kick off?

I won't be surprised if tomorrow's headline in the Daily Star or something reads 'Fans Outrage as Rosemary Goes Monkey Nuts'.

Yes of course it goes back to a time when people were openly racist. It wasn't right then and it isn't right now but it happened though didn't it? Mercifully the world has come some way in addressing these issues.
Although less common, white monkeys also exist, so as usual it's rooted in ignorance and hate, hate and ignorance -but not in Rosemary's case.

I have red hair like an Orangutan. Maybe the next time someone calls me a monkey I'll sue them for racism... Or should that be Gingerism?

No need to apologise, no harm done, but thank you anyway

Yes, there usually is tension when the topic is controversial.

Oh, I am sure the papers will latch onto something, that's how they create headlines and revenue......the bigger/outrageous the headline the more papers they sell.

Exactly. Anyone wanting to make an issue of this are simply in need of other things to occupy them. You could clearly see it was not meant in an offensive way in the slighest.

Move on, nothing to see here!

I adore orangutans......they are my favourite. They always look so incredibly sad.

Likewise you liken David to having the posture of a monkey.
I don't see that as all. He walks and moves with upright composure and doesn't lumber about, or swagger, or do that monkey movement with his arms.

"Rosemary's Hunky Monkey" is sure to turn up somewhere.

There is a lot to be seen here actually , its a very interesting debate .,No one is saying she was deliberatly racist .But the fact remains that she was thoughtless and maybe ill informed . Its good to know we can discuss an issue that is relevant

What's to be seen here is people like to make an issue of innocent remarks and twist them into something sinister.

It would be a shame if the papers did run with it because I'm sure that Rosemary and David would be horrified.
Even though I think it can make for a good discussion the problem is that on the internet it is public and can get out of control so quickly once the mainstream sink their teeth into it.

No actually the thread is not like that , its a debate if you read the whole thing .Quite informative and interesting .Rosemary could do with reading it maybe too .
Being of her era and when times were different I like to hear whats the feeling is now and how people could feel hurt . I like to inform myself and be sure I am not being insulting without meaning to be ,We all have to learn how to behave in the times we live in ,

Yes, words get twisted, intentions misread.

When I was younger there were words that some people used to use freely and nothing was made out of it, it seemed to be acceptable. I can't say those words on here as I will get a ban...............but when I think of them now I cringe, especially as I have used one or two myself without actually realising how derogatory they could be deemed to be (the wonders of innocence and youth).

As we get older and opinions change on what could be see disrespectful and cause others upset we change our own attitude. Although I feel derogatory remarks have and are said to all races regardless of the colour of their skin.

It's never going to be a perfect world I'm afraid.

To err is human,
To forgive is divine

I was horrified when I heard (but could not quite make out) what Rosemary said mainly due to the fact I can't understand how she could be so stupid but she did get really very over excited. Can't believe she mean't it in any racist way.

I do hope the press don't pick up on this and run away with it beyond all proportion.

Oh my giddy aunt now rosemary could do with reading this thread to see what she can and can't say. Why do you keep refering to rosemary as from that era is that not biased towards her age?