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Old 28-11-2012, 23:50
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I just had to rewind...did Rosemary say seeing David was like seeing a monkey? I couldn't quite understand what she said...
What a stupid woman.
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Old 28-11-2012, 23:50
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Ok then lets take this further. Lets just say this was a programme filmed in the North Pole. I came back to camp from a trial and someone commented that I looked like a polar bear. Would I be upset - hmmmmmmmmmmmm no. Insults can be found anywhere if your look for it.
So very true, I was a bit slow in rewinding and typing but post #62 is exactly what I heard. No malice at all, unless of course you're looking for it.
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Old 28-11-2012, 23:51
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It was clearly his physique not his colour that made her say that.
Yes because one of the first things you notice about monkeys is how muscular they are.
Monkey's are 'clearly' muscular aren't they?
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Old 28-11-2012, 23:52
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Well, in an effort to be careful, I'll be more exact

Rosemary said ( verbatim ) "Once, I saw him coming through the jungle , like this ...like this almost litle monkey" ... followed by a guffaw of laughter
I suppose it depends whether she would have said this if it was 'another' fit hunky camp mate.
Would she have used the term 'little monkey' if it was Mark Wright for example...we'll never know.
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Old 28-11-2012, 23:53
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So has nobody ever called someone "a little monkey" - either because they're mischievous, funny or just plain irresistible - all of which apply to the adorable Mr. Haye.
A small child perhaps.
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Old 28-11-2012, 23:53
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I'm puzzled at her use of the word "little".
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Old 28-11-2012, 23:54
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I can't help but think we'd all be a lot better off if we just made decisions based on what we feel is correct instead of being conditioned to make daft knee jerk reactions out of fear.
Yes I have to agree , but I live in the society who deem it unacceptable and so I abide by that .When I was a kid we used words that I now dont , as I know its not a word that is taken in the context I mean it . So I dont use it , I am aware its not acceptable , its that simple
I dont think at all that Rosemary was racist in that context , I do think she was very silly though
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Old 28-11-2012, 23:54
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I suppose it depends whether she would have said this if it was 'another' fit hunky camp mate.
Would she have used the term 'little monkey' if it was Mark Wright for example...we'll never know.
The chances of Mark Wright being as cute and as adorable as a monkey are pretty slim. He is a total twonk.
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Old 28-11-2012, 23:54
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It was a bit weird was laughing up till then too, when she described him as a hunk, then said monkey
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Old 28-11-2012, 23:55
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I'm puzzled at her use of the word "little".
As in cute maybe?
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Old 28-11-2012, 23:56
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The chances of Mark Wright being as cute and as adorable as a monkey are pretty slim. He is a total twonk.
Lol...true..I was trying to think of a male camp mate who's had a good body...
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Old 28-11-2012, 23:57
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Le't recap, just so we understand what the objection here is

Rosemary recalled, that, on seeing a black man in the jungle, she thought it was a monkey

I don't really care whether she 'meant' it in a racist way or not .... it is unacceptable
Why did you twist her words?
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Old 28-11-2012, 23:57
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It was clearly his physique not his colour that made her say that.
yes I saw it as that too ... she sort of made a gesture with her arms too which was how body builders stand/walk which isn't dissimilar to how monkeys stand
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Old 28-11-2012, 23:58
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The chances of Mark Wright being as cute and as adorable as a monkey are pretty slim. He is a total twonk.
that is so true ,Cute he aint
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Old 28-11-2012, 23:58
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'And David, may I tell you? I have to just say this live on television'

'I am scared, about what you're going to say'

'David is such a hunk'

'We know that'

'I am a middle aged lady, and I'll tell you, once I saw him coming through the jungle, like this, like this (holds her arms out) like a little monkey, a lovely, and he looked so fit, and I thought, you know, this is terrific, this is fabulous'
I'm sure that she didn't intentionally have any ill intent, but if that's what happened and the way that she said it, well it sounds pretty bad.
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Old 29-11-2012, 00:01
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I'm puzzled at her use of the word "little".


I think you've nailed it. Term of endearment, nothing to do with his ethnicity. Now if she'd said gorilla I'd be the first one on the streets demonstrating, but "little monkey"? Come on.
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Old 29-11-2012, 00:02
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Yes I have to agree , but I live in the society who deem it unacceptable and so I abide by that .When I was a kid we used words that I now dont , as I know its not a word that is taken in the context I mean it . So I dont use it , I am aware its not acceptable , its that simple
I dont think at all that Rosemary was racist in that context , I do think she was very silly though
Well said, remember Carol Thatcher and her 'golliwog' comment which saw her get sacked from the 'One Show'.
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Old 29-11-2012, 00:02
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I'm not particularly PC, and sometimes think the world gone mad (I'm 43) but as I say I did rewind to hear it again as I thought I had misheard her & it was a bit of an 'ouch' moment. I think it was more an unfortunate than a racist thing, she clearly adores him.
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Old 29-11-2012, 00:02
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Why did you twist her words?
*sigh* ... I've quoted Rosemary's exact words above

I really don't think this a matter of somantics

You can't say the sight of a black man 'coming through the jungle' puts you in mind of a monkey ... whatever words you use to describe the connotation

you just can't
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Old 29-11-2012, 00:02
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I think she said 'with his arms out like a little monkey', not 100% sure though.
I think she said that as well. Imo in order for a comment to be racist there has to be some sort of intent there. Clearly as Rosemary was almost swooning over David there really was no intent of racism and certainly no hint of criticism.

I must admit, when I heard the comment I did flinch slightly, but when I really thought about it I could see nothing wrong with it. The problem is, the word has been used as a racist insult, particularly at football matches where bananas have also been thrown at black players. Clearly in those circumstances it is racist, but surely it has to be about intent and context as well. As a word it is a fairly harmless one, but in certain situations it can be an insult.
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Old 29-11-2012, 00:06
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Oh for goodness sake, this thread is pathetic in so many silly ways. Nothing she said was in any way, shape, or form racist, it was more endearing. David would be totally horrified that what she said about him was having people accuse her of rasicm. Get a grip!
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Old 29-11-2012, 00:06
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*sigh* ... I've quoted Rosemary's exact words above

I really don't think this a matter of somantics

You can't say the sight of a black man 'coming through the jungle' puts you in mind of a monkey ... whatever words you use to describe the connotation

you just can't
You can if the speaker is oblivious to his colour and purely talking about his gait ie the way he walks and holds himself.

I can't stand Rosemary but this was clearly her meaning.
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Old 29-11-2012, 00:07
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Whatever the outcome, and however she meant it - she will not get another tv programme if this is picked up by the press.
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Old 29-11-2012, 00:10
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Anyone who thinks she was being racist is a dumbass.
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Old 29-11-2012, 00:10
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Oh for goodness sake, this thread is pathetic in so many silly ways. Nothing she said was in any way, shape, or form racist, it was more endearing. David would be totally horrified that what she said about him was having people accuse her of rasicm. Get a grip!
Gosh...sorry I started this now. I just wanted clarification of what she said as I couldn't make it out. I knew that some would feel it was a racist reference. I don't believe it was.
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