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I just had to rewind...did Rosemary say seeing David was like seeing a monkey? I couldn't quite understand what she said...
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Ok then lets take this further. Lets just say this was a programme filmed in the North Pole. I came back to camp from a trial and someone commented that I looked like a polar bear. Would I be upset - hmmmmmmmmmmmm no. Insults can be found anywhere if your look for it.
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It was clearly his physique not his colour that made her say that.
Monkey's are 'clearly' muscular aren't they? |
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Well, in an effort to be careful, I'll be more exact
Rosemary said ( verbatim ) "Once, I saw him coming through the jungle , like this ...like this almost litle monkey" ... followed by a guffaw of laughter Would she have used the term 'little monkey' if it was Mark Wright for example...we'll never know. |
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So has nobody ever called someone "a little monkey" - either because they're mischievous, funny or just plain irresistible - all of which apply to the adorable Mr. Haye.
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I'm puzzled at her use of the word "little".
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I can't help but think we'd all be a lot better off if we just made decisions based on what we feel is correct instead of being conditioned to make daft knee jerk reactions out of fear.
I dont think at all that Rosemary was racist in that context , I do think she was very silly though |
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I suppose it depends whether she would have said this if it was 'another' fit hunky camp mate.
Would she have used the term 'little monkey' if it was Mark Wright for example...we'll never know. |
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It was a bit weird was laughing up till then too, when she described him as a hunk, then said monkey
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I'm puzzled at her use of the word "little".
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The chances of Mark Wright being as cute and as adorable as a monkey are pretty slim. He is a total twonk.
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Le't recap, just so we understand what the objection here is
Rosemary recalled, that, on seeing a black man in the jungle, she thought it was a monkey I don't really care whether she 'meant' it in a racist way or not .... it is unacceptable |
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It was clearly his physique not his colour that made her say that.
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The chances of Mark Wright being as cute and as adorable as a monkey are pretty slim. He is a total twonk.
that is so true ,Cute he aint
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'And David, may I tell you? I have to just say this live on television'
'I am scared, about what you're going to say' 'David is such a hunk' 'We know that' 'I am a middle aged lady, and I'll tell you, once I saw him coming through the jungle, like this, like this (holds her arms out) like a little monkey, a lovely, and he looked so fit, and I thought, you know, this is terrific, this is fabulous'
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I'm puzzled at her use of the word "little".
![]() I think you've nailed it. Term of endearment, nothing to do with his ethnicity. Now if she'd said gorilla I'd be the first one on the streets demonstrating, but "little monkey"? Come on. |
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Yes I have to agree , but I live in the society who deem it unacceptable and so I abide by that .When I was a kid we used words that I now dont , as I know its not a word that is taken in the context I mean it . So I dont use it , I am aware its not acceptable , its that simple
I dont think at all that Rosemary was racist in that context , I do think she was very silly though |
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I'm not particularly PC, and sometimes think the world gone mad (I'm 43) but as I say I did rewind to hear it again as I thought I had misheard her & it was a bit of an 'ouch' moment. I think it was more an unfortunate than a racist thing, she clearly adores him.
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Why did you twist her words?
I really don't think this a matter of somantics You can't say the sight of a black man 'coming through the jungle' puts you in mind of a monkey ... whatever words you use to describe the connotation you just can't
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I think she said 'with his arms out like a little monkey', not 100% sure though.
I must admit, when I heard the comment I did flinch slightly, but when I really thought about it I could see nothing wrong with it. The problem is, the word has been used as a racist insult, particularly at football matches where bananas have also been thrown at black players. Clearly in those circumstances it is racist, but surely it has to be about intent and context as well. As a word it is a fairly harmless one, but in certain situations it can be an insult. |
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Oh for goodness sake, this thread is pathetic in so many silly ways. Nothing she said was in any way, shape, or form racist, it was more endearing. David would be totally horrified that what she said about him was having people accuse her of rasicm. Get a grip!
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*sigh* ... I've quoted Rosemary's exact words above
I really don't think this a matter of somantics You can't say the sight of a black man 'coming through the jungle' puts you in mind of a monkey ... whatever words you use to describe the connotation you just can't ![]() I can't stand Rosemary but this was clearly her meaning. |
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Whatever the outcome, and however she meant it - she will not get another tv programme if this is picked up by the press.
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Anyone who thinks she was being racist is a dumbass.
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Oh for goodness sake, this thread is pathetic in so many silly ways. Nothing she said was in any way, shape, or form racist, it was more endearing. David would be totally horrified that what she said about him was having people accuse her of rasicm. Get a grip!
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that is so true ,Cute he aint