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Oh for goodness sake, this thread is pathetic in so many silly ways. Nothing she said was in any way, shape, or form racist, it was more endearing. David would be totally horrified that what she said about him was having people accuse her of rasicm. Get a grip!
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have you even read the thread ? The vast majority are saying it was intended as racist ,It was daft though
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have you even read the thread ? The vast majority are saying it was intended as racist ,It was daft though
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I don't think anyone on here has said she intended to make a racist/what could be percieved as racist comment at all.
![]() I changed it ,I to that all the time with negaitves ,Yikes
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*sigh* ... I've quoted Rosemary's exact words above
I really don't think this a matter of somantics You can't say the sight of a black man 'coming through the jungle' puts you in mind of a monkey ... whatever words you use to describe the connotation you just can't ![]() Additionally, in order to erradicate racism is it not important to infer a new meaning on words like these? I.e. little monkey meaning little scamp rather than anything derogatory? Sorry if there are any mistakes, typing on a tiny phone! |
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Well said, remember Carol Thatcher and her 'golliwog' comment which saw her get sacked from the 'One Show'.
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Yes I have, but have you read your reply properly?
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Oh for goodness sake, this thread is pathetic in so many silly ways. Nothing she said was in any way, shape, or form racist, it was more endearing. David would be totally horrified that what she said about him was having people accuse her of rasicm. Get a grip!
I think it's fair to say at the very least that it was a very awkward moment. To say that the sight of a black man reminds you of a monkey and then to do monkey arm movements at the same time. That's about as awkward as it gets. |
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See the problem I have with this is that, where I come from I have thankfully never heard any black person be refered to as a monkey either endearingly (its a term generally reserved for children) or in a derogatory mannor. So, for me, where I live the word monkey has no racist connotations. I understand that it may have a number of years ago and that it is entirely unnacceptable to descriminate against anyone because of their race but if something is not intended in a racist way, or in my case, where mobjey has no racist connotations, why can't i use this term if i wanted to descrive a person of any race, including black, as a little monkey? I would be completely and utterly mortified if someone thought i was infering race if i used this term and i suspect i'm not in the minority. There are such things as decent people who don't see colour when they look at a person.
Additionally, in order to erradicate racism is it not important to infer a new meaning on words like these? I.e. little monkey meaning little scamp rather than anything derogatory? Sorry if there are any mistakes, typing on a tiny phone! That's why this thread has rapidly grown ... most of us are aware You do not use 'monkey' as a describing word when refering to a black person We have, thankfully, progressed beyond that |
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I'm puzzled at her use of the word "little".
![]() to me she said "like an almost monkey" and impersonated his muscular gait ... a lot of muscular men walk like monkeys regardless of what colour/race they are and I sense that is what she was referring to
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rosemary needs to think before she speaks
she is far to fond of the sound of her own voice and thinks her opinion is the only valid one I cringed when I heard her say it, I dont think she ment anything by it but she should just shut up and think next time |
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Well the 'term' monkey DOES have racist connotations ... whether you ( or Rosemary ) were aware of it or not
That's why this thread has rapidly grown ... most of us are aware You do not use 'monkey' as a describing word when refering to a black person We have, thankfully, progressed beyond that
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If someone calls me an albino monkey should I get upset
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See the problem I have with this is that, where I come from I have thankfully never heard any black person be refered to as a monkey either endearingly (its a term generally reserved for children) or in a derogatory mannor. So, for me, where I live the word monkey has no racist connotations. I understand that it may have a number of years ago and that it is entirely unnacceptable to descriminate against anyone because of their race but if something is not intended in a racist way, or in my case, where mobjey has no racist connotations, why can't i use this term if i wanted to descrive a person of any race, including black, as a little monkey? I would be completely and utterly mortified if someone thought i was infering race if i used this term and i suspect i'm not in the minority. There are such things as decent people who don't see colour when they look at a person.
Additionally, in order to erradicate racism is it not important to infer a new meaning on words like these? I.e. little monkey meaning little scamp rather than anything derogatory? Sorry if there are any mistakes, typing on a tiny phone! What do you think about those reports from occasional football matches when the minority do monkey 'ooh ooh' noises when a black player from the opposing team is on the ball? Or when they actually throw bananas onto the pitch? This isn't just something from a bygone age it's in the here and now. |
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Well the 'term' monkey DOES have racist connotations ... whether you ( or Rosemary ) were aware of it or not
That's why this thread has rapidly grown ... most of us are aware You do not use 'monkey' as a describing word when refering to a black person We have, thankfully, progressed beyond that Like a poster has said on the show thread, rosemarys like a small child whose had too many sweets....she failed to engage her brain before speaking. I'm positive she meant no offense, she obviously likes David & wouldn't wish to upset him. |
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rosemary needs to think before she speaksshe is far to fond of the sound of her own voice and thinks her opinion is the only valid one
I cringed when I heard her say it, I dont think she ment anything by it but she should just shut up and think next time |
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Still waiting for your apology
![]() It's Rosemary who owes an apology ... at the very least for her ignorance and insensitivity |
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I know many rugby players of all colours that walk like apes simply because they are so muscular they can't put there arms close to their sides, or even walk like normal folks do. Now am I a racist if I say any of them walk like monkeys? Nope, I am just stating a visual fact regardless of what colour they are.
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I didn't here her say little
to me she said "like an almost monkey" and impersonated his muscular gait ... a lot of muscular men walk like monkeys regardless of what colour/race they are and I sense that is what she was referring to ![]() |
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True, which is why I was surprised and had to rewind to listen again.
Like a poster has said on the show thread, rosemarys like a small child whose had too many sweets....she failed to engage her brain before speaking. I'm positive she meant no offense, she obviously likes David & wouldn't wish to upset him. |
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....& I have a niece and nephew who are Filipino/white British. When playing with them I have called them little monkeys, as I do with my kids. Is it not the context & intent that's the issue?
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Having worked with many doormen and security men I can assure you that they all walk like that, there was no racism intended in any way.
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Very interesting and enlightening opinions in this thread. I didn't see Rosemary's interview, but how people can be absolutely certain of what she was thinking?
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Very interesting and enlightening opinions in this thread. I didn't see Rosemary's interview, but how people can be absolutely certain of what she was thinking?
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I changed it ,I to that all the time with negaitves ,Yikes

