Everyone is entitled to the odd Columbo moment.
"There's just one more thing Mr DS thread"
"There's just one more thing Mr DS thread"
rosemary...itv2...David/monkey
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Originally Posted by Jambob:
“Yup, they've glossed over it so far, hopefully it won't become one of those tiresome tabloid controversies.
I think Rosemary is just a bit oblivious, sure she isn't aware of the offensive connotations.”
“Yup, they've glossed over it so far, hopefully it won't become one of those tiresome tabloid controversies.
I think Rosemary is just a bit oblivious, sure she isn't aware of the offensive connotations.”
yes i know, jesus christ this world is going mad.
OP she adores David she thinks hes a hunk she wants him to win, i can safely say she meant no offence when she said it, she speaks as fast as a bloody road runner and doesnt always think before she speaks, plus shes on the older side of 50 so may not be up to date with the pc ness of this world. Give the woman a break.
Had a 22 year old who didnt like david say it then yes i would of had concerns myself, but i just smiled and though "oops she shouldnt of said that cause their gonna tear you apart" but she has no idea. when someone does point out what she said im sure she will be mortified but jesus it was an innocent comment said by someone who adores the guy id hardly hang her for it.
Words do become unacceptable in certain contexts over time. Not many people would be happy calling a cerebral palsy sufferer a spastic nowadays, because the word has been abused so much.
Originally Posted by 1fab:
“Words do become unacceptable in certain contexts over time. Not many people would be happy calling a cerebral palsy sufferer a spastic nowadays, because the word has been abused so much.”
“Words do become unacceptable in certain contexts over time. Not many people would be happy calling a cerebral palsy sufferer a spastic nowadays, because the word has been abused so much.”
Yes, I agree!
I honestly don't think Rosemary meant any harm at all. I think she could have chosen another way to describe David given the term could be taken out of context.
I think it was a case of foot and mouth. She opened her mouth and could have unintentionally shoved her foot in it.
Unfortunately these days there are terms that were once used that now are unacceptable.
It wasn't racist, but it was certainly ignorant. A woman of her age should be socially aware enough to understand the connotations.
I think she is so caught up in the limelight, she does not engage her brain. Also she finds it hard to admit she may have made any kind of error in anything she says or does. Unless she may be told to by the production team. Saying that I don't think she meant to be malicious.
This is just getting ridiculous if you find what rosemary said is offensive well its because you are making it that way,why should she watch every word she says incase some pc fool decides its offensive, for gods sake grow up !
Originally Posted by jsp263004:
“This is just getting ridiculous if you find what rosemary said is offensive well its because you are making it that way,why should she watch every word she says incase some pc fool decides its offensive, for gods sake grow up !”
“This is just getting ridiculous if you find what rosemary said is offensive well its because you are making it that way,why should she watch every word she says incase some pc fool decides its offensive, for gods sake grow up !”
Who are you speaking to ? The vast majority are saying it wasnt meant as on offence .If you read the whole thread you will see that
Originally Posted by Erica Cartman:
“It wasn't racist, but it was certainly ignorant. A woman of her age should be socially aware enough to understand the connotations.”
“It wasn't racist, but it was certainly ignorant. A woman of her age should be socially aware enough to understand the connotations.”
Not too sure that Rosemary's world would encompass this, or that she would understand the "connotations" any more than she would understand the appeal of lyrics about women (whores) gay people (battymen) or Afro-American-Caribbean people (n******) and often featuring violence. Funny old world, isn't it?
Originally Posted by PinkPetunia:
“Who are you speaking to ? The vast majority are saying it wasnt meant as on offence .If you read the whole thread you will see that”
“Who are you speaking to ? The vast majority are saying it wasnt meant as on offence .If you read the whole thread you will see that”
I'm speaking to the minority who are hell bent on making this an argument about what can and can't be said incase it offends anyone.
Originally Posted by jsp263004:
“I'm speaking to the minority who are hell bent on making this an argument about what can and can't be said incase it offends anyone.”
“I'm speaking to the minority who are hell bent on making this an argument about what can and can't be said incase it offends anyone.”
I think it's interesting to debate what is and isn't acceptable language. I don't see it as an argument at all.
Originally Posted by 1fab:
“I think it's interesting to debate what is and isn't acceptable language. I don't see it as an argument at all.”
“I think it's interesting to debate what is and isn't acceptable language. I don't see it as an argument at all.”
Its only being debated because people here the word monkey and asume its meant as offensive had david called rosemary it we wouldn't be debating about it.
Originally Posted by 1fab:
“I think it's interesting to debate what is and isn't acceptable language. I don't see it as an argument at all.”
“I think it's interesting to debate what is and isn't acceptable language. I don't see it as an argument at all.”
Me neither. Unfortunately like it or not, we do have to watch our p's and q's at times, it's how it is these days.
The vast majority of the posts on here see it as more of an unfortunate slip up, myself for one. I don't think there's intentional malice at all. Thank goodness it was Rosemary that said that and not perhaps Eric, otherwise this forum would explode LOL!
No, I'm not saying it would be more acceptable for Rosemary to say it as opposed to Eric, but I do wonder sometimes if someone, that some could say is more likable than another, gets away with more, If you catch my drift.
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Originally Posted by 1fab:
“I think it's interesting to debate what is and isn't acceptable language. I don't see it as an argument at all.”
“I think it's interesting to debate what is and isn't acceptable language. I don't see it as an argument at all.”
It is a very interesting thread actually , its good to hear all the discussion and how we need to inform ourselves and be aware .
Originally Posted by BlueStreak:
“Me neither. Unfortunately like it or not, we do have to watch our p's and q's at times, it's how it is these days.
The vast majority of the posts on here see it as more of an unfortunate slip up, myself for one. I don't think there's intentional malice at all. Thank goodness it was Rosemary that said that and not perhaps Eric, otherwise this forum would explode LOL!
No, I'm not saying it would be more acceptable for Rosemary to say it as opposed to Eric, but I do wonder sometimes if someone, that some could say is more likable than another, gets away with more, If you catch my drift.
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“Me neither. Unfortunately like it or not, we do have to watch our p's and q's at times, it's how it is these days.
The vast majority of the posts on here see it as more of an unfortunate slip up, myself for one. I don't think there's intentional malice at all. Thank goodness it was Rosemary that said that and not perhaps Eric, otherwise this forum would explode LOL!
No, I'm not saying it would be more acceptable for Rosemary to say it as opposed to Eric, but I do wonder sometimes if someone, that some could say is more likable than another, gets away with more, If you catch my drift.
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I just find it sad this day and age a lady who is speaking about someone she grew close to has to watch what she says incase its conceived as offensive. I agree though had eric said this a lot of people would have lambasted him for it.
Originally Posted by slappers r us:
“rosemary needs to think before she speaks
she is far to fond of the sound of her own voice and thinks her opinion is the only valid one
I cringed when I heard her say it, I dont think she ment anything by it but she should just shut up and think next time”
“rosemary needs to think before she speaks
she is far to fond of the sound of her own voice and thinks her opinion is the only valid one
I cringed when I heard her say it, I dont think she ment anything by it but she should just shut up and think next time”
Originally Posted by Alrightmate:
“How often are white people who are muscular in stature associated with apes or monkeys though?”
“How often are white people who are muscular in stature associated with apes or monkeys though?”
Originally Posted by BlueStreak:
“Yes, I agree!
I honestly don't think Rosemary meant any harm at all. I think she could have chosen another way to describe David given the term could be taken out of context.
I think it was a case of foot and mouth. She opened her mouth and could have unintentionally shoved her foot in it.
Unfortunately these days there are terms that were once used that now are unacceptable.
”
“Yes, I agree!
I honestly don't think Rosemary meant any harm at all. I think she could have chosen another way to describe David given the term could be taken out of context.
I think it was a case of foot and mouth. She opened her mouth and could have unintentionally shoved her foot in it.
Unfortunately these days there are terms that were once used that now are unacceptable.
”
Originally Posted by 1fab:
“Words do become unacceptable in certain contexts over time. Not many people would be happy calling a cerebral palsy sufferer a spastic nowadays, because the word has been abused so much.”
“Words do become unacceptable in certain contexts over time. Not many people would be happy calling a cerebral palsy sufferer a spastic nowadays, because the word has been abused so much.”
I agree with all of the above.
Originally Posted by Supercalifragil:
“I'm certain she wouldn't have meant it to be a racist remark.”
“I'm certain she wouldn't have meant it to be a racist remark.”
Agreed - she's just from that place and time where they're just not a PC-switched on as needed in this day and age.
Originally Posted by Facechild:
“Agreed - she's just from that place and time where they're just not a PC-switched on as needed in this day and age.”
“Agreed - she's just from that place and time where they're just not a PC-switched on as needed in this day and age.”
Just as aside , I am of her place and time and well switched on and aware . Just saying .,
Originally Posted by 1fab:
“Words do become unacceptable in certain contexts over time. Not many people would be happy calling a cerebral palsy sufferer a spastic nowadays, because the word has been abused so much.”
“Words do become unacceptable in certain contexts over time. Not many people would be happy calling a cerebral palsy sufferer a spastic nowadays, because the word has been abused so much.”
Ian Dury would no doubt have something to say about this.
Lenny Bruce had more to say about words than anybody, but I doubt many people remember any of it.
Originally Posted by BlueStreak:
“Yes, I agree!
I honestly don't think Rosemary meant any harm at all. I think she could have chosen another way to describe David given the term could be taken out of context.
I think it was a case of foot and mouth. She opened her mouth and could have unintentionally shoved her foot in it.
Unfortunately these days there are terms that were once used that now are unacceptable.
”
“Yes, I agree!
I honestly don't think Rosemary meant any harm at all. I think she could have chosen another way to describe David given the term could be taken out of context.
I think it was a case of foot and mouth. She opened her mouth and could have unintentionally shoved her foot in it.
Unfortunately these days there are terms that were once used that now are unacceptable.
”
Likening black people to monkeys or apes has always been problematic.
Are you saying that these days it's wrong but back in the old days it was acceptable?
Originally Posted by Facechild:
“Agreed - she's just from that place and time where they're just not a PC-switched on as needed in this day and age.”
“Agreed - she's just from that place and time where they're just not a PC-switched on as needed in this day and age.”
It's nothing to do with this day and age.
Associating black people with monkeys has gone back to when black people were first brought over as slaves to the UK and the USA and goes as far back to the 'good old days' of racism.
Originally Posted by Alrightmate:
“Likening black people to monkeys or apes has always been problematic.
Are you saying that these days it's wrong but back in the old days it was acceptable?”
“Likening black people to monkeys or apes has always been problematic.
Are you saying that these days it's wrong but back in the old days it was acceptable?”
Its never acceptable to call any coloured person a monkey but I honestly believe in rosemarys case it was more about davids size than colour.
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