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Madonna Appreciation Thread (Part 8)
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boysforpele
22-12-2015
Body shop on the album is great ...the vocals are just too auto tuned... I agree the tour comes alive with a very different Madonna thanks to the songs body shop, true blue, rebel heart, heartbreak city, 8o's Barcelona medley. I loved how many songs were either stripped back or original sounding (but the sounded fresh again). Her voice sounded great and her banter was spot on - much more intuitive to the crowd. And I adored Music and the comedic elements! Great tour - just hope the autotune on the post did treatment is on low
wizzywick
09-01-2016
2015 was the year I fell out of love with Madonna. I was disappointed by her Rebel Heart album, I think there were just too many meh songs on it - I would have preferred ten songs but done with a more epic production - and with more originality. I also became tired of her instagram messages and the ridiculous "sock" hand puppets and her desires to be seen as some trendy youngster appealing to the masses.

However, I watched a youtube recording of her Barcelona leg of the Rebel Heart tour and whilst "Bitch, I'm Madonna" remains a hideous, contrived and self congratulatory and rather instantly forgettable track, (in my opinion of course), I must say the WOW factor came flooding back. The sound obviously wasn't great as you would expect from an amateur mobile phone recording, but the visuals, the energy and the interaction was spot on and I felt that this was a Madonna not necessarily trying to aim for world dominance anymore, but actually embracing and performing intimately for her fans. It was like she realised the fans are the loyal people who keep her where she is. It was nice to see.

I felt guilty for falling out of love with her but I realise it was a blip and if I'm honest I was cross at her for not being in total control of her current music like she used to be. I would love it if she re-released Rebel Heart but with fewer tracks and with more input and warmth. In my view, Madonna is capable of producing music that is pure art. Take songs like Like a Prayer, Frozen and of course Hung Up and Erotica. They have a beginning, a middle and and end. Rebel Heart lacked that. It felt more like Madonna by numbers rather than Madonna the artist. I miss her as an artist. I am confident though, that after seeing her again on tour, Madonna the artist will be back. It is clear trhat she still thoroughly loves to be centre of attention and the performing, smiling Madonna is the Madonna that has been missing during her album campaign.
Gigi4
14-01-2016
In case anyone hasn't seen it, here is the high quality professionally shot video of Rebel Rebel she did in tribute to David Bowie. I think this is an awesome performance. It also has her additional comments after the performance. It kind of makes me think of her dancing to his records in her room when she was a teenager.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lnBwJQnHH8o
Gigi4
14-01-2016
Everyone is entitled to their opinion, but I find it odd you said Rebel Heart made you fall out of love with Madonna. I think for most fans after Hard Candy and MDNA. Rebel Heart was the album that made them fall back in love with her. I don't really understand when you say the album doesn't have heart and warmth. It has far more ballads and midtempos than her past albums. It has songs like Joan of Arc, Ghosttown and Joan of Arc.

I don't understand the statement Rebel Heart has too many songs! The fact is every Madonna fan has different taste in music, so I think it's smart for her to do more songs so there's something for everyone. If you don't like certain songs, you can easily now with technology make your own album and don't listen to the songs you don't like.
I think you might be putting too much emphasis on her promotion and social media and judging her harshly for that.

I'm glad you enjoyed the tour though. When you say art, I wonder about that. Madonna has always been a combination of art and fun pop music. I think she does a wonderful job of keeping that balance.

A fun song like Bitch, I'm Madonna is as much her as deeper more arty songs. Rebel Heart to me sums up everything Madonna. I don't see where it lacks originality or she didn't have input. Like it or not, it's very much her. If you don't like it, I"m afraid you may not understand Madonna as a person or an artist.
Jeannie_Wilson
15-01-2016
Hello, everyone.

Big Madonna fan here. I have all of her albums and seen her in concert on numerous occasions - most recently the Rebel Heart tour. I think she's wonderful.
wizzywick
15-01-2016
Originally Posted by Gigi4:
“Everyone is entitled to their opinion, but I find it odd you said Rebel Heart made you fall out of love with Madonna. I think for most fans after Hard Candy and MDNA. Rebel Heart was the album that made them fall back in love with her. I don't really understand when you say the album doesn't have heart and warmth. It has far more ballads and midtempos than her past albums. It has songs like Joan of Arc, Ghosttown and Joan of Arc.

I don't understand the statement Rebel Heart has too many songs! The fact is every Madonna fan has different taste in music, so I think it's smart for her to do more songs so there's something for everyone. If you don't like certain songs, you can easily now with technology make your own album and don't listen to the songs you don't like.
I think you might be putting too much emphasis on her promotion and social media and judging her harshly for that.

I'm glad you enjoyed the tour though. When you say art, I wonder about that. Madonna has always been a combination of art and fun pop music. I think she does a wonderful job of keeping that balance.

A fun song like Bitch, I'm Madonna is as much her as deeper more arty songs. Rebel Heart to me sums up everything Madonna. I don't see where it lacks originality or she didn't have input. Like it or not, it's very much her. If you don't like it, I"m afraid you may not understand Madonna as a person or an artist.”

You see, I find comments like "I may not understand Madonna as a person or an artist" quite patronising and whilst I respect your contributions on this thread, I couldn't disagree with you more. Firstly, the Madonna we see as a person is the Madonna Madonna herself wants us to know. None of us know her privately so how on earth can we accuse each other of not knowing her as a person?

As an artist I know her as influential, unique, strong minded, creative, talented, level headed, intelligent, crusader, illustrious, industrious, innovative, clever, sentimental, emotional, cheery, sad, man eater, vulnerable lonely soul, mother, outspoken, respectful, defiant, brilliant, exciting, defining, inventive, stubborn and humble.

Rebel Heart indeed does contain some great tracks. But never before on a Madonna album have there been so many skip tracks. A great album doesn't need a listener to create their own version - it should excel from beginning to end. All of Madonna's albums from True Blue right up to MDNA have had such a line up of tracks that skipping one in order to get to one you like has not been necessary.

Never before has a Madonna album been created by splitting collaborators into three teams to write and create tracks for Madonna's approval - and tweaks. I appreciate that you enjoy Rebel Heart, and by no means is it a bad album. It is way superior to much of what was released during last year. But, it isn't a good Madonna album. That is the thing. She is capable of so much better. In my view she fell out of love with the whole project once the bastard who leaked it ruined her moment. Sadly, in my opinion, the finished product demonstrates that. I still listen to MDNA, Hard Candy and Confessions. But really can not get into the vibe of Rebel Heart. I tried playing it again last week and it isn't an album that grabs me. I turned it off midway through.

But let's not fall out. I am so proud of Madonna for her heartfelt, and genuine, tribute to David Bowie. No other artist summed him up quite as eloquently as she did. She made me realise that she is one of a tiny handful, of genuine living legends that we are lucky enough to still have around. Long may that continue.
Theo Rose
16-01-2016
Has anyone read Arthur Fogel's comments about the Rebel Heart leak?

I love Madonna but from what he says it sounds like the entire thing was planned and was a PR stunt to sell the tour, I don't think anyone at Madonna's label or Madonna herself cares about her music sales anymore, its all about the tours now which I find really sad. Its a shame because a lot of the songs on Rebel Heart were a return to form after the terrible Hard Candy and MDNA. I'm quite upset it seems they planned a leak just to hype up a tour. I get she loves being a performer and putting on a show but when did new music just become second rate to her? Now I understand why The Rebel Heart Tour is full of old hits rather than newer content. The newer stuff she does use is only to aid the Tour theme, nothing else.

I blame Guy Oseary for all this. Since her became her full time manager its all been about money first, music second.
Gigi4
16-01-2016
Originally Posted by Theo Rose:
“Has anyone read Arthur Fogel's comments about the Rebel Heart leak?

I love Madonna but from what he says it sounds like the entire thing was planned and was a PR stunt to sell the tour, I don't think anyone at Madonna's label or Madonna herself cares about her music sales anymore, its all about the tours now which I find really sad. Its a shame because a lot of the songs on Rebel Heart were a return to form after the terrible Hard Candy and MDNA. I'm quite upset it seems they planned a leak just to hype up a tour. I get she loves being a performer and putting on a show but when did new music just become second rate to her? Now I understand why The Rebel Heart Tour is full of old hits rather than newer content. The newer stuff she does use is only to aid the Tour theme, nothing else.

I blame Guy Oseary for all this. Since her became her full time manager its all been about money first, music second.”

Do you have a link for this? I have not read Arthur Fogel's comments about Rebel Heart. What did he say?

I don't think it's fair to say the tour is full of older hits, it's fairly evenly balanced between her hits and her newer material. The tour was generally well reviewed, but the only criticism I did see was that some people felt she could have done a few more older songs.
All of her tours are built around themes so all her songs old and new are picked to follow a given theme.

It's not that they don't care about the album, but I think you have to be realistic. With older artists that have been in the music business for a long time, you have to do a good number of older hits or the audience will lose interest no matter how good the new material is. She still does a lot more newer material than most other artists her age.
I don't think it's that they don't care about album sales, but realistically she isn't going to sell albums like she did when she was younger.
If she was just about money and not new music, she would do just a Greatest Hits tour which people have been begging her to do for years.
I don't see how an intentional leak would promote the tour, since the album leaked a long time before the tour was announced and tickets went on sale.
babelogue
18-01-2016
What does everyone reckon about this nonsense of Madoona being drunk onstage in Kentucky? I know she's now issued a denial, but I thought it was a load of crap as soon as I heard it. She's far too professional to do something like that. The press really seem to have it in for her at the moment!
Jeannie_Wilson
18-01-2016
Originally Posted by babelogue:
“What does everyone reckon about this nonsense of Madoona being drunk onstage in Kentucky? I know she's now issued a denial, but I thought it was a load of crap as soon as I heard it. She's far too professional to do something like that. The press really seem to have it in for her at the moment!”

It's all a load of BS. As you say Madonna is far to professional to go on stage in that state. The press will say anything that'll put her in a bad light. They seem to forget that it's water off a ducks back and she's been taking bullsh*t from them for over 33 years. She didn't give a hoot then and i'm sure she doesn't give a hoot now.
Gigi4
19-01-2016
Originally Posted by babelogue:
“What does everyone reckon about this nonsense of Madoona being drunk onstage in Kentucky? I know she's now issued a denial, but I thought it was a load of crap as soon as I heard it. She's far too professional to do something like that. The press really seem to have it in for her at the moment!”

She made a joke about being drunk or drinking alcohol. But it was ironic and tongue in cheek. But the media took it as serious.
There's no way she could do her complicated show of non stop singing and dancing even if she had a little to drink.
Boobob
20-01-2016
I'm all for a good debate regarding music and stars etc but why is that Madonna hater troll allowed to write such garbage with a clear hate agenda on this site. I've also heard he/she has multiple accounts on here too, the lies and hate filled propaganda must surely give reason for a ban. It's truly tiresome seeing those long winded posts on here, I'm all for freedom of speech but surely this troll is getting out of hand, especially when they are clearly writing a lot of false rubbish .
Jeannie_Wilson
20-01-2016
Originally Posted by Boobob:
“I'm all for a good debate regarding music and stars etc but why is that Madonna hater troll allowed to write such garbage with a clear hate agenda on this site. I've also heard he/she has multiple accounts on here too, the lies and hate filled propaganda must surely give reason for a ban. It's truly tiresome seeing those long winded posts on here, I'm all for freedom of speech but surely this troll is getting out of hand, especially when they are clearly writing a lot of false rubbish .”

I completely agree with you. I've been a lurking here for a while and have never seen so much hate from one person. Have you read "Rockalittle" reviews on Amazon? I'm convinced it's the same person.

http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/pdp/profi...pr_pdp?ie=UTF8
RetroMusicFan
20-01-2016
Originally Posted by Gigi4:
“She made a joke about being drunk or drinking alcohol. But it was ironic and tongue in cheek. But the media took it as serious.
There's no way she could do her complicated show of non stop singing and dancing even if she had a little to drink.”

Exactly!

When I read about it in the paper I just thought 'how could she be drunk on stage'? She's far too professional for that!
Boobob
20-01-2016
Originally Posted by Jeannie_Wilson:
“I completely agree with you. I've been a lurking here for a while and have never seen so much hate from one person. Have you read "Rockalittle" reviews on Amazon? I'm convinced it's the same person.

http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/pdp/profi...pr_pdp?ie=UTF8”

OMG! wow

I agree it looks like the same person, the writing style and false arguments are the same.

The giving 1 star to all her albums made me it's so ridiculous it's funny.
Theo Rose
21-01-2016
Originally Posted by Boobob:
“I'm all for a good debate regarding music and stars etc but why is that Madonna hater troll allowed to write such garbage with a clear hate agenda on this site. I've also heard he/she has multiple accounts on here too, the lies and hate filled propaganda must surely give reason for a ban. It's truly tiresome seeing those long winded posts on here, I'm all for freedom of speech but surely this troll is getting out of hand, especially when they are clearly writing a lot of false rubbish .”

Report the posts to the mods. Its clear he is using multiple accounts, I even located past accounts such as JakeXL, Spacecake, BeatsDuJour which he also used at some point during a search.

Its obvious they are a troll with one aim to bait Madonna fans and cause trouble across the forums. I wonder if we should also flag it up in that forum only the mods can see? they really need to do something about him.

As for the Amazon stuff, yep it sounds exactly the same as all his posts on here. Man he is really obsessed. I wonder if he is one of the people Madonna has an injunction out against? it just goes to show how many mentally unwell people stalk celebs.
Jeannie_Wilson
21-01-2016
I agree,
In the terms and conditions it clearly states that posters are supposed to speak about others with respect but his long winded posts are always peppered with insults about Madonna's fans. It also says people with multiple registrations will be excluded, so why is he still here? I'm not exactly P.C savvy but my partner just told me he may be using a proxy server to make other accounts.

Anyway, back to Madonna. Which show do you guys think is planned for the dvd? I think it'll be one of the Australian dates, probably Sydney. We probably won't get it until 2018 though. They like to put all those special effects on but I really wish they wouldn't. Earlier tours like "The Girlie Show", "Blond Ambition" and "Who's That Girl" were perfect without all that.
Gigi4
21-01-2016
Originally Posted by Jeannie_Wilson:
“I agree,


Anyway, back to Madonna. Which show do you guys think is planned for the dvd? I think it'll be one of the Australian dates, probably Sydney. We probably won't get it until 2018 though. They like to put all those special effects on but I really wish they wouldn't. Earlier tours like "The Girlie Show", "Blond Ambition" and "Who's That Girl" were perfect without all that.”

Yes, I'm thinking Australia too, but there were some rumours she was going to film it in Puerto Rico which is coming up soon.

I am wondering how they are going to deal with the section that she slightly changes from night to night. The DVD probably won't have all the different songs she does. I wonder if for Australia she will add a new song that she hasn't performed thus far. I really want to hear either Ray of Light or Live to Tell. Joan of Arc from Rebel Heart would also be nice. It would be nice to have on DVD all the different songs she has done, but that might not be possible.

Last night in Atlanta she did Secret (which was written and recorded there) and Ghosttown.

Before that in Nashville she did Who's That Girl and Don't Tell Me.
babelogue
07-02-2016
So she finally did it! Take a Bow live in concert. Fantastic. I hope the warm reception it got will encourage her to add it to a future tour set list.
Theo Rose
07-02-2016
Her singing Take A Bow gives me hope she may perform Bad Girl too.

I would love it if she performed Bad Girl the night they record the tour for the DVD. Its such a hidden gem.
Gigi4
09-02-2016
Originally Posted by Theo Rose:
“Her singing Take A Bow gives me hope she may perform Bad Girl too.

I would love it if she performed Bad Girl the night they record the tour for the DVD. Its such a hidden gem.”

I love Bad Girl, but I"m not sure if it was a big enough hit for her to do in the acoustic section on this tour. Take a Bow was a #1 hit in some countries. It's her longest running #1 in the US, I think.
I noticed most of the songs she adds in the acoustic section tend to be her bigger hits.

I read that they are recording the DVD in Melbourne. She already said she would do LAP for Australia.
TAB seems to be just for the Asian shows since it has a slight Asian feel. She did again today in Bangkok.
Boobob
03-03-2016
Why are ignorant sexist ageist comments allowed on this site towards Madonna?

It's hateful prejudice, racism isn't tollerated and rightfully so, so why is hateful ageism allowed, these posters aren't even making a valid argument, it's just hate filled prejudice.
Gigi4
03-03-2016
There is a rumour that Kylie will be the Unapologetic Bitch at one of the shows in Australia.
It has been confirmed that Kylie is in Australia now. so it's possible!

I personally am not a Kylie fan, but I know there are a lot of fans who like both Madonna and Kylie so I"m sure that will be exciting for many people.
Jeannie_Wilson
03-03-2016
Oh, I would love that. There have mutual admiration for each other so this should be great. It'll be the first time we'll see them interact with one another.
Gigi4
04-03-2016
Also in Melbourne she is doing a small club show for about 2000 fans. It is a cabaret like thing called "Tears of a Clown" where she does comedy, stories, performance art as well as some songs.
Tickets are free but you have to be part of the fan club.
Very cool. This will be interesting. She said something about it on stage, but I thought she was joking around. But she's really doing it.
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