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Madonna Appreciation Thread (Part 8)
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MCA1992
03-01-2013
I used to really hate Birthday Song from the deluxe MDNA and now I sorta like it. I get those Hanky Panky vibes from it (I ADORE that song for all the wrong reasons hahahaha!). I'm in a quirky mood music wise today after listening to Nicola Robert's stunning Cinderella's Eye's albums - the ode is true it's always the quiet ones ya gotta watch out for - she craps all over the other artists, easily the most credible artist from that group! Although vocally I like Nadine more but that's another topic entirely...my bad!

Been listening to Stuart Price's Church again, I'm getting addicted to it - speaking of addicted the key changes bring me back to why I love I'm Addicted so much. You just don't get that in modern music anymore, the beats are so samey samey throughout or return to how the song started. I love those songs that take you on a real journey and have a totally different beat at the end to how it started - Kelis' Flesh Tone was all about that and it was a continous body of work, moving swiftly slotting wonderfully into the next track etc - perfection and still sounds superior to most of today's offerings. A definite recommendation to the fan of electro/dance music.

I love that pic of Madonna you posted Mr Pinder. Even just out her bed she still looks lovely and refreshed. Her little ski holiday seems to be doing her wonders from the pics. I suppose a physical holiday will keep Madonna in tip top shape so she can still bust a move or two when she has too - then again she's not like Britney Spears or Christina Aguilera, she's always got those gruelling fitness regimes and training programmes so her body is in top shape 100% of the time - another reason why I love Madonna so much, she's double if not more the age of today's stars and she's got the same if not a greater level of fitness than them all the time, not just when there's an album out to promote etc. Queen!
Josh Pinder
04-01-2013
Originally Posted by MCA1992:
“I used to really hate Birthday Song from the deluxe MDNA and now I sorta like it. I get those Hanky Panky vibes from it (I ADORE that song for all the wrong reasons hahahaha!). I'm in a quirky mood music wise today after listening to Nicola Robert's stunning Cinderella's Eye's albums - the ode is true it's always the quiet ones ya gotta watch out for - she craps all over the other artists, easily the most credible artist from that group! Although vocally I like Nadine more but that's another topic entirely...my bad!

Been listening to Stuart Price's Church again, I'm getting addicted to it - speaking of addicted the key changes bring me back to why I love I'm Addicted so much. You just don't get that in modern music anymore, the beats are so samey samey throughout or return to how the song started. I love those songs that take you on a real journey and have a totally different beat at the end to how it started - Kelis' Flesh Tone was all about that and it was a continous body of work, moving swiftly slotting wonderfully into the next track etc - perfection and still sounds superior to most of today's offerings. A definite recommendation to the fan of electro/dance music.

I love that pic of Madonna you posted Mr Pinder. Even just out her bed she still looks lovely and refreshed. Her little ski holiday seems to be doing her wonders from the pics. I suppose a physical holiday will keep Madonna in tip top shape so she can still bust a move or two when she has too - then again she's not like Britney Spears or Christina Aguilera, she's always got those gruelling fitness regimes and training programmes so her body is in top shape 100% of the time - another reason why I love Madonna so much, she's double if not more the age of today's stars and she's got the same if not a greater level of fitness than them all the time, not just when there's an album out to promote etc. Queen!”

I think when you have so many sonvs on one go Bday song is not really that bad....but i do think most likey it has become my least fave Madonna song ever....but its still decent and catchy

and yes cheeky for the wrong reasons me wee Scotty boy hehe!

Totally, i think Kelis with Fleshtone really did harken back to Dance/Electronica grooves with innovation....same with Robyns Body Talk trilogy that year...i loved summer 2010 and i loved that Fleshtone was conceptually similar to Confessions...like a Dance Journey, a Dark Disco Void travel through space, spirituality and letting loose while having fun and mixing it up massive! And Im Addicted did showcase that....speaking of which imagine if it was just Madonna and The Demo Crew on production for an album....ah man Sonically it would be so off the wall and quirky!

Maybe they will be back for album 13 with Stuart Price and M on co-production......you know the rumours of "iconic music producer" circulating also got me thinking....what about Brian Eno (Roxy Music) he is a British writer/producer so it would tie in with Price and Abbey Road also and its an organic/progressive feel...check him out if possible but it got me thinking there.

And thanking you i love the pic too...makes it more obvious how digitally they alter Madonnas pictures for the media also when you see a raw photo circulating...and you see awful altered images of Madonna to endorse their own and making sheep follow the pack ugh!

But i think right now she is the best she has looked since 2007 i feel...she has that regal look, high energy....always that beauty of Old Skool Hollywood there...she is the definition of a legend and a star burning brighter than the rest

And while i love Britney and Xtina and admire the likes of Kylie et al....Madonna has an ethic unrivalled by anyone. Always fit, active and out there i agree...its fantastic!
RetroMusicFan
04-01-2013
Originally Posted by Hit Em Up Style:
“To be fair. The early reviews for Lotus were far more flavourable than the early MDNA views. Infact I think there is only an 8 point gap between Lotus and MDNA on mediacritic.

Bionic had already been a huge flop for XTina so all Lotus did was support the theory that Christina's best days are now behind her. MDNA however is one of Madonna's lowest selling albums off the back of Hard Candy which was also one of her least favoured records. The Tour has been her saving grace but her new music is just not delivering the goods like you would expect someone in her position to. Lets put things into contrast. Music and Confessions had both cleared sales of 3 million within three months of release. Hard Candy hit sales of 2 million within six months of its release, 3 and a half million at the end of its first year. MDNA hasn't even hit 2 million nearly a whole year into release. Even Amercan Life sold more. This is a disaster for her legacy. If it wasn't for the tour being a hit she would have been in a right mess. Someone of Madonna's status is expected to sell huge units regardless. The fact she is way down on her own past efforts suggests a problem.

I'm a huge Madge fan but I am not going to sugarcoat anything to suit fandomers. Those are the hard facts. MDNA sales are 2 and a half million down on Hard Candy's. You can blame promo and wrong singles being chosen but she is still Madonna. Her name alone should provide enough interest. Plus the promo thing works both ways. The whole Lady Gaga thing has kept her at the front of headlines for the past two years so its not like she hasn't been in the press. This is without all the antics on the tour itself.

MDNA has been her most underperforming album to date. To make it worse she had an audience of 200 million watch her promoting herself at the superbowl. Which now in retrospect doesn't seem to have impacted her music at all but more or less just boosted tour sales.

So Madonna really has alot to prove with album 13. Her music needs to be the main focus again. If it goes the MDNA way then she might be in trouble. Madonna's days of being a singles artist might be over now. That is probably more of a concern to her than anything else. Two of the singles from MDNA just didn't go anywhere. Christina has at least managed to have two hits off Lotus on the Billboard. So I'm not sure why both are being compared.

All this said. After the American Life scare Madonna knew she had to deliver. So after the MDNA scare she really knows that she must deliver this time.

Universal really couldn't have made much from her in 2012. I'm actually willing to bet she lost them money. Which might actually explain why she is back in the studio so quickly.

All in all. If album 13 performs worse than MDNA then she is in the shit and I worry about what the latter, and final, story of her amazing music legacy will be. I fear people are just now bored of her because its all been done. Thats a far more dangerous position to be in than anything else. I can't help but wonder if when she starting following the trends rather than creating them with Hard Candy it ruined what she had going and derailed her vision. One thing she said at the time of MDNA's release has always stuck in my mind. She said that her creativity had gone. It shows.”



I have to agree with you here, I'm glad I'm not the only one who fears for Madonna and her career!
Josh Pinder
04-01-2013
why fear for Madonna and her career? there is far far far more actual threats to fear in our everyday lives...Madonna has her legacy up there...its just a question of how she handels this next portion of the rollercoaster ride that is Madonna

Madonnas career and legacy is already in stone...but its a question of whether musically she wants to shake stuff up or not and IMO i think she will with the rumours circulating of her going rooted, back to basics, organic pop feel...cannot wait to see and hear where she heads next
BadKid95
04-01-2013
To be honest, GMAYL was going to be a hit, before it got deleted off itunes over the whole it being "free" drama it was at #13 after only being out for a few hours so it could have been a top 10 hit had it not been deleted. Then of course Masterpiece not being released as a single (especially here) was a terrible move, should have been out around Golden Globes time and if not just a single anyway, great airplay on radio 2 and a top 75 entry over here, beating Girl Gone Wild in the chart run so that too would have gone far with an official release
Josh Pinder
04-01-2013
Originally Posted by BadKid95:
“To be honest, GMAYL was going to be a hit, before it got deleted off itunes over the whole it being "free" drama it was at #13 after only being out for a few hours so it could have been a top 10 hit had it not been deleted. Then of course Masterpiece not being released as a single (especially here) was a terrible move, should have been out around Golden Globes time and if not just a single anyway, great airplay on radio 2 and a top 75 entry over here, beating Girl Gone Wild in the chart run so that too would have gone far with an official release”

You know what that is so true...i remember Reggie when he played it on the chart show said that Luvin was going to be around for a while...and then all of a sudden with this "free" nonsense that meant that sales were discounted and had to retread ground which meant a lower top 40 placing and then out of the chart due to lack of radio play....ironically i do think if Luvin went top 10 it would have been played mroe and MDNA would have had the traditional album back up in the UK.....such a mess...and i think that is where Madonna is going to challenge Interscope next album

I feel it must be done however...i mean she must be disappointed with the handeling of it now she has the full picture. Although tbh i dont think she is ultimately too bothered in herself more Interscope should be frustrated at their handelings on it...maybe oseary too....but regardless we will see where she heads next, I cannot wait.
BadKid95
04-01-2013
Originally Posted by Josh Pinder:
“You know what that is so true...i remember Reggie when he played it on the chart show said that Luvin was going to be around for a while...and then all of a sudden with this "free" nonsense that meant that sales were discounted and had to retread ground which meant a lower top 40 placing and then out of the chart due to lack of radio play....ironically i do think if Luvin went top 10 it would have been played mroe and MDNA would have had the traditional album back up in the UK.....such a mess...and i think that is where Madonna is going to challenge Interscope next album

I feel it must be done however...i mean she must be disappointed with the handeling of it now she has the full picture. Although tbh i dont think she is ultimately too bothered in herself more Interscope should be frustrated at their handelings on it...maybe oseary too....but regardless we will see where she heads next, I cannot wait.”

I didn't think Luvin' was going to follow in the footsteps of 4 Minutes, being a big modern pop hit but I did think it would be another successful top 10 to add to the tally and would prove and artist does not need the support of Radio 1/Capital to get chart success, in a sense I get why the sales were discounted, people weren't buying it in the traditional way but at the same time they were still buying it just a few weeks later

I think single wise with both Madonna and Gaga, Interscope have fell flat on their faces, there was this business then there was the joke around BTW with all the promo singles and normal singles, it gets too much and I hope for ARTPOP and Madonna's next album, they've learnt their lesson
Josh Pinder
04-01-2013
Originally Posted by BadKid95:
“I didn't think Luvin' was going to follow in the footsteps of 4 Minutes, being a big modern pop hit but I did think it would be another successful top 10 to add to the tally and would prove and artist does not need the support of Radio 1/Capital to get chart success, in a sense I get why the sales were discounted, people weren't buying it in the traditional way but at the same time they were still buying it just a few weeks later

I think single wise with both Madonna and Gaga, Interscope have fell flat on their faces, there was this business then there was the joke around BTW with all the promo singles and normal singles, it gets too much and I hope for ARTPOP and Madonna's next album, they've learnt their lesson”

Tbh i still have no idea why Madonna signed herself to Interscope :/ they are just so naff at promoting and endorsing right now its hideous when you look at recent and new releases of artists from the company....very poor indeed. With MDNAs case however it is just absolutely AWOL...movie then single then superbowl then nothing then single and video then album release with nothing to endorse it then 7 weeks later tour....everything was so crammed in 2012 and yet we have seen her set new records and standards for people to follow...i mean the standard has been raised for a superbowl halftime show in more ways than one, name alone selling 30 years into a career is a feat, and new itunes record set for there too, and the world tour has become another top grossing tour of all time....all that in a year is mightily impressive.
BadKid95
04-01-2013
Originally Posted by Josh Pinder:
“Tbh i still have no idea why Madonna signed herself to Interscope :/ they are just so naff at promoting and endorsing right now its hideous when you look at recent and new releases of artists from the company....very poor indeed. With MDNAs case however it is just absolutely AWOL...movie then single then superbowl then nothing then single and video then album release with nothing to endorse it then 7 weeks later tour....everything was so crammed in 2012 and yet we have seen her set new records and standards for people to follow...i mean the standard has been raised for a superbowl halftime show in more ways than one, name alone selling 30 years into a career is a feat, and new itunes record set for there too, and the world tour has become another top grossing tour of all time....all that in a year is mightily impressive.”

I know, if anything, I thought M might have founded another label of her own or still just signed a new Warner deal as they seemed to have things right. And with Jimmy Iovine being the leader of Interscope surely he of all people would have paid special attention to Madonna and the project, shows that Interscope are in it for the money and nothing much more which is sad, honestly hope they go to ruin and M along with Gaga and the rest pull away at the end of their contracts and go elsewhere. Though yeah the tour has been fantastic and the pre-order on itunes too, it's not been totally a down year but we expected better album wise
Josh Pinder
04-01-2013
Originally Posted by BadKid95:
“I know, if anything, I thought M might have founded another label of her own or still just signed a new Warner deal as they seemed to have things right. And with Jimmy Iovine being the leader of Interscope surely he of all people would have paid special attention to Madonna and the project, shows that Interscope are in it for the money and nothing much more which is sad, honestly hope they go to ruin and M along with Gaga and the rest pull away at the end of their contracts and go elsewhere. Though yeah the tour has been fantastic and the pre-order on itunes too, it's not been totally a down year but we expected better album wise”

Interscope are always in it for the money....hense the need for "Deluxe editions" and pricing etc i mean they have lost artists due to this and its all repeating history again the past couple of years.

And yeah i id actually wonder last year why didnt M choose to make her own label independant off of Live Nation and that way she can fund it all herself etc...would have been interesting definitely.
Josh Pinder
04-01-2013
hmmm another image from the M/KLEIN project

https://fbcdn-sphotos-e-a.akamaihd.n...49342834_n.jpg
BadKid95
04-01-2013
Originally Posted by Josh Pinder:
“Interscope are always in it for the money....hense the need for "Deluxe editions" and pricing etc i mean they have lost artists due to this and its all repeating history again the past couple of years.

And yeah i id actually wonder last year why didnt M choose to make her own label independant off of Live Nation and that way she can fund it all herself etc...would have been interesting definitely.”

The fact that Beautiful Killer was on the deluxe edition was an annoying but smart move, one of the best songs on the album but put on another edition to spend more ££$$

Yeah it would, she'll have to wait now until the Interscope deal is up, she can't really back out now
Gigi4
04-01-2013
The latest rumour is that Madonna is going to release new music soon but in a non-traditional format that hasn't been done by any other superstar singer. Not sure what that would be.
Josh Pinder
04-01-2013
Originally Posted by BadKid95:
“The fact that Beautiful Killer was on the deluxe edition was an annoying but smart move, one of the best songs on the album but put on another edition to spend more ££$$

Yeah it would, she'll have to wait now until the Interscope deal is up, she can't really back out now”

Yeh i know...although it would make a great stand off

And interesting gigi...although non-traditional tends to scare me these days

album release with no singles?? release a song a month?
Hav_mor91
04-01-2013
Originally Posted by Josh Pinder:
“Yeh i know...although it would make a great stand off

And interesting gigi...although non-traditional tends to scare me these days

album release with no singles?? release a song a month? ”

Tell me bout its why i loved the Teenage Dream era old skool and what a succes But maybe a bjorkian Biophillia move (not the exact same one i hear gaga is doing that ) but i dunno its madonna girl gotta shake it up somehow. Again why i loved Kylie's Abbey road old with new. She got MDNA out there it was a moderate success time for her to come back fighting with something exciting and shock us again and no i'm not talking her showing us the right tit this time
Josh Pinder
05-01-2013
Originally Posted by Hav_mor91:
“Tell me bout its why i loved the Teenage Dream era old skool and what a succes But maybe a bjorkian Biophillia move (not the exact same one i hear gaga is doing that ) but i dunno its madonna girl gotta shake it up somehow. Again why i loved Kylie's Abbey road old with new. She got MDNA out there it was a moderate success time for her to come back fighting with something exciting and shock us again and no i'm not talking her showing us the right tit this time ”

Tbh Old Skool marketing and promo i do feel will be a way forward....it kinda gets me excited and anxious at the same time....like its another massive risk...MDNA was promoted non-traditionally by name and fanbase solely....next up what else could be alternative?

Maybe release every song off of the album with a video not caring on singles but rather the album content itself?

Either way its MADONNA, so itll be exciting but its a question of what she will do...yes Bjorks way was interesting and i see ARTPOP will be similar also so we will have to see what Madonnas album 13 project will be
Josh Pinder
05-01-2013
How beautiful is this Jean Paul shoot? Stunning image of odes to Madonna, grace jones, Bowie and boy george

Icons of fashion and music fused together from the 70s, 80s, 90s

https://fbcdn-sphotos-b-a.akamaihd.n...52823293_n.jpg
Josh Pinder
05-01-2013
This has been circulating from KLEIN

https://fbcdn-sphotos-d-a.akamaihd.n...33061693_n.jpg

I am so very intrigued by this "secret project"
Hav_mor91
05-01-2013
Originally Posted by Josh Pinder:
“Tbh Old Skool marketing and promo i do feel will be a way forward....it kinda gets me excited and anxious at the same time....like its another massive risk...MDNA was promoted non-traditionally by name and fanbase solely....next up what else could be alternative?

Maybe release every song off of the album with a video not caring on singles but rather the album content itself?

Either way its MADONNA, so itll be exciting but its a question of what she will do...yes Bjorks way was interesting and i see ARTPOP will be similar also so we will have to see what Madonnas album 13 project will be ”

Exactly if it aint broke don't fix it 2 and a half years and making a superstar in the process old skool for me is marketing magic right singles visulas and tour

As for video for every song Beyonce and RiRi sort of follow the old adage of release it all see what happens and its my absolute pet hate as when a single comes along its like which one is the bloody single and you get more flops than successes see TTT

It i interesting in that if madonna does a madonna as there is so little lefte untapped what is she gonna cook up
Josh Pinder
05-01-2013
Originally Posted by Hav_mor91:
“Exactly if it aint broke don't fix it 2 and a half years and making a superstar in the process old skool for me is marketing magic right singles visulas and tour

As for video for every song Beyonce and RiRi sort of follow the old adage of release it all see what happens and its my absolute pet hate as when a single comes along its like which one is the bloody single and you get more flops than successes see TTT

It i interesting in that if madonna does a madonna as there is so little lefte untapped what is she gonna cook up ”

Exactly Keepin it real.

Well again its what on earth Madonna will do for new music? I mean ill she turn stuff inside out of itself.....ah man i need to know soon haha! gotta love and loathe rumours/speculation.news

We are always hungry for more

And tbh Madonna has done - Dance, Dance Pop, Pop, Rock, Techno, Ambience, House, Country, Acid House, Jazz, Folk, Folktronica, Electronica, Psychadelia, Ballad, Funk, New Jack Swing, R&B, Soul, gospel, Classical, Punk, Synth, Synthpop, Disco, Post-Disco, Trance, Club, Hip Hop, Trip Hop, Rap, Dance Rock, Pop Rock......

there is a large range for ya...still likely some more areas uncovered ....so that in itself leads to anticipation of what on earth will be uncovered next
Hav_mor91
05-01-2013
Originally Posted by Josh Pinder:
“Exactly Keepin it real.

Well again its what on earth Madonna will do for new music? I mean ill she turn stuff inside out of itself.....ah man i need to know soon haha! gotta love and loathe rumours/speculation.news

We are always hungry for more

And tbh Madonna has done - Dance, Dance Pop, Pop, Rock, Techno, Ambience, House, Country, Acid House, Jazz, Folk, Folktronica, Electronica, Psychadelia, Ballad, Funk, New Jack Swing, R&B, Soul, gospel, Classical, Punk, Synth, Synthpop, Disco, Post-Disco, Trance, Club, Hip Hop, Trip Hop, Rap, Dance Rock, Pop Rock......

there is a large range for ya...still likely some more areas uncovered ....so that in itself leads to anticipation of what on earth will be uncovered next”

Haha and guess what im now wanting more watch and learn girls Perry got it going on

And so true there is ground uncovered and places to go or ven retread and morph and mutilate and recreate its exciting which is why Madonna And Kylie are still here still excited and thrilled but the art of it all and able to pull something together brillian and mold or mediocre and lacking but always interesting. What i would love of M not a reworking but old demo's b-sides new life and twisted like ARS into something at once familiar but new for the 30th. For new material acknowledging her place and legacy but striving forward i would like MAdonna does rock an area untapped.
MCA1992
05-01-2013
Originally Posted by Hav_mor91:
“Haha and guess what im now wanting more watch and learn girls Perry got it going on

And so true there is ground uncovered and places to go or ven retread and morph and mutilate and recreate its exciting which is why Madonna And Kylie are still here still excited and thrilled but the art of it all and able to pull something together brillian and mold or mediocre and lacking but always interesting. What i would love of M not a reworking but old demo's b-sides new life and twisted like ARS into something at once familiar but new for the 30th. For new material acknowledging her place and legacy but striving forward i would like MAdonna does rock an area untapped.”

I miss the old school approach. It definitely worked brilliantly for Katy Perry, she was everywhere, promoting her ass off, videos not taking too long to be released - she deserved every success she got for that era. More artists need to bounce back to the old school, definitely.

So many lead singles these days are underperforming, yes partially because the artists aren't promoting on the big shows but a key factor is that music video, it could give those extra sales if they don't wait until after people are bored of the song to release it. Plus if you film the music video in advance, you drive your fans crazy with speculation over what your doing

I know it's hardly a mark of success but I heard Turn Up the Radio on a UK station today, I was pleasantly surprised! If only they bloody played it when it was out as a single. Next time!

In that pic of Madonna in the morning, was she wearing her Truth or Dare clothing? Nice promo if so (still think she should model her range!)
Josh Pinder
05-01-2013
yeah mind you MDNA did have single and video premiere same day this era so that was a definite plus and should be a continuing trend.

Just needs to be frenetically paced and bigger event worthy stuff

And totally, Madonna should front everything tbh
Josh Pinder
05-01-2013
Just again realised with the intention of utilising organic instruments primarily how slick my dream of Madonna headlining glasto could be!!! And heck again branch out stateside with Lollapalooza and Coachella etc....Summer Madonna takeover would be such a dream
RetroMusicFan
05-01-2013
Originally Posted by Josh Pinder:
“why fear for Madonna and her career? there is far far far more actual threats to fear in our everyday lives...Madonna has her legacy up there...its just a question of how she handels this next portion of the rollercoaster ride that is Madonna

Madonnas career and legacy is already in stone...but its a question of whether musically she wants to shake stuff up or not and IMO i think she will with the rumours circulating of her going rooted, back to basics, organic pop feel...cannot wait to see and hear where she heads next ”

Because if she doesn't make some 'iconic' music or make some 'iconic' videos soon, she could become a washed up old has been.

When did she last win an MTV award? For Music in 2000 wasn't it?

That's 12 years ago!

She did get nominated for the confessions era, (a total of 8 from MTV, 5 VMAS and 3 EMAs, if my memory is correct.) but won none.

IMO, Madonna is still relevant but not like she used to be.
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