As we said, we shall leave it for a year and see who was right

And he obviosly does need his story to win because his vocals are out of tune 50% of the time

That's your opinion .
If that's the case then before his story came out why wasn't he in the bottom 2 ?

His story has been out from the judges houses and because luckily for Jahmene, there were acts in this year who were out of tune 90% of the time

And your musical credentials are ...

Or is that just your opinion!

Of course its just my opinion I wouldnt have said it otherwise

What are your musical credentials?

This is so true , I've thought from the early rounds he's got joe mcelderry written all over him . Good singer but boring as sin, nothing interesting about him whatsoever and sadly his career will disappear fast

Good taste!

If you are going on musical credentials i have a list as long as my arm who think jahmene is fantastic .
I'm not gonna start name dropping though

Yep I agree. I remember reading DS a few years back and people saying Joe would be a huge interntaional pop star, same with Matt Cardle. This forum does make me chuckle.

Like I said, we arent getting anywhere. Ill come back to you in a year and we will see if he has had success.

I respectfully disagree with you then lol.

Joe has actually done ok for himself and is still singing for a living

Joe is doing well for himself. You don't to be in the pop charts to have a musical career.

Joe might be doing well for himself but to casual viewers and people who dont follow his career with a microscope he has been an utter failure and his last album bombed hugely.

Absolutely .
What would you class as being a success ?
This argument can be never ending

And I thought they wanted an 'international' popstar? Joe certainly isnt that, nor is Matt, Leon, Little Mix, Alexnadra. No one even gives a shit about Leona in USA anymore, they prefer Cher Lloyd.

Someone who has hits in USA

I remember a tom Jones album being a huge flop .
It doesn't mean he has failed though

i had no idea about jahmene's sob story until i heard it last night! at least its a sob story! he dedicated his to his brother. chris dedicated his to his nan (as i'm sure he would do every week!)

Going on the X factor the story was always going to come out .

hope he does win as he is the best of the 4 remaining acts .
If he does win it will give him a great confidence boost .

This seems to reflect a paternalistic (gender notwithstanding) view towards victims of abuse. They must behave in a manner you view as appropriate or "dignified". Certain schools of psychology would call this repression, not dignity.

Jahmene doesn't wallow in his experiences. He implements them to make positive change in his life. He cites them as motivation for his performing in general, and in this contest specifically.

Your "seen but not heard" attitude towards victims suggests to me that you might want to limit your contributions to the financial side. The impact your involvement is having might not be entirely positive.

Well, I would've thought "success" means selling records (or downloads these days), that's what the judges keep saying they're looking for each week. That's the context we're given in the show.

So being able to sell records means "success" in the world of X Factor. Not appearing at Butlins or in a West End show.

When we cease to care we lose our humanity. Even if you don't want to hear his story it only wastes two or three minutes of your week. You are all letting unpleasant thoughts waste far more of your time and that diminishes you as a person.

Joe certainly isnt selling many records.