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Old 02-12-2012, 13:02
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This seems to reflect a paternalistic (gender notwithstanding) view towards victims of abuse. They must behave in a manner you view as appropriate or "dignified". Certain schools of psychology would call this repression, not dignity.

Jahmene doesn't wallow in his experiences. He implements them to make positive change in his life. He cites them as motivation for his performing in general, and in this contest specifically.

Your "seen but not heard" attitude towards victims suggests to me that you might want to limit your contributions to the financial side. The impact your involvement is having might not be entirely positive.
Couldn't agree with you more.
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Old 02-12-2012, 13:08
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This seems to reflect a paternalistic (gender notwithstanding) view towards victims of abuse. They must behave in a manner you view as appropriate or "dignified". Certain schools of psychology would call this repression, not dignity.

Jahmene doesn't wallow in his experiences. He implements them to make positive change in his life. He cites them as motivation for his performing in general, and in this contest specifically.

Your "seen but not heard" attitude towards victims suggests to me that you might want to limit your contributions to the financial side. The impact your involvement is having might not be entirely positive.
Very well put, I couldn't agree more.
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Old 02-12-2012, 13:09
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From the direction of this thread and the articles about him I might start watching it!
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Old 02-12-2012, 13:10
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Well, there's a market for misery. There's even a special section for miserable lives in book shops!
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Old 02-12-2012, 13:16
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Well, there's a market for misery. There's even a special section for miserable lives in book shops!
I'd look at it the other way, he's been through a bad time and is a positive, cheerful and modest young man. There's a chance he's going to show other people you can survive. It's a very positive message.
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Old 02-12-2012, 13:23
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Well, there's a market for misery. There's even a special section for miserable lives in book shops!
There's a market because there are buyers.

Those that can only see the negatives in the situation Jahmene is in and not the obvious positives.

All because they are afraid that what they consider sob stories, will influence the vote and Jahmene might win over their favourite boy band.

Who will they throw their knickers at then?
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Old 02-12-2012, 13:24
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You're assuming a lot about other people's views. We're just sick of his sob stories. Couldn't care less how it influences the vote.
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Old 02-12-2012, 13:28
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Well if he makes the final what's gonna be better the screeching or a special sob story again
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Old 02-12-2012, 13:32
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I thought it was really touching. If anyone thinks Jahmene would use such a thing to get votes they are sick in the head.
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Old 02-12-2012, 13:34
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I thought it was really touching. If anyone thinks Jahmene would use such a thing to get votes they are sick in the head.
get real they would do anything to gain extra votes
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Old 02-12-2012, 13:34
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Yep I agree. I remember reading DS a few years back and people saying Joe would be a huge interntaional pop star, same with Matt Cardle. This forum does make me chuckle.
Then again, it all depends on the backing each act gets. 1D are only popular because of the $10m advertising campaign to make them big in the US and major tv networks being paid to have them on their shows.

Now we get Little Fix, Wand Erection, Oily Murs & Dulisa being publicised on the XF & every newspaper every week to sell their second rate auto-tuned noise.
There are artists out there a million times better than this rabble who will never make it because they don't get the exposure - all because they refuse to sell-out and make money for the corporations.
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Old 02-12-2012, 13:36
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get real they would do anything to gain extra votes
Nah he don't need them he was in the final anyway. He sung a song that had meaning to him, that's it. Was touching, why is everyone so cynical?
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Old 02-12-2012, 13:37
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Then again, it all depends on the backing each act gets. 1D are only popular because of the $10m advertising campaign to make them big in the US and major tv networks being paid to have them on their shows.

Now we get Little Fix, Wand Erection, Oily Murs & Dulisa being publicised on the XF & every newspaper every week to sell their second rate auto-tuned noise.
There are artists out there a million times better than this rabble who will never make it because they don't get the exposure - all because they refuse to sell-out and make money for the corporations.
The internet creates minds like yours. I don't like one direction or olly murs, but you sound deprived almost. Why? If they make good music and people enjoy it why do you cry about it in such an angry vile way?

One direction are huge because they make good songs and look good, nothing to do with advertising.
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Old 02-12-2012, 13:39
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..why is everyone so cynical?
I don't think anyone's being cynical. We're just tired of his sob stories. Revealing a new one week by week.

I haven't questioned his motivation. That's between him and his conscience.
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Old 02-12-2012, 13:43
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If anyone thinks Jahmene would use such a thing to get votes they are sick in the head.
and if anybody thinks he wouldn't, they're not enlightened as to the mechanics of this show.
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Old 02-12-2012, 13:46
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I thought it was really touching. If anyone thinks Jahmene would use such a thing to get votes they are sick in the head.
The fact is, sob stories do influence the votors, hence why the X-Factor bods actively encourage their use (which was parodied to great effect in the Peter Kay spoof Britain's Got The Pop Factor) and have ridiculous themes like 'Dedicate A Song' (aka 'Tell The World Your Sob Story') Week. I have no doubt the the X-Factor bods want Jahmene in the final, so they're playing him to the max, which is unfair on him. If he gets through to the final, it should be because people think he deserves to be there based on his talent and his performances, not because he's had the most tragic life of the remaining contestants.
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Old 02-12-2012, 13:49
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The fact is, sob stories do influence the votors, hence why the X-Factor bods actively encourage their use (which was parodied to great effect in the Peter Kay spoof Britain's Got The Pop Factor) and have ridiculous themes like 'Dedicate A Song' (aka 'Tell The World Your Sob Story') Week. I have no doubt the the X-Factor bods want Jahmene in the final, so they're playing him to the max, which is unfair on him. If he gets through to the final, it should be because people think he deserves to be there based on his talent and his performances, not because he's had the most tragic life of the remaining contestants.
They influence votes sure. But if a guy has a song that he sings for a certain reason, what is the deal? The stupid sob stories is about oh my parents had a divource im devastated. Stuff like this is not even debatable.
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Old 02-12-2012, 14:03
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It's quite telling that they're having to wheel out a sob story for him at the semi final stage, when really his singing should be doing the talking at this point of the competition.

Probably a last desperate throw of the dice from the producers to stop Chris winning.
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Old 02-12-2012, 14:04
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I thought it was really touching. If anyone thinks Jahmene would use such a thing to get votes they are sick in the head.
I disagree, although I believe all this telling of his life story is at the instigation of production. Just to be clear, I disagree people are, "sick in the head," should they think it's Jahmene using this to get votes — to make such a judgement none of us on this forum know him personally. Do we?
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Old 02-12-2012, 14:05
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It's quite telling that they're having to wheel out a sob story for him at the semi final stage, when really his singing should be doing the talking at this point of the competition.

Probably a last desperate throw of the dice from the producers to stop Chris winning.
The X factor like the stories , just watch the us version
Totally cringeworthy over their
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Old 02-12-2012, 14:05
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It's quite telling that they're having to wheel out a sob story for him at the semi final stage, when really his singing should be doing the talking at this point of the competition.

Probably a last desperate throw of the dice from the producers to stop Chris winning.
Chris is 4/1 with 4 people left, he's not exactly huge favourite. Last desperate attempt? Come on get real.
Jahmene was through to the final no matter what he's never been in the bottom two he is favourite to win. This is negative propaganda. Sob stories maybe are overused but this was touching
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Old 02-12-2012, 14:06
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It's quite telling that they're having to wheel out a sob story for him at the semi final stage, when really his singing should be doing the talking at this point of the competition.

Probably a last desperate throw of the dice from the producers to stop Chris winning.
But can such ploy work?

Probably not.
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Old 02-12-2012, 14:08
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I disagree, although I believe all this telling of his life story is at the instigation of production. Just to be clear, I disagree people are, "sick in the head," should they think it's Jahmene using this to get votes — to make such a judgement none of us on this forun know him personally. Do we?
Yes I do know him personally .
I've said a number of times he isn't doing it to get votes
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Old 02-12-2012, 14:09
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I disagree, although I believe all this telling of his life story is at the instigation of production. Just to be clear, I disagree people are, "sick in the head," should they think it's Jahmene using this to get votes — to make such a judgement none of us on this forun know him personally. Do we?
That argument is dated. Look Jahmene doesn't need to do that to get votes. People are downplaying what the hell it was actually about. It is a major thing in his life, people sing about influences in their life always.

The production beforehand was designed to hook the viewer in to understanding why he'd sing this and what emotion to sing with, i think it was real emotion and touching, and people are just so caught up on all the other sob stories that they fail to see this was actually not the case here.
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Old 02-12-2012, 14:09
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The internet creates minds like yours. I don't like one direction or olly murs, but you sound deprived almost. Why? If they make good music and people enjoy it why do you cry about it in such an angry vile way?

One direction are huge because they make good songs and look good, nothing to do with advertising.
Everything to do with advertising and everything to do with empty-headed teenage girls who think they are cool. Sadly, nothing to do with music.

They would be nothing without the Cowell machine.
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