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Old 01-12-2012, 22:47
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I don't get this fixation with them not winning because of being American. If that were the case, they wouldn't have got as far as they did in the first place.

I think it's more a case of DS needing to find some reason that their favourite didn't win, other than the other being more popular / just happening to receive more votes.
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Old 01-12-2012, 22:47
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I really wanted Ashley to win just to prove, mainly to myself, that everything was on level-footing, unbiased and there wasn't any prejudice there.
Oh dear.

Feels a bit of a flat ending in the general scheme of things.
Just about sums up my feelings exactly
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Old 01-12-2012, 22:49
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The problem is that the final averages about a million more viewers than the other episodes, which means there are a lot of people voting in the final who haven't watched the show previously, people who won't have a clue who Ashley was or what she'd been like.
Agreed, that's what swung it and that's unfair. Annoying, they probably thought "Who the hell is this American? Oh look... I'll vote Janine!" despite not watching the show.
I find this hard to believe.

People who tune in to watch the final only aren't going to spend their money voting for anyone. The only reason the figures get a boost in the final is probably because everyone who's been following the show watches it live instead of on catch up.
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Old 01-12-2012, 22:49
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Ashley this year, Adam in BB13, Jermaine in CBB5, Janice Dickinson in IAC, etc... they all came 2nd. In the final, the British or in CBB5 case (an Indian) wins.
No relationship between those shows. No one much watches BB any more so its not typical. Shilpa had all the story and Jermaine did nothing much. Janice was up against the curiously massively popular Biggins.

This looks as if it was close, and if it was, the trial may have been crucial. if Charlie had done worse than Ashley it would have been difficult to justify voting for Charlie. It also suggested that Charlie would have done similarly well if she had had Ashley's early tasks
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Old 01-12-2012, 22:56
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I find this hard to believe.
It's the answer I'm afraid and it explains everything.

How Ashley nailed all the polls, but lost. How Ashley was leading going into the final and was overtaken.
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Old 01-12-2012, 23:10
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I wonder how close it was. Dec said the winner had changed whilst they were on air so it seems Ashley was winning at one point.
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Old 01-12-2012, 23:14
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I wonder how close it was. Dec said the winner had changed whilst they were on air so it seems Ashley was winning at one point.
I am sceptical as to how true Dec's statement was, but it certainly affected the odds and leads to the conclusion that Ashley was more popular (and garnered more votes) from the show's hardcore fans, but lost out to those who tuned in in their droves to watch the final.
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Old 01-12-2012, 23:23
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Charlie may have won votes from the Eastenders crowd, but surely Pussycat Dolls were hugely popular here too and helped Ashley get plenty of votes too - I'd imagine more of the (presumably mostly female and/or young) viewers care about someone who knows Nicole Scherzinger than they did about Dr Who or darts or boxing
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Old 02-12-2012, 00:15
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Hate Charlie so much...
Dude.

Please.

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Old 02-12-2012, 00:23
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Oh were so xenophobic arnt we! An indian, portugese and irish housemate have all won big brother and there have been contestants from loads of countries on it yet on the american one there hasnt been a contestant from any other country.
We have had unknown american celebrities on im a celeb and they have done well. How many foreign contestants were on im a celeb usa?

I wanted Ashley to win but charlie has been on one of the biggest shows in the country for years so she has a fan base already and was a good camp mate and didnt do anything bad for people not to vote for her. Oh apart from the crime of being a mum of course
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Old 02-12-2012, 01:16
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I am sceptical as to how true Dec's statement was, but it certainly affected the odds and leads to the conclusion that Ashley was more popular (and garnered more votes) from the show's hardcore fans, but lost out to those who tuned in in their droves to watch the final.
Not necessarily. If you looked at the series yesterday Ashley had done more. But she had done more because producers had given her more to do. Ashley was ahead in votes for the SF. Charlie got a vote either because people wanted her in the final too, or they wanted to see what she could do in the final or they perhaps took against David being too competitive.

Tonight, the trial showed Charlie doing as well as Ashley which answered the question was she a credible winner, suggested they were equal and suggested she would have had more success if they had given her more trials. There's also a difference in the trial between Ashley doing again what she's shown she's capable of, and Charlie having more difficulty but managing to do as well . That adds a bit to Charlie's achievement and adds a surprise factor. if its close anyway that may swing it to Charlie during the show.
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Old 02-12-2012, 02:23
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I just wanted to say two things! 1) I agree it was the casual vote that swung it, I mean the people who don't vote other than for the winner! They probably thought about it but in then end went with the safe choice of Charlie - they know her, like her in Eastenders, feel for her over her daughter BUT were impressed by her attitude on the trial - she lacked Ashley's strength in it true but she showed a more relatable reaction which is what these casual voters go for!

2) American celebrities do fall short of winning on our shows but Im pretty sure a Brit has never won any major US show right?
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Old 02-12-2012, 02:29
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Ashley this year, Adam in BB13, Jermaine in CBB5, Janice Dickinson in IAC, etc... they all came 2nd. In the final, the British or in CBB5 case (an Indian) wins.
Are you American living in Britain?
If so do you pay tax to HMRC?
If not how do you support yourself while in UK?
Are you here on a Visa?
If not why not?
Are you related to Costa Coffee?

Love Ashley girl, voted for her and Charlie, amazing final, well done girls, don't listen to the sofa bound bores and the poison they spread because their life is lacking. Way to go the girls! x
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Old 02-12-2012, 07:46
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Vehy vehy xenephobic.
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Old 02-12-2012, 07:59
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I agree there is too many "we have to vote for our own" ignorance going on in this country and not to mention that Americans are not well liked
Why is that, though? I've never come across an American I disliked, but I've honestly not come across very many. Is it more to do with their country and leadership, or just a generalisation of American culture? I'm not trying to stir anything; I really am just curious.
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Old 02-12-2012, 09:18
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British public haven't got a clue. Hate Charlie so much what an absolute joke wah wah Kiki Kiki
Good grief - has she eaten your pet rabbit or pinched your dummy
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Old 02-12-2012, 09:41
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didn't watch the final (the Killing is much more interesting) but this house wanted Ashley to win. Maybe if we had voted?
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Old 02-12-2012, 09:42
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Happy for Charlie but Ashley should of win Charlie didn't do anything ?
I am genuinely baffled as to what Ashley 'did' that Charlie didn't do. Charlie was not shown much during the first half, which was a total Helen love-in, and seemed consigned by the editors to the role of 'less glamorous blonde side-kick'; they even made feeble, evidence-free attempts to turn her into the series bitch, lacking any other candidates. Once they did start showing her it was clear that she was likeable, unfussy, friendly, relatable, unbitchy and fun. That seems enough to me.
The problem is that the final averages about a million more viewers than the other episodes, which means there are a lot of people voting in the final who haven't watched the show previously, people who won't have a clue who Ashley was or what she'd been like.
I'm sure that isn't true at all. Not everyone watches every episode - it is quite a big commitment - but a lot of people watch some; they will then chip in for the final. The same applies to any rtv show, from Big Brother to X factor: the final night always attracts a bumper audience as those who have watched intermittently all watch the end of the show.
It's the answer I'm afraid and it explains everything.

How Ashley nailed all the polls, but lost. How Ashley was leading going into the final and was overtaken.
The polls are often wrong. ALL the polls were wrong about the Big Brother winner this year.

I think there is a very small cultural gap which may have lost Ashley a few votes, though no big explanation is needed since Charlie was a perfectly good winner. It was the same with the Shannon twins in celebrity big brother, who were rather similar to Ashley - bright, pretty, sparky, confident. It was noticeable that when the top four were called into the bush telegraph and asked if they wanted to win, David and Eric both said flatly that they were 'in it to win it'. That was fine - the are both sportsmen, and no one would expect anything else. Ashley said "Of course I would like to win!" and Charley said, "I've come so far, and it would be lovely to...[hesitates]... see it through to the end!" You can see the American way vs the English way here: a sweet young woman should never use the word 'win'. American see it as honest and natural, but Brits are inclined to find it a bit brash.
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Old 02-12-2012, 09:43
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It's the answer I'm afraid and it explains everything.

How Ashley nailed all the polls, but lost. How Ashley was leading going into the final and was overtaken.
So the people that voted in the polls were suddenly overwhelmed by nationalistic fervour and switched to Charlie at the last minute?
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Old 02-12-2012, 09:49
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This year I would have been happy with any of the final 3 winning but yet again we have the Brit bashers - were all xenophobic because an American didn't win? I mean come on, has a Brit ever won an American reality show, in fact has a Brit ever been in an American reality show ( genuine question as I don't know )
The final 3 were the right ones and any of them winning was fine by me all this rubbish about how Ashley didn't win because she is American is just that rubbish, she didn't win because Charlie's profile in this country is higher end off its got bugger all to do with what country she is from
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Old 02-12-2012, 09:58
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Charlie won because she is better known that's all, if we were anti american or having an overseas winner Ashley would not have got to the final. Both of them were worthy winners, I suppose Charlie being so different from the character she plays helps, we got to know the actress behind the character, who is as nice as Janine is horrible.
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Old 02-12-2012, 11:02
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It's probably the same in the US though. Katherine Jenkins should have won Dancing with the Stars but was pipped by an American.
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Old 02-12-2012, 11:48
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Somehow I can't see a brit winning in america on a reality show anytime soon,
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Old 02-12-2012, 13:16
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Somehow I can't see a brit winning in america on a reality show anytime soon,
Exactly, but we can't say that as we will be accused of being "anti American."

This " no american will ever win a UK reality show" really really annoys me.

ASHLEY WAS IN THE FINAL TWO!!! Sorry for the caps but it needs to be pointed out.

If we didn't like americans she would of been out first.

But maybe we brits vote on the person, not the nationality. And in the end Charlie got more votes but non US members of the human race were still voting for the yank weren't they? yes we were.

Americans can't win everything, just like a british celeb on a US tv show won't win everything.

So the brit won, get over yourself.
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Old 02-12-2012, 14:21
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I don't think anybody is anti-American or xenophobic.

It's just that I believe people are more comfortable with what they are familiar with and who they feel more affinity with.

Likewise it will probably be a mountain to climb for a Brit to win an American based reality show.
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