It must have been so close. Ashley was ahead very late on and then got over taken. Kind of annoying.
Charlie won for three reasons.
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Originally Posted by Rachelette:
“lol <shrugs>
I didn't say it wasn't. I just said I thought the later poster was sensible, I don't think the original one was. You used the word 'opinion' yourself. That was mine. I assume I am entitled to it?”
“lol <shrugs>
I didn't say it wasn't. I just said I thought the later poster was sensible, I don't think the original one was. You used the word 'opinion' yourself. That was mine. I assume I am entitled to it?”
You can say my opinions are not sensible all you want, but my gut instinct and reasoning almost always make me a tidy profit on this show - including tonight. Kerching, thanks Ladbrokes.
Originally Posted by Rachelette:
“lol <shrugs>
I didn't say it wasn't. I just said I thought the later poster was sensible, I don't think the original one was. You used the word 'opinion' yourself. That was mine. I assume I am entitled to it?”
“lol <shrugs>
I didn't say it wasn't. I just said I thought the later poster was sensible, I don't think the original one was. You used the word 'opinion' yourself. That was mine. I assume I am entitled to it?”
For sure. Just as I stated mine to you.
Originally Posted by InMyArms:
“You can say my opinions are not sensible all you want, but my gut instinct and reasoning almost always make me a tidy profit on this show - including tonight. Kerching, thanks Ladbrokes.”
“You can say my opinions are not sensible all you want, but my gut instinct and reasoning almost always make me a tidy profit on this show - including tonight. Kerching, thanks Ladbrokes.”
Ohhh I would never bet, mainly cuz I'm rubbish at predicting winners of anything. Not cuz of any clever reasons lol.
I don't watch Eastenders, am not British and was completely unaware of Kiki when I decided Charlie was my second favourite campmate (after Hugo). No matter how many times I post this, however, the young men who fantasised about Ashley for the past three weeks and completely ignored her ridiculously favourable edit, secret task etc. will keep rehashing the same points over and over and over and over again.
Well done Charlie, love ya
Well done Charlie, love ya
The introduction of her child has been greeted by vitriol and cynicism. So I can't see how that has been anything other than an disadvantage.
The EE conection seems to have caused two things [LIST][*]People who watch EE dont like her character so began by dislking her before she opened her mouth. [*]Soap snobbery meant her fellow finalist benefited from the "anti vote". [/LIST]
In this country patriotism is often seen as a bad thing, and we have such a large share of 'PC right on' attitude that we have had far more people championing the American because they feared a British person would benefit.
So overall... the 3 stated reasons seem to add up to a massive disadvantage.
And she still won. I guess it was close.
Imagine how much she would have won by if she hadn't had all those "advantages" to over come!
Well done Charlie, Ash David and Eric. Lovely Final 4.
The EE conection seems to have caused two things [LIST][*]People who watch EE dont like her character so began by dislking her before she opened her mouth. [*]Soap snobbery meant her fellow finalist benefited from the "anti vote". [/LIST]
In this country patriotism is often seen as a bad thing, and we have such a large share of 'PC right on' attitude that we have had far more people championing the American because they feared a British person would benefit.
So overall... the 3 stated reasons seem to add up to a massive disadvantage.
And she still won. I guess it was close.
Imagine how much she would have won by if she hadn't had all those "advantages" to over come!
Well done Charlie, Ash David and Eric. Lovely Final 4.
Originally Posted by vald:
“DS is not some sort of oracle.
Sour grapes anyone ?”
“DS is not some sort of oracle.
Sour grapes anyone ?”
No but it goes some way to explaining why the British public can be done over by bankers, politicians etc.
Originally Posted by patsylimerick:
“I don't watch Eastenders, am not British and was completely unaware of Kiki when I decided Charlie was my second favourite campmate (after Hugo). No matter how many times I post this, however, the young men who fantasised about Ashley for the past three weeks and completely ignored her ridiculously favourable edit, secret task etc. will keep rehashing the same points over and over and over and over again.
Well done Charlie, love ya”
“I don't watch Eastenders, am not British and was completely unaware of Kiki when I decided Charlie was my second favourite campmate (after Hugo). No matter how many times I post this, however, the young men who fantasised about Ashley for the past three weeks and completely ignored her ridiculously favourable edit, secret task etc. will keep rehashing the same points over and over and over and over again.
Well done Charlie, love ya
”
Agree also.
There has been a distinctly lack of people complaining that David and Ash (easily the two most attractive in the camp) have benefits from the 'iz fit vote' that I so frequently see bandied about in discussion about other shows.
NOT that I think thats why David and Ash were finalists, I think it's because they were nice.
Originally Posted by patsylimerick:
“I don't watch Eastenders, am not British and was completely unaware of Kiki when I decided Charlie was my second favourite campmate (after Hugo). No matter how many times I post this, however, the young men who fantasised about Ashley for the past three weeks and completely ignored her ridiculously favourable edit, secret task etc. will keep rehashing the same points over and over and over and over again.
Well done Charlie, love ya”
“I don't watch Eastenders, am not British and was completely unaware of Kiki when I decided Charlie was my second favourite campmate (after Hugo). No matter how many times I post this, however, the young men who fantasised about Ashley for the past three weeks and completely ignored her ridiculously favourable edit, secret task etc. will keep rehashing the same points over and over and over and over again.
Well done Charlie, love ya
”
LOVED Hugo. My favourite also. Maybe it's an Irish thing as all my friends/family were the same!
I think Charlie is a lovely girl. I guess what peed me off were all the people on IACGMOOH now stating they wanted her to win because she is English.
People have used supporting Team GB as a comparison to vindicate this being a reason for voting charlie based on her nationality but it is not comparing like with like. It didn't matter how many in the stadium cheered on the athletes the best won. This is a British show on British (and Irish) tv. Americans don't/can't vote. If voting is based on nationality then they should only have British contestants imo. Now if you voted for Charlie because you preferred her for a million other reasons well that's fine imo.
Originally Posted by Damanda:
“The introduction of her child has been greeted by vitriol and cynicism. So I can't see how that has been anything other than an disadvantage.
The EE conection seems to have caused two things [LIST][*]People who watch EE dont like her character so began by dislking her before she opened her mouth. [*]Soap snobbery meant her fellow finalist benefited from the "anti vote". [/LIST]
In this country patriotism is often seen as a bad thing, and we have such a large share of 'PC right on' attitude that we have had far more people championing the American because they feared a British person would benefit.
So overall... the 3 stated reasons seem to add up to a massive disadvantage.
And she still won. I guess it was close.
Imagine how much she would have won by if she hadn't had all those "advantages" to over come!
Well done Charlie, Ash David and Eric. Lovely Final 4.”
“The introduction of her child has been greeted by vitriol and cynicism. So I can't see how that has been anything other than an disadvantage.
The EE conection seems to have caused two things [LIST][*]People who watch EE dont like her character so began by dislking her before she opened her mouth. [*]Soap snobbery meant her fellow finalist benefited from the "anti vote". [/LIST]
In this country patriotism is often seen as a bad thing, and we have such a large share of 'PC right on' attitude that we have had far more people championing the American because they feared a British person would benefit.
So overall... the 3 stated reasons seem to add up to a massive disadvantage.
And she still won. I guess it was close.
Imagine how much she would have won by if she hadn't had all those "advantages" to over come!
Well done Charlie, Ash David and Eric. Lovely Final 4.
”
I think you spend too much time on DS.. as you've described the average DS user's reactions and not the reactions of normal people - and most importantly normal people willing to pick up the phone. Would someone feeling cynical about the introduction of her child be likely to vote at all? I doubt it. Soap snobbery is very niche, and I expect that those who spend their evenings watching soaps tend to watch all of them and are the same who typically vote. Your third point makes more sense than the previous two, but I don't think it's convincing either - considering the history of these types of shows where British people always seem to beat Americans in the end.
Originally Posted by InMyArms:
“I think you spend too much time on DS.. as you've described the average DS user's reactions and not the reactions of normal people - and most importantly normal people willing to pick up the phone. Would someone feeling cynical about the introduction of her child be likely to vote at all? I doubt it. Soap snobbery is very niche, and I expect that those who spend their evenings watching soaps tend to watch all of them and are the same who typically vote. Your third point makes more sense than the previous two, but I don't think it's convincing either - considering the history of these types of shows where British people always seem to beat Americans in the end.”
“I think you spend too much time on DS.. as you've described the average DS user's reactions and not the reactions of normal people - and most importantly normal people willing to pick up the phone. Would someone feeling cynical about the introduction of her child be likely to vote at all? I doubt it. Soap snobbery is very niche, and I expect that those who spend their evenings watching soaps tend to watch all of them and are the same who typically vote. Your third point makes more sense than the previous two, but I don't think it's convincing either - considering the history of these types of shows where British people always seem to beat Americans in the end.”
I assumed Damanda meant, by soap snobbery, that those who dislike ALL soaps would take automatically against Charlie.
Originally Posted by patsylimerick:
“ I assumed Damanda meant, by soap snobbery, that those who dislike ALL soaps would take automatically against Charlie.”
“
I assumed Damanda meant, by soap snobbery, that those who dislike ALL soaps would take automatically against Charlie.”
Ah, yes.. sorry it's been a long day.
I still don't think that was a factor, I doubt the non-soap viewers tended to care whether she was from a soap or not. I also think non-soap viewers are less likely to vote than soap viewers, as watching soaps indicates a stronger attachment to television. (As in if you're going to sit through all of the soaps and reality TV later on, that's about 4 hours a night watching TV.. I think those people are more likely to vote)
Originally Posted by InMyArms:
“Ah, yes.. sorry it's been a long day.
I still don't think that was a factor, I doubt the non-soap viewers tended to care whether she was from a soap or not. I also think non-soap viewers are less likely to vote than soap viewers, as watching soaps indicates a stronger attachment to television. (As in if you're going to sit through all of the soaps and reality TV later on, that's about 4 hours a night watching TV.. I think those people are more likely to vote)”
“Ah, yes.. sorry it's been a long day.
I still don't think that was a factor, I doubt the non-soap viewers tended to care whether she was from a soap or not. I also think non-soap viewers are less likely to vote than soap viewers, as watching soaps indicates a stronger attachment to television. (As in if you're going to sit through all of the soaps and reality TV later on, that's about 4 hours a night watching TV.. I think those people are more likely to vote)”
It might indicate a stronger attachment to soaps but not necessarily to television.
Originally Posted by Luxray:
“The main reason is #2. In my opinion, anyway.
Doubt she'd have even made the final 5 if she wasn't in Eastenders.”
“The main reason is #2. In my opinion, anyway.
Doubt she'd have even made the final 5 if she wasn't in Eastenders.”
Doubt she'd have made the show considering Eastenders is what she's famous for.
Btw, don't mean this in a malicious way.
I think it was the eating trial which swung it for her, personally. She was quite funny hence a vote swing.
Originally Posted by Alrightmate:
“One thing that I believe you've missed is the big influx of casual viewers who tune in to watch finals of these reality game shows.
The finals get a big boost of viewers who won't have been watching the entire series.
So they vote based on what they see in the final.
They recognize Charlie. They are familiar with who she is.
They don't know who the American woman is.”
“One thing that I believe you've missed is the big influx of casual viewers who tune in to watch finals of these reality game shows.
The finals get a big boost of viewers who won't have been watching the entire series.
So they vote based on what they see in the final.
They recognize Charlie. They are familiar with who she is.
They don't know who the American woman is.”
^^ This!
Some people think about this too much and take it too serious!
I wanted Ashley to win but don't mind Charlie winning. I was tempted to bet on her at the start in the first week or so.
She came across well, had a go at Helen (like we all wanted to) and seems a nice, down to earth woman. Maybe some of it was acting.
I can see why people would vote for her. If it was Charlie v David for example, I would have wanted Charlie to win. I don't watch Eastenders. Makes no difference to me about Kiki and whether she talked about her/missed her etc. (And certainly nothing to do with Brits v American).
Doesnt really matter who won - unless you put bet on! I am just happy we have got to see Ashley Roberts. Majority of us wouldnt have known much about her at all but she came across as a pretty, sweet, funny, down to earth girl.
I wanted Ashley to win but don't mind Charlie winning. I was tempted to bet on her at the start in the first week or so.
She came across well, had a go at Helen (like we all wanted to) and seems a nice, down to earth woman. Maybe some of it was acting.
I can see why people would vote for her. If it was Charlie v David for example, I would have wanted Charlie to win. I don't watch Eastenders. Makes no difference to me about Kiki and whether she talked about her/missed her etc. (And certainly nothing to do with Brits v American).
Doesnt really matter who won - unless you put bet on! I am just happy we have got to see Ashley Roberts. Majority of us wouldnt have known much about her at all but she came across as a pretty, sweet, funny, down to earth girl.
Originally Posted by Alrightmate:
“One thing that I believe you've missed is the big influx of casual viewers who tune in to watch finals of these reality game shows.
The finals get a big boost of viewers who won't have been watching the entire series.
.”
“One thing that I believe you've missed is the big influx of casual viewers who tune in to watch finals of these reality game shows.
The finals get a big boost of viewers who won't have been watching the entire series.
.”
Really? I was watching 'The Killing' which was BRILLIANT and have only just caught up on ITV+1. I've watched every single night and couldn't choose between those two lovely ladies so gave myself the night off tonight.
Originally Posted by patsylimerick:
“ I assumed Damanda meant, by soap snobbery, that those who dislike ALL soaps would take automatically against Charlie.”
“
I assumed Damanda meant, by soap snobbery, that those who dislike ALL soaps would take automatically against Charlie.”
Sort of yeah.
I've countered the shaky reasons proffered with rational arguments and objectivity.
There isn't any point in saying more. As you say, it matters not how many times you repeat your stance.
If somebody holds a belief so strongly, a valid argument can't be accepted and it creates cognitive dissonance.
Originally Posted by Stockingfiller:
“It might indicate a stronger attachment to soaps but not necessarily to television.”
“It might indicate a stronger attachment to soaps but not necessarily to television.”
It does indicate a stronger attachment to television because they're watching the soaps and reality television.
Remember when Limahl and Rosemary were in that rat-infested house and the camp mates were told they could be released if they gave up their food? Helen said "it can't be that bad" after refusing to do all her trials up to that point. But despite being really hungry, Charlie was the only person who instantly said that she was happy to forgo her food. That got me voting for her.
Also, she saw through Helen straight away, and wasn't afraid to say what she felt when all the others were babying her and letting her sit round in her bikini whilst they did all the work (on empty stomachs).
Its just a pity she didn't get more airtime, but all the camp seemed to like her and David & Ashley voted her "most caring", so she obviously made an impression on them.
I did think Ashley was more entertaining - but Charlie won my vote for her kindness when Limahl and Rosemary were suffering.
Also, she saw through Helen straight away, and wasn't afraid to say what she felt when all the others were babying her and letting her sit round in her bikini whilst they did all the work (on empty stomachs).
Its just a pity she didn't get more airtime, but all the camp seemed to like her and David & Ashley voted her "most caring", so she obviously made an impression on them.
I did think Ashley was more entertaining - but Charlie won my vote for her kindness when Limahl and Rosemary were suffering.
Originally Posted by Damanda:
“
It's a shame that being a nice person isn't reason to win.”
“
It's a shame that being a nice person isn't reason to win.”
I think it is, I just felt Ashley was equally as nice, and more entertaining. Charlie is a genuinely lovely person though so I'm not 'outraged', I just thought that should have been Ashley's win.
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