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Charlie won for three reasons.
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yohinnchild
02-12-2012
The top reason she won was Kiki + the door task
katywil
02-12-2012
charlie won fair and square. she deserved to win. i wanted ashley to win but i didnt bother to vote. both were deserving winners so i didnt mind who won. well done to charlie. she got the votes from everyone who made the effort.
zx50
02-12-2012
Originally Posted by gemsmummy:
“Rubbish, she won for one reason only, because she was better than anyone else in there. What is it with the Charlie haters? She done nothing wrong in there, she gave it everything. Ashley is lovely, but the best girl won, it has nothing to do with the 3 measly excuses above.”

I like Charlie Brooks. I certainly don't dislike her.
Sun Tzu.
02-12-2012
Originally Posted by vald:
“She really was..and that's why she won.

All I've seen today is lame excuses from sore losers.

Charlie is delightful, funny, intelligent, gutsy and down to earth....Queen of the Jungle 2012.

Time to move on.”

Not from what I seen. Ashley came across better and had a better personality. It isn't sour grapes, it is just questioning.
Salv*
02-12-2012
Originally Posted by SillyBillyGoat:
“DS is usually not in touch with actual voting. Judging by the fact that Charlie won the official show, they did.”

Every single poll online had Ashley ahead by at least 60-40. Most were over 65 in Ashley's favour. In my opinion it was the casual viewers deciding to vote for a Brit at the end which is annoying. Ashley should have won based on entertainment and she made me laugh every episode, Charlie made me laugh once in the entire 3 weeks.

At the end, it was 100% the Brit vs. American thing. An American will never win a reality show. They always come 2nd or get to the final and don't win.
spindiddly
02-12-2012
The casual viewer tuned in for the final and voted for the British one that they recognised. That's how she won it.
SuperAPJ
03-12-2012
Originally Posted by yohinnchild:
“Kiki + the door task”

That sounds like either a band or a children's novel!
Eve Elle
03-12-2012
Completely agree with the OP.
slappers r us
03-12-2012
Originally Posted by Salv*:
“Every single poll online had Ashley ahead by at least 60-40. Most were over 65 in Ashley's favour. In my opinion it was the casual viewers deciding to vote for a Brit at the end which is annoying. Ashley should have won based on entertainment and she made me laugh every episode, Charlie made me laugh once in the entire 3 weeks.

At the end, it was 100% the Brit vs. American thing. An American will never win a reality show. They always come 2nd or get to the final and don't win.”

I thought Ashley had the win when the This Morning poll had her as the winner that poll has never been wrong on the IAC vote

then came the KiKi phonecall "win it for me" "princess of the jungle"
then I knew Charlie would win
Stockingfiller
03-12-2012
Originally Posted by slappers r us:
“I thought Ashley had the win when the This Morning poll had her as the winner that poll has never been wrong on the IAC vote

then came the KiKi phonecall "win it for me" "princess of the jungle"
then I knew Charlie would win”

Plus it might not just have been adults and teenagers voting. Loads of children, have got mobile phones now haven't they. I'm not knocking them having phones of course - good for their safety when out.
1fab
03-12-2012
Originally Posted by Sun Tzu.:
“Not from what I seen. Ashley came across better and had a better personality. It isn't sour grapes, it is just questioning.”

I don't know how you can say she had a better personality, based on the tiny edited highlights we saw each day. Ashley as an experienced live performer might be better at putting herself across for the camera, but that doesn't mean much.
jkimble123456
03-12-2012
Originally Posted by 1fab:
“I don't know how you can say she had a better personality, based on the tiny edited highlights we saw each day. Ashley as an experienced live performer might be better at putting herself across for the camera, but that doesn't mean much.”

If you can't base it on the highlights what can you base it on?

From what we saw Ashley was fun while Charlie was a bore.
1fab
03-12-2012
Originally Posted by jkimble123456:
“If you can't base it on the highlights what can you base it on?

From what we saw Ashley was fun while Charlie was a bore.”

Yes, maybe Ashley was better at self-promotion and putting on an appealing persona to gain votes. That's not a better personality, though. Some people prefer a more modest, natural person.
jkimble123456
03-12-2012
Originally Posted by 1fab:
“Yes, maybe Ashley was better at self-promotion and putting on an appealing persona to gain votes. That's not a better personality, though. Some people prefer a more modest, natural person.”

Linda should have gotten further then.
1fab
03-12-2012
Originally Posted by jkimble123456:
“Linda should have gotten further then.”

Well, it's down to who gets the most votes, that's all. Nobody really knows what these people's actual personality is like, though. It surprises me that some people think they know someone is "a lovely person" from seeing them acting for a few moments in front of a camera.
wonkeydonkey
03-12-2012
Originally Posted by Salv*:
“At the end, it was 100% the Brit vs. American thing. An American will never win a reality show. They always come 2nd or get to the final and don't win.”

If an American can come a close second, they can win. I really don't know why people are surprised or casting around for silly excuses - it seems obvious to me that the more modest, vulnerable Charlie is the kind of person who tends to win rtv shows; Ashley was the one who bucked the trend, as the ultra-confident, fit, good-looking contestants who never show a moment's self-doubt tend not even to come second. Not only are polls very often wrong, but they always tend to be wrong in the same way: they overvalue confident, chatty, glamorous people and undervalue quieter, more ordinary people. I alway thought Charlie had a good chance even when she was behind in the polls, just as I always knew Luke had a good chance of winning this year's BB even though he never topped a single poll for the duration of the series.
Originally Posted by spindiddly:
“The casual viewer tuned in for the final and voted for the British one that they recognised. That's how she won it.”

That is really very unlikely. Votes cost money - I thought they were very expensive actually - and are surely skewed towards those who have become engrossed in the series.
benjamini
03-12-2012
We brits like our winners to be a wee bit gritty, a wee bit vulnerable and human. Not the best dressed nor the best looking, someone we can easily empathise and identify with. Charlie had those qualities.IMO
vald
03-12-2012
Originally Posted by benjamini:
“We brits like our winners to be a wee bit gritty, a wee bit vulnerable and human. Not the best dressed nor the best looking, someone we can easily empathise and identify with. Charlie had those qualities.IMO”

I think that's true. David and Ashley were alike in a way, they just sailed through and oozed confidence all the way through. And of course they were the eye candy this year.
yellowlabbie
03-12-2012
Originally Posted by slappers r us:
“I thought Ashley had the win when the This Morning poll had her as the winner that poll has never been wrong on the IAC vote

then came the KiKi phonecall "win it for me" "princess of the jungle"
then I knew Charlie would win”

Maybe Ashley would have got more votes if she had let Charlie have the initial phone call instead of being selfish?
Tomi Adenuga
03-12-2012
I agree.
Alexis07
03-12-2012
Originally Posted by InMyArms:
“1. Britain vs America
2. Eastenders
3. Kiki”

I was expecting East Enders Actor .
zx50
03-12-2012
Originally Posted by Alexis07:
“I was expecting East Enders Actor .”

EastEnders actress.
James Frederick
03-12-2012
Originally Posted by zx50:
“EastEnders actress.”

Actually females can be called Actors to in the business that is in fact the correct terminology.
sheila blige
04-12-2012
Originally Posted by 1fab:
“Well, it's down to who gets the most votes, that's all. Nobody really knows what these people's actual personality is like, though. It surprises me that some people think they know someone is "a lovely person" from seeing them acting for a few moments in front of a camera.”

It is entirely down to votes, or money spent. By that token - I believe that 1 Direction have had better record sales in a short time span than The Beatles. Does it necessarily follow that 1 Direction are a better band than The Beatles.

Its a popularity contest - nothing more - and despite Ashley being more entertaining (lets say to a viewer who knew nothing of either before) then it didn't matter what she did - she was never going to win.

It will be interesting to note regular posters on this IAC forum and the XF forum. I'm assuming that when Chris wins - all those who are saying it was fair and square that Charlie won IAC - will heartily come out and congratulate Chris on his win.

I have every confidence in you all!
sheila blige
04-12-2012
Originally Posted by yellowlabbie:
“Maybe Ashley would have got more votes if she had let Charlie have the initial phone call instead of being selfish?”

Maybe if Ashley could have had a little child who was at home, missing her mummy and wanting to be a princess? Who knows - maybe if David had made a huge thing about his four year old - he would have been in the final with Charlie. Two parents battling it out for the title of Celebrity Parent of the Year and that Iceland contract. Then again if my auntie had a willy she'd be my uncle.

Nothing Ashley could have done would have won it for her.
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