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Victoria & Brendan - the truth is out there!!
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lundavra
02-12-2012
Originally Posted by Georgiecats:
“I am sure Brendan is a good coach. He's the professional dancer here not her. I expect her ego at being an Olympic champion made her a poor pupil. She was the best in her field but probably found it difficult being not good at something else.

She should have treated it with more respect. She should have listened to his advice and trained harder. Half the time she looked like she couldn't be bothered.

I don't know why she accepted the challenge. She just didn't try.”

By the same principle, all the professionals are good coaches but there have been comments previously that some are better than others and also some suits some contestants better than others.

Sportspeople are used to being coached so should be much more used to it than any others.

I never saw anything in the clips shown that showed that she could not be bothered, did not try or did not show respect but others seem to see what they want to see.
lundavra
02-12-2012
Originally Posted by CravenHaven:
“where would would this forum be without people like you pumping it with controversy?
'ere we go...”

There will be still be someone starting threads moaning about her (and others) in many months time, long after the series is over.
kalouk
02-12-2012
I do think things soured between them. Brendan was so OTT at the beginning and as the weeks went he realised no amount of her bigging her up was going to help he seemed to lose his enthusiasm. Victoria may have been hard work but I felt she was very honest about her failings on breakfast tv laying the blame on her lack of ability not on Brendan. This is why I find this article hard to believe. I would rather believe what I have actually seen her say rather than what she is supposed to have said.
tabithakitten
02-12-2012
Love it.

“He’s like a child that needs all the attention on him."

And I guess there's only room for one of those in any relationship you have Victoria?

Seriously though, I've defended you on this board cos I felt you were getting a rough time but surely you can see the irony in this one?

It may, of course, be carp but I actually can imagine Brendan being like that and then Victoria iterating a (fairly truthful) point without realising the same could be equally applied to her.
TerryM22
02-12-2012
Originally Posted by Scarlett Berry:
“I agree and who can blame him”

Who can blame her for walking out on him in training.
Liz G-S
02-12-2012
Originally Posted by TerryM22:
“Who can blame her for walking out on him in training.”

Everyone walks out on training once in a while - it is frustating not to be able to pick up the dance, and they didn't argue.
I am anyway pretty sure she didn't say that, she has more class than that and appears to be a nice person. They did seem to get on well.
Both were ready to leave, but that was because it would have been embarrassing to stay longer, especially at the expense of better dancers - which everyone was by that point..
I am sure she will put the record straight. If not, she is not the person I thought she was - and she will find, as Lulu did, that people connected with the show will be firmly on Brendan's side on this matter.
lechatnoir
02-12-2012
Nowhere in these quotes does Victoria "blame" Brendan for her exit (and she makes it quite clear her exit was a relief!).

Richard Eden (writer of the article) is the same man who deliberately twisted some tongue-in-cheek quotes regarding Louis' participation into something negative. In fact Victoria has repeatedly said how sweet Louis is and how she'd like him to win.

Mr Eden has form in taking Victoria's quotes out of context and completely altering their tone, so whilst she may have said these things, I certainly don't think she's using Brendan's behaviour to excuse her (lack of) dance ability. It was clear on BBC Breakfast she readily accepts her limitations in that field.

Having said that, I do think it's obvious Victoria and Brendan's relationship became quite strained halfway into their time on Strictly and I personally found Brendan a little rude on their last few ITT appearances. Her behaviour towards him always seemed cordial and fine in my opinion.

The source of this article is unreliable though
Scarlett Berry
02-12-2012
Originally Posted by TerryM22:
“Who can blame her for walking out on him in training.”

Yes, that looked good on Victoria didn't it...NOT.
SDR-1970
02-12-2012
Originally Posted by Scarlett Berry:
“Yes, that looked good on Victoria didn't it...NOT.”

To be fair to her, she's not the first celeb to have done that and wont be the last either.
TerryM22
02-12-2012
Originally Posted by Liz G-S:
“Everyone walks out on training once in a while - it is frustating not to be able to pick up the dance, and they didn't argue.
I am anyway pretty sure she didn't say that, she has more class than that and appears to be a nice person. They did seem to get on well.
Both were ready to leave, but that was because it would have been embarrassing to stay longer, especially at the expense of better dancers - which everyone was by that point..
I am sure she will put the record straight. If not, she is not the person I thought she was - and she will find, as Lulu did, that people connected with the show will be firmly on Brendan's side on this matter.”



He is hemorrhaging support now like a burst water main, and quite rightly so.
The Ambassador
02-12-2012
Originally Posted by maglet:
“She also blamed her very much less experienced partner for their disqualification in the Olympics.”

That is completely untrue.

Victoria was very diplomatic with who was to blame for the disqualification and was also very critical of the treatment that her team mate recieved from some of the coaching staff afterwards.

For the record. Jess Varnish has openly stated that it was her mistake that led to the disqualification and nothing to do with Victoria.
tangoqueen
02-12-2012
Originally Posted by Force Ten:
“If these comments are true, she's showing herself up to being a very bad loser. Blaming her coach is a bit pathetic when the fault was hers for not being a good dancer and not being able to "let go" and enjoy the experience. I'm disappointed in her.”

Hi FT

If this is true (and I am always sceptical) then it wouldn't be the first time she has been a blamer when someone else has affected what she is supposed to be doing.

Is why I detested her from the start. And whether true or not, I'm glad the silly little 32 yr old girl has gone.
Doghouse Riley
02-12-2012
Originally Posted by tangoqueen:
“Hi FT

If this is true (and I am always sceptical) then it wouldn't be the first time she has been a blamer when someone else has affected what she is supposed to be doing.

Is why I detested her from the start. And whether true or not, I'm glad the silly little 32 yr old girl has gone.”

Ooo!

Don't sit on the fence, tell us how you really feel.
Tissy
02-12-2012
Originally Posted by tangoqueen:
“Hi FT

If this is true (and I am always sceptical) then it wouldn't be the first time she has been a blamer when someone else has affected what she is supposed to be doing.

Is why I detested her from the start. And whether true or not, I'm glad the silly little 32 yr old girl has gone.”

Unfortunately she did come across as a silly little girl and the way the judges treated her with kid gloves was ridiculous.
lechatnoir
02-12-2012
Originally Posted by tangoqueen:
“Hi FT

If this is true (and I am always sceptical) then it wouldn't be the first time she has been a blamer when someone else has affected what she is supposed to be doing.

Is why I detested her from the start. And whether true or not, I'm glad the silly little 32 yr old girl has gone.”

So you detest (wow! What a strong word!) Victoria based on something that isn't even true. She has no track record of "blaming" other people when something has gone wrong.

Originally Posted by The Ambassador:
“
Originally Posted by maglet:
“ She also blamed her very much less experienced partner for their disqualification in the Olympics.”

That is completely untrue.

Victoria was very diplomatic with who was to blame for the disqualification and was also very critical of the treatment that her team mate recieved from some of the coaching staff afterwards.

For the record. Jess Varnish has openly stated that it was her mistake that led to the disqualification and nothing to do with Victoria.”

Nice try The Ambassador, but unfortunately a lot of the anti-Victoria brigade seem to revel in their own ignorance, spewing the same untruths endlessly

I don't know, maybe if enough people spell it out, the truth will finally sink here so here goes:

1.Jess Varnish made the error in the team sprint, not Victoria
2.Jess Varnish has admitted this in interviews.
3.Immediately afterwards, Victoria willingly faced the cameras alone (even though she was devestated too) so Jess didn't have to.
4.Victoria then tried to say nobody was to blame. That these things happen. She was protecting Jess.
5.Jess loves Victoria. They are very good friends (yes despite what some here claim, Victoria is friends with many of the other cyclists)
6.Victoria has said a highlight of her (very illustrious) career was winning the team sprint with Jess at the Track World Cup because of their friendship.
7.In Jess' own words Victoria has been a great help, friend and mentor to her.

So can we now please stop using Jess Varnish as another stick to beat Victoria with? Yes, good.
TerryM22
02-12-2012
Originally Posted by Liz G-S:
“Everyone walks out on training once in a while - it is frustating not to be able to pick up the dance, and they didn't argue.
I am anyway pretty sure she didn't say that, she has more class than that and appears to be a nice person. They did seem to get on well.
Both were ready to leave, but that was because it would have been embarrassing to stay longer, especially at the expense of better dancers - which everyone was by that point..
I am sure she will put the record straight. If not, she is not the person I thought she was - and she will find, as Lulu did, that people connected with the show will be firmly on Brendan's side on this matter.”



All Victoria is doing is setting the record straight and speaking the truth after Brenden slagged off her dancing and performance ability, that was very mean of him and she is entitled to respond and speak the truth, he was the one that spoke out first, of course she can defend herself that is the reasonable thing to expect, and good for Victoria sticking up for herself, I'm right behind her all the way.
ed brown
02-12-2012
Originally Posted by greeny12:
“Least surprising news of the week - Victoria & Brendan didn't get on

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/cele...ry-return.html

Even rank bad body laungauge detectors like me got that one right!”

i will believe it when i actually hear and see her say it with my own eyes and ears.
tangoqueen
02-12-2012
Originally Posted by lechatnoir:
“So you detest (wow! What a strong word!) Victoria based on something that isn't even true. She has no track record of "blaming" other people when something has gone wrong.



Nice try The Ambassador, but unfortunately a lot of the anti-Victoria brigade seem to revel in their own ignorance, spewing the same untruths endlessly

I don't know, maybe if enough people spell it out, the truth will finally sink here so here goes:

1.Jess Varnish made the error in the team sprint, not Victoria
2.Jess Varnish has admitted this in interviews.
3.Immediately afterwards, Victoria willingly faced the cameras alone (even though she was devestated too) so Jess didn't have to.
4.Victoria then tried to say nobody was to blame. That these things happen. She was protecting Jess.
5.Jess loves Victoria. They are very good friends (yes despite what some here claim, Victoria is friends with many of the other cyclists)
6.Victoria has said a highlight of her (very illustrious) career was winning the team sprint with Jess at the Track World Cup because of their friendship.
7.In Jess' own words Victoria has been a great help, friend and mentor to her.

So can we now please stop using Jess Varnish as another stick to beat Victoria with? Yes, good.”

yes she has. I saw it with my own eyes in an interview she gave, when she was disqualified in the Olympics. She needs to grow up and look to herself on occasion, then she might see what she accuses others of.

your 1. above is true - and that is what Victoria was blaming her for.
tangoqueen
02-12-2012
Originally Posted by TerryM22:
“All Victoria is doing is setting the record straight and speaking the truth after Brenden slagged off her dancing and performance ability, that was very mean of him and she is entitled to respond and speak the truth, he was the one that spoke out first, of course she can defend herself that is the reasonable thing to expect, and good for Victoria sticking up for herself, I'm right behind her all the way.”

I know Brendan of old, and he is many things but dishonest is not one of them. If I had to rely on anyone for truth, it would be Mr Cole.
chachachavvy
02-12-2012
My take on the Victoria and Brendan relationship was that he was delighted to get a young, fit Olympian to begin with and there was a bit of a love-in, but then, by about week 3, he realised she was whiny princess who stomped and cried to get her way and she totally gave up trying when she realised she wasn't going to be good at dancing (the Anti-Michael, if you like). If anything I think Brendan was rather restrained and subdued this year. I thought he tried to showcase Victoria rather well and she, perhaps, would have benefited had he tried to cover for her more in a twirly-swirly Kristina way. With a baby on the way he probably realised there are more important things in life than getting worked up over winning a talent contest.

I normally take this sort of thing in the papers with a pinch of salt but these quotes do seem rather too specific and unambiguous to be taken out of context. Victoria is the only celebrity on Strictly this year to have gone down in my estimation the more I see of her emotionally manipulative personality.
tangoqueen
02-12-2012
Originally Posted by Doghouse Riley:
“Ooo!

Don't sit on the fence, tell us how you really feel.”

you know me by now Dog - I don't hold back lol


Originally Posted by Tissy:
“Unfortunately she did come across as a silly little girl and the way the judges treated her with kid gloves was ridiculous.”

I know - ridiculous was the word.


Originally Posted by lechatnoir:
“So you detest (wow! What a strong word!) Victoria based on something that isn't even true. She has no track record of "blaming" other people when something has gone wrong.
”

And btw - yes strong word - so what? It's one that is deserved in my opinion. Perhaps you should have seen that interview. It's a public forum - you can say what you like on topic so long as you don't insult another poster.
tangoqueen
02-12-2012
Originally Posted by chachachavvy:
“My take on the Victoria and Brendan relationship was that he was delighted to get a young, fit Olympian to begin with and there was a bit of a love-in, but then, by about week 3, he realised she was whiny princess who stomped and cried to get her way and she totally gave up trying when she realised she wasn't going to be good at dancing (the Anti-Michael, if you like). If anything I think Brendan was rather restrained and subdued this year. I thought he tried to showcase Victoria rather well and she, perhaps, would have benefited had he tried to cover for her more in a twirly-swirly Kristina way. With a baby on the way he probably realised there are more important things in life than getting worked up over winning a talent contest.

I normally take this sort of thing in the papers with a pinch of salt but these quotes do seem rather too specific and unambiguous to be taken out of context. Victoria is the only celebrity on Strictly this year to have gone down in my estimation the more I see of her emotionally manipulative personality.”

nail on head. x
lundavra
02-12-2012
Originally Posted by TerryM22:
“Who can blame her for walking out on him in training.”

It seems quite common on the training clips for one of the pair to "walk out" for a bit of fresh air or just let things calm down. I would not have thought it unusual during intensive training.
lundavra
02-12-2012
Originally Posted by lechatnoir:
“So you detest (wow! What a strong word!) Victoria based on something that isn't even true. She has no track record of "blaming" other people when something has gone wrong. ....”

As as shown when she was eliminated, she immediately praised the other pair and said she would have voted for them. She behaved impeccably through all the programmes, as always.

Many of the accusations against her are just downright lies.
TerryM22
02-12-2012
Originally Posted by lundavra:
“It seems quite common on the training clips for one of the pair to "walk out" for a bit of fresh air or just let things calm down. I would not have thought it unusual during intensive training.”

As far as I know this series no one has had to walk out apart from Victoria, I feel very sorry for all the trauma she has had to endure.
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