I've never understood why people get fixated with the scores, it's the place on the leader board which is important and Lisa was it the right place last night.
Also perhaps I was dreaming but I'm pretty sure both Darcy and Craig pointed out things which were wrong in her routine, including something going wrong (not the final exit onto the sofa) and her timing being out.

Most of them freelancers, although the public may see them as staffers.

Just seen that I have had some questions directed towards me.
I have a small garden and do have Jays in it. I am a size 12 ( don't know whether you consider that fat) and 5ft 3" tall. I can dance enough not to disgrace myself on a dancefloor.
I don't hate Lisa, just think she should have been out before now.

any one you left out ???

I love you!

Loving Lisa's reign!

Not in my opinion she wasn't, she should have been last!

She doesn't get the most bile on this board.

In your opinion yes, in other peoples' no.

They cheer me up too but based on her dancing alone she should go this week or next.

I haven't seen a lot of hatred of Lisa. I have seen quite a bit of criticism of her dancing ability combined with a criticism of the way the judges completely overlooked her poor performance this week both of which I think are justified IMO.

Exactly - so you can't state 'she was in the right place on the leaderboard' as if it were a fact - I was pointing out that it's not, it's entirely subjective.

why do you use the word "hate"? I have not seen anyone saying I hate lisa. Much of the critcisism about her is that, the judges let her get away with alot of faults and say nothing.
if she gets to the final, it means someone better than her will have gone.
The final is three dances one being a show dance. Will Lisa cope with that?

Of course Lisa was in the right place on the leader-board. It is indeed a fact. Not subjective at all. After all they added up the judges scores accurately.

Now anybody who scored the dance after watching it might think that the judges over-scored Lisa by 3 or 4 points. If she had been scored fairly and objectively she would have been in a fairer place on the leader-board. - and in deep do-dos.

Thank you that is interesting.

Spot on! My thoughts too. I think a couple of the better dancers will go before her because the judges are weak where she is concerned and that is a great pity.

Well if I was running SCD I would not have anybody on the show with an ITV or Sky connection.

The whole thing is a PR vehicle (including Il Divo) so why publicise other competing channels?

I don't think she's too fat to dance. The issues with her dancing - the timing issues, the messiness, the sloppy finishing - are not caused by her size but just because she's not very good. And doesn't seem to be improving either.

Nice enough but next to go please

She's not too fat. She was at her fattest for her best dance in week 1.

I just don't think she's improved.

Worse than that though (and it's not HER fault) is the judges' attitude towards her. Maybe she comes across better live in the studio. On air it doesn't look good.

My comment was regarding the fact that the numbers on the paddles are irrelevant to the placement on the leader board for each couple, whether Lisa got eights or not was irrelevant to the fact that the judges' placed her where they believed she should be on the leader board, which was in fifth place. Personally I don't think either Nicky or Michael did deserve to be above her.


There is that too yes. Mathematically she was most definitely in the right place according to her scores.

Plain and simple, that's about the size of it.

Not sure too many want to listen to straightforward common sense, though.

Anything I know about ballroom dancing has come from Strictly Come Dancing and the judges - hold, timing, footwork etc. It's only through their critique over ten years that I've learnt what to expect from each dance. Last night I was prepared for them to lay into Lisa for footwork and frame yet, nothing, not a thing was said about it.

Lisa is being favoured for no apparent reason by the same people who have ripped contestants apart before when they had similar issues. I don't hate Lisa (though I didn't like her attitude towards the judge's comments and scores last week) but I resent that she is being put on a pedestal while others are being shot down for the same thing.

I understand your point to an extent. I don't quite get all the uproar if said posters aren't quibbling about positioning as well. What does it matter if X scored 31 instead of 28 if their position on the leaderboard wasn't affected?

However, many people think Lisa was worse than Nicky last night. So it wasn't just marks that were the problem, it was position as well. And there I do understand people's annoyance. And baldly asserting that Lisa's position on the leaderboard was correct doesn't actually add anything to your point about scores.

Put simply (or as simply as a verbose pedant like me can manage), actual points don't really matter when they don't appear to affect position but they do if someone believes position is affected. Which many do with regard to Lisa last night even if you don't.

Which is down to personal opinion, which is rather the point I was making. The points given are irrelevant to the placement on the leader board. Where the individual should be on the leaderboard is down to each person's personal preferences.
However, the outraged comments are always along the lines of "how could they give eights to that X Y or Z" and not "why did they put A B or C competitor in X Y or Z place".

That's fine but all the replies came in response to this earlier on.


And the point being made is that people get fixated with scores not only for the scores themselves but because those scores affect position. So while you think Lisa was in the right place, many others don't and that's a big part of the reason that they seem "fixated with the scores". Not always. Sometimes people carp on about scores while agreeing with position but I've already talked about that.