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Old 02-12-2012, 13:06
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They did seem to edit it in a way at first to show her 'journey' and how she overcame her obstacles. I think they expected the public to take her to their hearts. I get the impression that they saw the prospect of an ITV2 reality show of some kind with her.

I guess they didn't bank on the public becoming sick of that type of person now. Though she didn't deserve half of the comments I read about her here and elsewhere. She's not evil.
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Old 02-12-2012, 13:09
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I think both Helen and ITV at least banked on her making the final 3 maybe final 2 I wouldn't be surprised if she had some work lined up based on the fact to
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Old 02-12-2012, 13:09
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I don't they wanted her to win because the whole behind the scenes crew where annoyed with her because the amount of time it was taking her to do the trials and then deciding not to do them. Personally I think they wanted to Charlie to win because during the final show they brought out Kiki to Charlie which would of got her more votes, I feel sorry for Ashley because she was winning in the votes until about half way through the final.
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Old 02-12-2012, 13:10
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I think both Helen and ITV at least banked on her making the final 3 maybe final 2 I wouldn't be surprised if she had some work lined up based on the fact to
I agree with that I thought she would have got further as well.
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Old 02-12-2012, 13:10
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I don't they wanted her to win because the whole behind the scenes crew where annoyed with her because the amount of time it was taking her to do the trials and then deciding not to do them. Personally I think they wanted to Charlie to win because during the final show they brought out Kiki to Charlie which would of got her more votes, I feel sorry for Ashley because she was winning in the votes until about half way through the final.
I doubt seeing Kiki about a minute before the lines closed will have had much influence. She was already leading the votes at that point.
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Old 02-12-2012, 13:12
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I doubt seeing Kiki about a minute before the lines closed will have had much influence. She was already leading the votes at that point.
Yeah I but I think introducing her on the show and previous shows got her the vote.
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Old 02-12-2012, 13:12
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I don't they wanted her to win because the whole behind the scenes crew where annoyed with her because the amount of time it was taking her to do the trials and then deciding not to do them. Personally I think they wanted to Charlie to win because during the final show they brought out Kiki to Charlie which would of got her more votes, I feel sorry for Ashley because she was winning in the votes until about half way through the final.
Oh please, you think 30 seconds before the lines closed would have made that much difference? Really?
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Old 02-12-2012, 13:13
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Oh please, you think 30 seconds before the lines closed would have made that much difference? Really?
Look at previous answer ^^
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Old 02-12-2012, 13:14
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The whole subject of her having a gameplan was highlighted on the main show and the ITV2 show was mainly negative towards her.

So I think not.
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Old 02-12-2012, 13:16
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Personally I think they wanted to Charlie to win.
Maybe they originally wanted a Helen vs Charlie final they they could have gone into a full Corrie vs Eastenders story
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Old 02-12-2012, 13:16
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I don't they wanted her to win because the whole behind the scenes crew where annoyed with her because the amount of time it was taking her to do the trials and then deciding not to do them. Personally I think they wanted to Charlie to win because during the final show they brought out Kiki to Charlie which would of got her more votes, I feel sorry for Ashley because she was winning in the votes until about half way through the final.
1. As a breakdown of the voting has not been released , you cannot know when Ashley was leading.

2. Kiki was brought on about 30 seconds before the vote closed - hardly time enough to dial a telephone number.

3 Whilst it can be argued that, at some point in the show the 'Kiki' factor may have helped Charlie gain a few more votes, it is equally likely to have lost her votes.
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Old 02-12-2012, 13:18
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Maybe they originally wanted a Helen vs Charlie final they they could have gone into a full Corrie vs Eastenders story
That could very well be a likely scenario as it might just have galvanised Corrie/ eastenders to vote.
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Old 02-12-2012, 13:22
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Absolutely not.

They edited her in such a negative way that it was impossible for her to win.

I did think it was possible for her to go on a "journey" and win at one point, but it never happened. After the first night, she did scream potential winner (I thought she'd make a 'come back' and prove everyone wrong after forming an opinion on her on day one).

It soon became clear though that the producers were simply using her for headlines, showing her very negatively (compared to everyone else in the camp).

They wanted to keep the likes of Eric, Helen and Rosemary for as long as possible as they created the talking points, but after seeing their voting figures, they obviously knew they had a tough battle on their hands - hence the heavy features throughout the highlight shows for them.
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Old 02-12-2012, 13:25
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1. As a breakdown of the voting has not been released , you cannot know when Ashley was leading.
Ant & Dec stated that the leader had changed during their time on air.

Since Charlie won, obviously Ashley was leading up until they came on air.
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Old 02-12-2012, 13:25
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Personally I believe they don't care who wins as long as acceptable viewing figures are achieved. The show is 12 years old and struggling to it's maintain former ratings. If one person proves popular they will give that person more air time.

This year never had a clear favourite. We haven't got the full voting breakdown yet, but I think it was close and any of the top three could have won it.
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Old 02-12-2012, 13:26
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Ant & Dec stated that the leader had changed during their time on air.

Since Charlie won, obviously Ashley was leading up until they came on air.
Yeah she must of been leading.
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Old 02-12-2012, 13:52
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I think Helen will be turned into the next pricey to be honest, Fly on the wall show, Magazine deals etc
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Old 02-12-2012, 14:24
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I do.

But I think it became apparent to them around a certain point that it simply wasn't going to happen so they just simply let her go, so to speak.
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Old 02-12-2012, 14:49
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I don't think ITV care who wins as long as they get, a) good ratings and b) a lot of phone votes.
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Old 02-12-2012, 14:51
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Quite a lot of the celebs have talked about going on a 'journey', not just Helen. This 'ITV2' reality show speculation also appears on the forum around any celeb who gets a lot of airtime in any particular episode.
I think they imagined Helen would get the show some column inches in the tabloids, which she did. It makes no difference to ITV which celebs wins, they just want good viewing figures.

Helen would never have won after her lacklustre attempts at her first couple of trials - viewers want to see a trier, not a quitter.
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Old 02-12-2012, 17:21
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I think Helen will be turned into the next pricey to be honest, Fly on the wall show, Magazine deals etc

Really? You mean Katie Price who is gorgeous looking even without make-up, tough as old boots and with a really sharp business brain. Helen? WAGs are soooo last year.
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Old 02-12-2012, 17:29
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Really? You mean Katie Price who is gorgeous looking even without make-up.
Is there a Katie Price I don't know about the famous one is about as good looking as Freddy Kruger having a spasm
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Old 02-12-2012, 17:37
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1. As a breakdown of the voting has not been released , you cannot know when Ashley was leading.

2. Kiki was brought on about 30 seconds before the vote closed - hardly time enough to dial a telephone number.

3 Whilst it can be argued that, at some point in the show the 'Kiki' factor may have helped Charlie gain a few more votes, it is equally likely to have lost her votes.
Exactly, there were alot of nasty comments about Kiki on here, and if anything put people off voting for Charlie.
maybe Charlie got more votes at the end because people actually liked her?
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Old 02-12-2012, 17:38
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I think Helen will be turned into the next pricey to be honest, Fly on the wall show, Magazine deals etc
Good grief how will they do that?
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Old 02-12-2012, 21:07
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If she had not been so anel about everything, she could have been in with a chance.

She was on one of the most watched tv programmes in the UK. It's my belief this is how Charlie won. there will have been a lot of people watching who will not know who Ashley was, where as Charlie will have been a house hold face to nearly everyone.
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