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Old 02-12-2012, 22:37
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What gives people the right to call others names for genuinely liking Christopher (or any act for that matter)? We are not all "old", we are not all "friends of menan", we are not all "mental" or "crazy". Why get so personal? So infantile.

Why can't people just get that Christopher has a huge fanbase and stop getting personal/nasty about it?

Yes I like Christopher, but I also like the other two and any of the finalists are worthy of winning the show.
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Old 02-12-2012, 22:40
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What gives people the right to call others names for genuinely liking Christopher (or any act for that matter)? We are not all "old", we are not all "friends of menan", we are not all "mental" or "crazy". Why get so personal? So infantile.

Why can't people just get that Christopher has a huge fanbase and stop getting personal/nasty about it?

Yes I like Christopher, but I also like the other two and any of the finalists are worthy of winning the show.
He does not have a huge fanbase. Few granny's like him. Few people feel sorry for him. Few people like his 80's songs he sings. Few people voting him out of some sort of protest. And finally Liverpool vote for their own.

He is average and when people say stuff like Chris is the best singer in the competition, it is mental.

If you like Christopher no big deal. Some people liked Saddam Hussein as well
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Old 02-12-2012, 22:42
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He does not have a huge fanbase. Few granny's like him. Few people feel sorry for him. Few people like his 80's songs he sings. Few people voting him out of some sort of protest. And finally Liverpool vote for their own.

He is average and when people say stuff like Chris is the best singer in the competition, it is mental.

If you like Christopher no big deal. Some people liked Saddam Hussein as well
But this is your opinion, why is it mental that some people think he is the best singer in the competition?!
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Old 02-12-2012, 22:45
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What gives people the right to call others names for genuinely liking Christopher (or any act for that matter)? We are not all "old", we are not all "friends of menan", we are not all "mental" or "crazy". Why get so personal? So infantile.

Why can't people just get that Christopher has a huge fanbase and stop getting personal/nasty about it?

Yes I like Christopher, but I also like the other two and any of the finalists are worthy of winning the show.
Don't let it get to you. There are a lot of sheep who will just follow the judges wherever they lead them without using their ears.

Despite what we are led to believe, Chris can sing and better than the other two in the final. He just isn't in the age bracket that the show really wants to win.
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Old 02-12-2012, 22:46
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and people are voting him just to have a go at syco,and make the xfactor look silly
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Old 02-12-2012, 22:47
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He does not have a huge fanbase. Few granny's like him. Few people feel sorry for him. Few people like his 80's songs he sings. Few people voting him out of some sort of protest. And finally Liverpool vote for their own.

He is average and when people say stuff like Chris is the best singer in the competition, it is mental.

If you like Christopher no big deal. Some people liked Saddam Hussein as well
Totally uncalled for & in bad taste using Saddam Hussein as an analogy. I am from Liverpool & can disprove your massive conspiracy theory that every scouser is voting for him. I agree with the OP the nasty comments on here particularly directed at Chris have been uncalled for. Yes - he may be old fashioned & not to everyone's taste but his performance of "You Raise My Up" was great last night & people voted him through on that!
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Old 02-12-2012, 22:49
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and people are voting him just to have a go at syco,and make the xfactor look silly
Can't see why it would make x factor look silly as Christopher is worthy, as are the other two, of winning the show IMO
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Old 02-12-2012, 22:49
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If you like Christopher no big deal. Some people liked Saddam Hussein as well
Bluddy hell.

A guy goes onto X Factor to try to make it big.

He gets to the final - he hasn't tortured or murdered anyone - yet here he is being compared with an absolute homicidal maniac.

Get real.
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Old 02-12-2012, 22:49
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and people are voting him just to have a go at syco,and make the xfactor look silly
Why would it make the xfactor look silly? He is the best singer left, well for those of us who can't bear the vocal gymnastics of Jahmehne and like to be able to hear the words that are being sung rather than the mumblings of James. It is hardly making the show look silly if the best singer gets voted into the final.
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Old 02-12-2012, 22:50
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Totally uncalled for & in bad taste using Saddam Hussein as an analogy. I am from Liverpool & can disprove your massive conspiracy theory that every scouser is voting for him. I agree with the OP the nasty comments on here particularly directed at Chris have been uncalled for. Yes - he may be old fashioned & not to everyone's taste but his performance of "You Raise My Up" was great last night.
It really wasn't. I know not everyone in Liverpool likes him but some will vote for him purely because he's a scouser.

I am just saying some people like shady people..some do it purely because others don't like them, some have more genuine reasons.

It is what it is. I think people need a new topic, Chris threads are too much.
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Old 02-12-2012, 22:52
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Why would it make the xfactor look silly? He is the best singer left, well for those of us who can't bear the vocal gymnastics of Jahmehne and like to be able to hear the words that are being sung rather than the mumblings of James. It is hardly making the show look silly if the best singer gets voted into the final.
How the hell is he the best singer. When James sings a song you can understand better you cannot seriously say that. Jahmene maybe has 100 notes in 1note but he still sings like a professional. chris is karoke cruise ship it is not the same league. he is a week 1 type person now he is in the final it is crazy.
But again if people who watch relate to him fair enough.
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Old 02-12-2012, 22:53
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Why would it make the xfactor look silly? He is the best singer left, well for those of us who can't bear the vocal gymnastics of Jahmehne and like to be able to hear the words that are being sung rather than the mumblings of James. It is hardly making the show look silly if the best singer gets voted into the final.
the best singer in your opinion,if you like that type of singing that is.
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Old 02-12-2012, 22:54
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But this is your opinion, why is it mental that some people think he is the best singer in the competition?!
I wouldn't use a term like 'mental' but it's objectively not true. He has a very limited range. It's not about not liking what he does, it's about him not being very good at what he does.
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Old 02-12-2012, 22:54
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It really wasn't. I know not everyone in Liverpool likes him but some will vote for him purely because he's a scouser.

I am just saying some people like shady people..some do it purely because others don't like them, some have more genuine reasons.

It is what it is. I think people need a new topic, Chris threads are too much.
People are entitled to vote for any reason that they want. If the producers don't want that then they shouldn't have a public vote.
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Old 02-12-2012, 22:59
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How the hell is he the best singer. When James sings a song you can understand better you cannot seriously say that. Jahmene maybe has 100 notes in 1note but he still sings like a professional. chris is karoke cruise ship it is not the same league. he is a week 1 type person now he is in the final it is crazy.
But again if people who watch relate to him fair enough.
He is quite easily the best singer. I don't want to hear 100 notes in 1 note - it is painful on the ear. James rarely sings a song you can understand (oddly, the only time he did he ended up in the bottom two).

Incidentally this 'cruise ship' insult that keeps being thrown about - you do realise that people hired and paid to perform on a cruise ship are, by definition, professional singers.
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Old 02-12-2012, 23:01
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the best singer in your opinion,if you like that type of singing that is.
Yes, it is my opinion but I am entitled to that. Clearly a lot of people like that type of singing - he has just been voted through to the final after all.
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Old 02-12-2012, 23:04
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Why would it make the xfactor look silly? He is the best singer left, well for those of us who can't bear the vocal gymnastics of Jahmehne and like to be able to hear the words that are being sung rather than the mumblings of James. It is hardly making the show look silly if the best singer gets voted into the final.
'Best' singer is entirely arguable, as the word means different things to different people. Technically he's probably not the best (as Gary has mentioned, he's had to unlearn a lot of mannerisms), but that arguable and besides the point - people don't bond to technicality, they bond to tone and feel.

Why it would make X Factor look silly is that X Factor wants to be relevant and cool and 'important' - to make artists that are chart friendly; to make an impact. By any stretch of the imagination, Christopher is almost the dead opposite of what the show i supposedly about. He doesn't do cool, he doesn't even particularly try to do meaningful or relevant (which I'm kind of annoyed at Gary for, it's his job to push him). He's just a nice, old-school, cheesy singer with a smile on his face.

Again: this is fine and if you think that's the best kind of music, you are not wrong . . . there is no wrong when it comes to taste. When it comes to what's good for the show and what grows or damages the brand though, that's another matter entirely.

The relative failure of the X Factor winners in recent years (bar Little Mix) has damaged the brand. It's hard to take the pomposity seriously when the acts that go on to do the best are not necessarily the ones who're popular at the time. Why should people care who wins when the winner isn't that important? That's not Chris' fault, but if you ever wanted a standard bearer for the X Factor being out of touch and a bit pointless to vote in, this year has been it.
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Old 02-12-2012, 23:08
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'Best' singer is entirely arguable, as the word means different things to different people. Technically he's probably not the best (as Gary has mentioned, he's had to unlearn a lot of mannerisms), but that arguable and besides the point - people don't bond to technicality, they bond to tone and feel.

Why it would make X Factor look silly is that X Factor wants to be relevant and cool and 'important' - to make artists that are chart friendly; to make an impact. By any stretch of the imagination, Christopher is almost the dead opposite of what the show i supposedly about. He doesn't do cool, he doesn't even particularly try to do meaningful or relevant (which I'm kind of annoyed at Gary for, it's his job to push him). He's just a nice, old-school, cheesy singer with a smile on his face.

Again: this is fine and if you think that's the best kind of music, you are not wrong . . . there is no wrong when it comes to taste. When it comes to what's good for the show and what grows or damages the brand though, that's another matter entirely.

The relative failure of the X Factor winners in recent years (bar Little Mix) has damaged the brand. It's hard to take the pomposity seriously when the acts that go on to do the best are not necessarily the ones who're popular at the time. Why should people care who wins when the winner isn't that important? That's not Chris' fault, but if you ever wanted a standard bearer for the X Factor being out of touch and a bit pointless to vote in, this year has been it.
It's entirely the judges/producers fault who wins any of the shows.

They put the contestants through - there was way more talent out there in the girls category (remember that really pretty girl Melanie McCabe who was brilliant). IN the overs I'm pretty sure there were plenty that couldn't gone to judges house instead of the ones they took.
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Old 02-12-2012, 23:08
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I wonder how many of the people voting for Chris will buy his records though? People who like his style of singing already have a choice of much better singers. A debut album might have done ok if they had time to rush it out before xmas, but there isn't time. January/February is a bad time for record sales and nobody will remember who he is by March. He's no Leona, they can't afford to sit on it for 8 or 9 months and then knock out a top selling album.
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Old 02-12-2012, 23:18
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I wonder how many of the people voting for Chris will buy his records though? People who like his style of singing already have a choice of much better singers. A debut album might have done ok if they had time to rush it out before xmas, but there isn't time. January/February is a bad time for record sales and nobody will remember who he is by March. He's no Leona, they can't afford to sit on it for 8 or 9 months and then knock out a top selling album.
I'd imagine they'll do an album of mostly covers and try and turn it around as quickly as possible. It wouldn't surprise me if it sold quite well if they got the timing right.
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Old 02-12-2012, 23:22
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'Best' singer is entirely arguable, as the word means different things to different people. Technically he's probably not the best (as Gary has mentioned, he's had to unlearn a lot of mannerisms), but that arguable and besides the point - people don't bond to technicality, they bond to tone and feel.

Why it would make X Factor look silly is that X Factor wants to be relevant and cool and 'important' - to make artists that are chart friendly; to make an impact. By any stretch of the imagination, Christopher is almost the dead opposite of what the show i supposedly about. He doesn't do cool, he doesn't even particularly try to do meaningful or relevant (which I'm kind of annoyed at Gary for, it's his job to push him). He's just a nice, old-school, cheesy singer with a smile on his face.

Again: this is fine and if you think that's the best kind of music, you are not wrong . . . there is no wrong when it comes to taste. When it comes to what's good for the show and what grows or damages the brand though, that's another matter entirely.

The relative failure of the X Factor winners in recent years (bar Little Mix) has damaged the brand. It's hard to take the pomposity seriously when the acts that go on to do the best are not necessarily the ones who're popular at the time. Why should people care who wins when the winner isn't that important? That's not Chris' fault, but if you ever wanted a standard bearer for the X Factor being out of touch and a bit pointless to vote in, this year has been it.
BIB - if this were so then every act who was ever put through to the live shows would be credible potential popstars. The fact that we regularly have artists like Wagner, for example, put through to the lives suggests this isn't the case at all.
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Old 02-12-2012, 23:23
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I'd imagine they'll do an album of mostly covers and try and turn it around as quickly as possible. It wouldn't surprise me if it sold quite well if they got the timing right.
The right timing would mean it had to be out before the middle of December (if it's Chris. If one of the others won, there is potential to wait a few months and put out something really good). I don't think it's possible to get an album out quickly enough to make Chris a saleable artist.
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Old 02-12-2012, 23:27
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Votes often don't translate into record sales. That has been proven many many times by past winners. Chris might win, but don't be deluded that he is going to be Britain's next best thing.

I guess the problem with someone like Chris winning is that the credibility of the show does suffer. It is meant to find someone with the X Factor who goes on to sell millions of records.

I don't have the problem with Chris winning per se, if the winner gets a cash prize instead of a record deal.
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Old 02-12-2012, 23:29
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BIB - if this were so then every act who was ever put through to the live shows would be credible potential popstars. The fact that we regularly have artists like Wagner, for example, put through to the lives suggests this isn't the case at all.
That's the problem with the show: they ultimately want that product, but at the same time, they're a saturday night entertainment show and try to get a bit of drama, personality and variety in there.

It's a fine line to tread and, sometimes, they don't get to have their cake and eat it too.

Although it also should be said that I doubt there are enough really decent people to put through to the lives in the first place. It doesn't take long to notice the also-rans in most cases, although, like this year, there can be surprises.
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Old 02-12-2012, 23:37
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Don't let it get to you. There are a lot of sheep who will just follow the judges wherever they lead them without using their ears.

Despite what we are led to believe, Chris can sing and better than the other two in the final. He just isn't in the age bracket that the show really wants to win.
This is true. Although I think Jahmene has a better tone.
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