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Homeland on Ch4 (UK Pace) - No Spoilers! (Part 2)
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Andy-B
24-12-2012
We've seen that there is more than one CIA. Maybe the 'black-ops' people aren't too keen for CCTV footage to appear. But then someone was keen for Brody's suicide vid to appear ...

I think Dana is a very clever character - the only remotely sane, undamaged, even moral person, yet her age and experience makes her uncertain.
silver-storm
24-12-2012
I really enjoyed the last half hour or so. It was slow going up to then, and I kept thinking something must be going to happen, or there won't be much to go on for another series.

Wasn't expecting that car bomb though, right up to the moment they realised the car had been moved I didn't see it coming.

There are so many questions now going into S3 - who released the video? Who moved the car? What is Saul's involvement? (I really want him to be one of the good guys). Where's Quinn and was he involved? What going to happen between Carrie and Brody?

Great end to the series, can't wait for the next one
mintchocchip
24-12-2012
Can someone just please confirm for me, are we meant to presume that the explosion got Galvez?

Cack exit for him if so, after surviving what he survived.
mazzy50
24-12-2012
Originally Posted by silver-storm:
“I really enjoyed the last half hour or so. It was slow going up to then, and I kept thinking something must be going to happen, or there won't be much to go on for another series.

Wasn't expecting that car bomb though, right up to the moment they realised the car had been moved I didn't see it coming.

There are so many questions now going into S3 - who released the video? Who moved the car? What is Saul's involvement? (I really want him to be one of the good guys). Where's Quinn and was he involved? What going to happen between Carrie and Brody?

Great end to the series, can't wait for the next one”

BIB - the news report they showed stated that some terrorist faction (can't remember the name) had released the video and made a statement claiming responsibility - so I took this to mean others in Abu Nazir's organisation as they had a copy of the tape.
Ads
24-12-2012
Originally Posted by Gill P:
“If Brody was the one behind the bombing at Langley, why didn't HE have an escape route set up? No, it was Carrie who had that organised. That is why I am not sure that Brody was the bomber. Also, wouldn't they have CCTV overlooking the car park where Brody put his car? Surely that didn't get blown up in the explosion. If it is OK there will be footage of whoever moved the car.”

Homeland isn't exactly 100% realistic so there is no guarentee there will be any CCTV footage of who moved the car in Season 3 - whereas in real life I would have thought the whole complex would have been swamped by CCTV - plus no one would have been able to easily move a car right next to a building containing numerous VIPs.

However its worth letting them get away with their unrealistic stuff as it was a jaw dropping scene, and a great episode - yes Season 2 has been a bit up and down, but they did save the best episode for last.
JasonWatkins
24-12-2012
Originally Posted by Noiseboy:
“..hey she's a teenager who has killed someone..”

well, technically she didn't. but then that side-plot really went nowhere fast as well. was it specifically designed just to allow her to be angsty and whiny ?

thinking ahead, i suppose if they do string it out to a 4th season, I suppose the big cliffhanger ending of S3 will be that Carrie finds evidence that it was Brody after all and that, in fact, he is actually really Nazir's number two in the organisation and has been all along.

I know it will likely mean that any Season 4 will be a re-hash of Season 1 with Carrie being the only one who can see it (and, no doubt, being bug eyed and psychotic even more..) but I can't really think of any other directions they can go in.
Squiggle
24-12-2012
Originally Posted by mintchocchip:
“Can someone just please confirm for me, are we meant to presume that the explosion got Galvez?

Cack exit for him if so, after surviving what he survived.”

According to Executive Producer Alex Gansa, Galvez is among the dead.
Squiggle
24-12-2012
Originally Posted by Casmana:
“Still thinking back to Carrie at the service seated at one end of the room but anxiously looking back and across at Brody, eye signals between them then a nod from him, after which she quickly got up followed by him? For what reason ? Surely not just for a quick snog ?”


There's no conspiracy here. Turns out that she wanted to tell him her choice which was that she wanted to be with him plus make out. Lucky for Nick, (I mean Brody ) leaving the service saved their lives.
spaniel-lover
24-12-2012
Originally Posted by nomad2king:
“Strange that Carrie felt the need for a backup plan to escape at some point from the CIA.”

Yes, where did she get all that money???
spaniel-lover
24-12-2012
Originally Posted by KentLassie:
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I can't imagine how this can go on for 2-3 more series, however. It's going to turn into that series years ago in America ("The Fugitive") where a man was on the run, trying to prove his innocence when framed by "the one-armed man".....”

I thought that was a film starring Harrison Ford & Tommy Lee Jones.
Mark.
24-12-2012
Originally Posted by KentLassie:
“I can't imagine how this can go on for 2-3 more series, however. It's going to turn into that series years ago in America ("The Fugitive") where a man was on the run, trying to prove his innocence when framed by "the one-armed man".....”

I don't know...during the first season, I wondered how they could get a second out of it. Even when Brody didn't set the bomb off, it still wasn't clear how they would keep it fresh...but they did.

The third season looks like it'll be the opposite of the first - everyone convinced of Brody's guilt except Carrie, who will strive to prove his innocence, with the viewer given just enough to not know either way.
JasonWatkins
24-12-2012
Originally Posted by spaniel-lover:
“Yes, where did she get all that money???”

Could just have been stashed away over a number of years. I think it's somewhat of a 'tradition' for secret agents to have an emergency "escape" pack like that.

I suppose it's feasible as well in real life. I can certainly imagine agents needing to make rapid escapes in certain situations so fake documentation would be a necessity.
KentLassie
24-12-2012
Originally Posted by spaniel-lover:
“I thought that was a film starring Harrison Ford & Tommy Lee Jones.”

There may have been a movie but this was a tv series. From Wikipedia "The Fugitive is an American drama series created by Roy Huggins and produced by QM Productions and United Artists Television that aired on ABC from 1963 to 1967. David Janssen stars as Richard Kimble, a doctor who is falsely convicted of his wife's murder and given the death penalty. En route to death row, Kimble's train derails and crashes, allowing him to escape and begin a cross-country search for the real killer, a "one-armed man".

That took four years, so I suppose that Brody could go on the run for an equal length of time.....
poshnosh
24-12-2012
Originally Posted by spaniel-lover:
“I thought that was a film starring Harrison Ford & Tommy Lee Jones.”

Originally a 60s/70s TV series starring David Jansen (I think)
JasonWatkins
24-12-2012
you could always go a bit left-field and have Brody "turn" Carrie. He could use her psychosis to convince her the government are planning to kill him even though he's innocent and so she needs to help him strike back at them to "protect" him. she lied to cover up the murder of the VP, so it could certainly be feasible .. but "out there" as well ..
PES 2009
24-12-2012
Season 3 is set up to be like The Fugitive or Prison Break season 2.

Brody being pursued by Quinn through various states and countries.

Why does Carrie call Nicholas by his second name Brody?
catsitter
24-12-2012
Originally Posted by PES 2009:
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Why does Carrie call Nicholas by his second name Brody?”

Everyone calls him Brody, even his wife.
jediknight2k1
24-12-2012
An average season ended with an average closer.

It was like 60 minutes of family drama before anything happened as we watched his rather pointless family.

The who Dana sub-plot was pointless as Walden died.

Agents Quinn's mysterious daughter wasn't even bothered with so was another red herring.

Various plot craters left unanswered as usual.

Season 3 looks be Brody on the run while a fish eyed Carrie tries to prove his innocence. Hopefully we'll less of Dana as another of her teenage strop is just getting tedious.

At least Apple for some screen time with Saul's Iphone and his Ipad.
Virgil Tracy
24-12-2012
well the first bit wasn't very good , that agent suddenly deciding he won't kill for Estes was so convenient , but then the second half was brilliant , wasn't expecting that ! after the relentless anti-climax at the end of the first season this one suddenly has a whopper , plus the suicide bomber tape was brought back in to create even more havoc .

I was wondering how on earth they were gonna keep this going but now they have lots of stuff to deal with .
dirty dingus
24-12-2012
Big explosion

Carrie - Don't move you SOB.
Brody - wasn't me
Carrie - Ok then that's fine

More brilliant work by our bug-eyed agent.
Residents Fan
24-12-2012
Originally Posted by dirty dingus:
“Big explosion

Carrie - Don't move you SOB.
Brody - wasn't me
Carrie - Ok then that's fine

More brilliant work by our bug-eyed agent.”

Yes, dreadful. Carrie's starting to rival Maxwell Smart
as the worst secret agent on US TV.

And let's see-she's going to work at the CIA again despite
letting the most-wanted man on Earth get away?
Eraserhead
24-12-2012
Well for the first 45 minutes of that episode I was as bored as hell and wondering why on earth they bothered showing it...then bang!

Wasn't expecting that.

And Claire Danes really needs to ease up on the wide-eyed loon appearance. She's beginning to look like Margaret Thatcher's Spitting Image puppet.
Noiseboy
24-12-2012
The more I think about that last episode, the more impressive it seems. Just spent half an hour discussing it with Mrs Noiseboy and all the directions it could go in - ergo, it worked. And given how very average the previous few eps were, that's pretty impressive.

The basic premise of series 2 - as Alex Hansa says in the podcast here - http://www.grantland.com/blog/hollyw...eason-2-finale - was pimrarily about the relationship between Carrie and Brodie. It's a pretty simple dilemma - agent falls in love with suspect and is thus conflicted - but good fodder for drama. I really like the structure of the last ep, with that very slow burn beginning - pretty much no-one saw it coming. And such a good set up for 3, with Brody, Saul or neither all plausible suspects. And I really can't wait for the scene between Dana and Carrie.

Back in the fold.
the dourfla
24-12-2012
i think saul will get quinn to head up a team to hunt brody, and quinn will be like carrie from the opening credits ( blaming herself for not stopping an attack and won't let it happen again )
JasonWatkins
24-12-2012
Originally Posted by dirty dingus:
“Big explosion

Carrie - Don't move you SOB.
Brody - wasn't me
Carrie - Ok then that's fine

More brilliant work by our bug-eyed agent.”

Also..

Agent in Charge - Carrie, stand down. Do not go in.
Carrie - I'm going in
Agent in charge - Oh ok then
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