Hello Saylor!

Firstly it's great to see some Dana love in here, i thought she was a great character at the centre of this series, especially with her 'it was all simpler when you weren't around' (to paraphrase) outburst, for me she's encapsulated all of the confusion and bemusement combined with love and support that any returning father would engender in their kids after such a long time away (remember she'd never met her father 'properly' until he returned)....bear in mind as much as she has turned on him now she knows a lot about him that she hasn't repeated (buried Qurans and all that).
Overall i think this series dipped but ended well with the spectacular final episode, but i'm chuffing glad he's across the border for the moment because the continuing luuuurve interest does not, for me, a 'war on terror' epic make......i'm certainly looking forward to S3 though, because i never was one for super-analysing plot holes and details

I am way behind everyone on watching Homeland and tonight I got to the last episode of series 1 and was hoping that series 2 would be on more4 or some other 4 channel but it isnt anyone know when series 2 will be back on tv?

I think "the keys" will be key. As another poster mentioned he had the car keys in his right hand after he parked it up but after he shook hands with that officer the keys had gone.

I do find it incredible though that someone managed to dump a car in a car free zone without detection. Also someone has broadcast brody's old video to make it look like his confession for this attack. But of course Saul knows this isn't the case.

If series 3 is true to life it'll show that the CIA is as bent as a 9 pound note.

It could be, but it's the kind of scene / moment that could be easily ignored or be pivotal. You have the shot of Brody with the keys, then the next shot he's walking up the stairs - so there has been a passage of time. Putting your keys in your pocket would be a fairly reasonable way to spend that 30 seconds...

On the other hand (loving over-analysing this) the sound guys dubbed on foley of the keys being handled. They might well have done that anyway, but watching it back it was pretty high in the mix, so your eye is drawn to it. Given how imporant that car was, it's almost certainly intentional, so we can all have conversations like this for 12 months. In any case, they have their options wide open for S3.

BTW, also glad to see some Dana love.

BTW2, just in case folks mixed it, there's a great 1 hour post-finale interview podcast with Alex Hansa which addresses implausibility, how they write and work, and series 3 - http://espn.go.com/espnradio/grantla...yer?id=8753931

Good taste.

Thanks for that link Noiseboy ! An interesting interview.

So, who's going to watch Season 3 of Homeland? I think I won't, since I'm
fed up with the Brody storyline.

I shall be watching . How could you not ? Why give up just because you don't like a particular storyline ?
I don't like the Jess & Mike storyline but I don't begrugde them playing a part in Homeland.

Because when I started watching "Homeland", it was a serious
drama about American Intelligence and terrorism- it felt
like it was going to treat the CIA the way "The Wire" treated
the US Police or "Breaking Bad" the drugs trade.

Since the middle of Season 2, it's turned into a OTT love story about a terrorist in love with a screwed up CIA agent, with
implausible plotting that makes it impossible for me to
suspend my disbelief when watching.

As Tim Goodman put it in the "Hollywood Reporter":


http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/bas...-series-403112

There come a point in almost all US tv/cable drama where the worth of the show (in terms of making money) outweighs the original integrity of the creaters/writers; basically, regardless of plausibility/credibility you have to keep milking the cash cow. You see it here as well - Downton Abbey after S1 is a classic example. Obv. the BBC operates by a different set of rules.

It's come to be called 'jumping the shark'.

When the commercial imperative is in the mix, each member of the audience has to decide when they've had enough; most of us will do it at some point with Homeland.

When enough of the audience has left the show, it gets cancelled. No more milk.

Thanks for linking to that podcast with Alex Gansa. Confirmed quite a bit, surprising in a couple of respects and helpful to understand the thinking behind the Dana/hit-and-run storyline.

Are we all totally convinced that Brody is that which Saul explained to Carrie ?
If so we're back to who moved his car ?

I'll definitely watch season 3.
Even with the boring love story and the implausible bits, it's still a great story to me.
Also, it's a made up story so it's allowed to have wierd, not true to life bits.
( that's tv according to me)

I've got a lot of sympathy with the Hollywood Reporter review. I really liked the finale as a gripping piece of television, but the series has definitely changed from the real edge it had. I think I'll keep watching initially - there's always the hope that they'll reign it in, and flaws and all it's still usually well made and acted - but I can see me drifting off during the next season if they carry on down the road they were going.

Trouble is, they're kind of stuck now it has such a big audience. I know that if they slow it down, focus more on character and believability, some folks on this thread will decry it as boring before the first ad break. It's pretty much become a Bourne movie.

I'm looking forward to S3.

Wonder if Saul will keep Quinn on or will he be surplus to requirements ? After all he was an Estes choice ?

Homeland's problem is the same as that of other "hit" shows.

It's a one season story that, due to being tight and well made became a ratings (and therefor cash) hit.

It's a brave network that doesn't commission further seasons of such a show, and a braver set of writers that stick to their guns and refuse the commission in order to keep the integrity of their original story.

I'll be watching - definitely!
I think it's a great piece of Sunday night escapism - well-acted and with superb production.

i'm surprised so many people said they didn't see the explosion coming. I just saw that episode and could see it (or something equally dramatic) coming a mile off, the episode was too quiet (even for what has been a pretty quiet series.)

bit convenient that saul was elsewhere when that happened. I think theres an interesting back story to him that will perhaps be revealed in series 3.

another big clue as to whether or not brody took part in that attack willingly or not, was when he was talking to mike about him taking care of his family.

at one point he asked mike to take care of them "because I can't right now" the wording of that and how he said it seems significant. rather than just having general problems with the wife, like he knew something bad was going to happen to take him out of the picture for some time.

I think Saul is the mole. He was the only one who knew that confession was old thinking David, Brody and Carrie would die. Plus Saul really wanted Brody to not be killed by Quinn because if Brody was killed he could frame him.

adam_118 maybe a good idea for you to listen to the link given in post 480 if that's what you think.

Some people suggest Saul might be working for Mossad, who
would have different political interests from the CIA.

Golden Globe Winner - Best Drama, Best Actor for Damian Lewis and Best Actress for Claire Danes.

What a hat-trick. Well done!